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Could This Be Redlining?

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Real Estate Agent with Homequest Real Estate

 

 

  line   Redlining

  The practice of denying or increasing the costs of services (banking) to residents in certain areas.

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  Countrywide has notified Brokers that it has implemented new "Soft Market Categories" They(the categorys) range from 1-5. Depending on which category your area falls into determines your financing

  If you are in a category 4-5area you are considered to be the highest risk and your financing will be reduced 5%. In a 1-3? Well things are a bit better...yours will only be reduced if an appraisal review indicates any of the following situations:

  • Declining Market
  • Oversupply
  • Marketing time over 6 months

  Now you tell me...what are the chances of passing THAT acid test!

 

  In the 1930's areas were classified as "A" -top rated, "B"-still desirable,"C"-declining,"D"-most risky, as a result of these classifications those on the "lower end of the scale" experienced even lower property values, increased property abandonment  buildings and a decrease of population density.

  This was called Red-Lining and it was Illegal !

  A B C.....or.....1 2 3   Do you see a difference?  Am I naive, or will this only make things worse?

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  Here in New Hampshire only three counties have been rated (a 2) they are Hillsborough, Rockingham and Strafford. The remainder of the State is considered "safe"

  But in other areas of the country practically entire States have been rated "5". What are they to do???

  Sure looks like Red Lining to me!

 

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Joan Mirantz - Joni is a Realtor® with Homequest Real Estate, a locally owned, Customer Service oriented Firm.
Joan Publishes a monthly Newsletter "Food For Thought" under the pen name Realtor Sherpa.
(Joan also answers to Miz Maven and Miss Joni.)

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Having crossed over to the "other side of Middle Age" herself....Joan is an ongoing source of information about local programs, facilities and issues specific to her peers! 

 
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Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Marlene...this strikes me as an attitude that could spread to other Lenders and really do more damage than we are already experiancing!
Jan 26, 2008 01:23 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Cynthia...EXACTLY...see my comments to Amanda. This is just another example of the government trying to simplify a complicated situation by considering only the numbers...never the people!
Jan 26, 2008 01:27 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Carole when I get home I will see if the list shows "Long Island" as such!
Jan 26, 2008 01:28 AM
Amanda Evans
DFW Living - Fort Worth, TX
Real Estate Broker - Fort Worth Texas

Lenn's blog barely touched on it in the comments section and I included the info in my comment here.  I am sure with all of the fodder about it, she'll dedicate a blog post to the topic.  She's cool like that. :)

I haven't been able to confirm just yet whether the down payment is based on appraised value or the purchase price.  I've been digging up the answers to that question all morning.  The Washington Post piece states LTV, but I am finding contradictory information every time I click.  

Jan 26, 2008 01:31 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Amanda...just finished reading the Post article...Too bad they concentrated just on Washinton area. They are not alone!

I'm not sure which value they are basing decisions on but the decision was an "automatic" additional 5% in an area "5" and 5% if an appraisors opinion criteria(see post) said so in an area 4 

Jan 26, 2008 01:45 AM
Amanda Evans
DFW Living - Fort Worth, TX
Real Estate Broker - Fort Worth Texas
Fannie Mae Declining Market Guidelines
Jan 26, 2008 01:48 AM
Amanda Evans
DFW Living - Fort Worth, TX
Real Estate Broker - Fort Worth Texas

Joan, that was just one article of many pages on Google about declining markets.

Jan 26, 2008 01:53 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Amanda...this is very scary stuff!!!
Jan 26, 2008 01:56 AM
Stanton Homes
Stanton Homes - New Home Builder - Raleigh, NC
Design/Build Custom Home Builder in North Carolina

I wonder what the practice of the other banks is, or if this is something that will go away when Countrywide is taken over by B of A?

Jan 29, 2008 09:24 PM
Kent Simpson
Realty One Group Mountain Desert - Tucson, AZ
Real Estate Is About People
Joan - I smell lawsuits and countrywide sausage.  It seems every time I turn around, there's a big egg laid by this lender.
Jan 29, 2008 10:53 PM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Penny... check out Amandas links a little bit back. One was from the Washington Post and about USAA First Mortgage so it's more than one!

Jan 30, 2008 01:13 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Kent..countrywide sausage....I like that! I had a call yesterday from a Consumer Issues Law Firm asking about this Blog. I do believe they are going to look into it. People are watching!! For sure!!
Jan 30, 2008 01:16 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Joan, I got the CountryWide announcement because I am a mortgage broker on their list. I read it when I got it. I didn't consider it redlining, only prudence. If values are declining, they are trying to make sure that they are not going to over-encumber the property. My area is in category 4 so we are affected the most (4 and 5 are treated the same).

Bill Roberts

Jan 30, 2008 03:20 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire
Bill...I do understand your point. But on the other side of the coin the property owners also have an investment in question. In my opinion, Lenders encouraging "steerage" away from risky areas by penalizing buyers,are  furthur devaluing the property. It seems to me, in time, the fair market system would level the playing field all on its own....
Jan 30, 2008 05:55 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Joan, They aren't charging a higher rate like fire insurance companies do, they are simply allowing for declining prices in areas that have demonstrated softness in the market. Again, that is NOT REDLINING. And they aren't trying to steer anybody away from these areas. They are stll lending.

Bill Roberts

Bill Roberts

Jan 30, 2008 06:43 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Bill...this is the place for healthy discussion..correct?

I didn't say the Lenders were steering, but if I have a customer who is interested in like,all is equal properties and one is in a rated area and the other...not. Why would they even consider one that would automatically cost them 5% more? At present, properties in areas determined by the BUYERS to be less desirable are still getting attention they are just getting lower offers and the Buyers are determining their own risk!(and fate)

I think we are looking at this from two different perspectives..but aren't you also a Realtor?

Jan 30, 2008 07:58 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Joan, Yes, I've been a Realtor since 1975. I am not a fan of CountryWide as anybody who has followed my comments could attest. I think that they have to do this. In most cases it shouldn't affect you because your buyer will be looking at other houses within the same area. They are not differentiating by neighborhood, but rather by county.

Of all the things that you could go after CountryWide for, I don't think this is one of them.

Bill Roberts

BTW I could forward the announcement to you if you would like to have it.

Jan 30, 2008 10:45 AM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Bill...Sorry to keep you waiting...I'm doing a localism blog for the accountables group and Jo really keeps our feet to the fire!

Thank you for the offer...but I've seen it. And think it is terribly expansive !

They are not the only Lenders doing this Bill if you read the Washinton Post link above...USAA is doing it in that area. They are closing ranks...or the barn door,however you want to look at it!

Jan 30, 2008 11:01 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Joan, I think that you need to take a step back. Your area isn't affected to the same degree that mine is. I understand their motivation. It has been pretty well demonstrated this past year that when a homeowner gets upside down in their mortgage that they don't have a lot of incentive to keep the house, especially if they don't perceive that the price is going to come back anytime soon. So to loan money in this environment is risky at best and maybe even foolhardy.

All CountryWide wants to do is to make sure (as sure as they can) that the homeowner isn't going to bail on them.

High risk loans can be approached several ways: higher interest, PMI, bigger down payments. They simply chose bigger down payments.

Bill Roberts

Jan 30, 2008 12:21 PM
Joan Mirantz
Homequest Real Estate - Concord, NH
Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire

Bill...I think we need to agree to disagree..we could go around about this for hours. It's all a matter of perspective!

You see it at Prudence...I see it as painting everyone with the same brush!

Have a great nite...I'm sure I'll run into you again at Bil Cherrys

Jan 30, 2008 01:37 PM