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Measuring Up

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

When I take my kids to the amusement park there is one important sign they pay close attention to, the height gauge. You know the ones that are at the entrance of all the rides usually with the exception of the kiddie rides. The sign will say something like, you must X inches tall to ride. If you don't measure up, you can't ride. Or worse, you have to go on with mom or dad. No one wants to do that!

Measuring is fundamental to houses. Without measurement a house or for that matter just about anything could not be built. In a typical house, there are literally thousands of measurements that need to be made and checked during construction. It doesn't stop there, after construction when modifications are made, the same obviously applies.

Chimney

Part of the job of the home inspector is recognizing when measurements may be off. Some measurements have changed over time, like guardrail baluster spacing, while others have remained fairly constant. An example of this would be brick and mortar joints. Joints are typically about half an inch with standard modular bricks.

Ascending a roof recently, scaling the rear slope, my target of interest, the chimney, finally emerged above the ridge. At last seeing the structure, I was immediately struck by its compact design. Not that the chimney was mini, no it looked average size, it was the mortar joints or the almost lack there of.

Gaining height I now saw the top of the chimney was unfinished, lacking a cement covering or crown. These were sure signs that intense scrutiny was warranted.

Carefully walking back from this amateur built chimney, I saw yet another issue from the side view. The top of the chimney was barely higher than the roof ridge. Yet another sign of an unskilled person performing what was indisputably non permitted and un-inspected work.

Chimneys are required to conform to what is commonly known as the 2 - 3 - 10 rule. The requirement states that a chimney must be 3 feet above the roof and 2 feet above any part of the building within 10 feet of the chimney.

2 - 3 - 10 Diagram of Chimney

This particular chimney is three feet above the roof. Maybe this "mason" knew that much about the rule. However it is no where close to being two feet higher than the ridge. A quick measurement placed the chimney about 9 feet away from the peak and about 10 inches above. Not even close.

Because this house was older, over 100 years, I suspected the chimney had needed rebuilding. Once I entered the attic, I found out different.

New chimney Built on top of old chimneyThe second floor unit of this two family home had been renovated less than 10 years previous. Once in the attic I could see the roof and ceiling structure were newer. The roof had been raise to create a second floor apartment. When raising the roof, one must also raise the chimney.

Here was the original chimney top with the new chimney extension, for want of a better word, plopped on top. The masonry blocks have been hap hazardly placed, mimicking the poor brick work on the exterior.

Sometimes things just don't measure up to the rules, but also in quality. 

 

 

Posted by

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James,

There are some crazy things I have found when it comes to chimneys and the way the contractors installed them. Most don't "measure up". Then it's usually and issue where the transition of the interior flue takes place. Normally always not sealed properly if you can get a good look.

Have a good day in Connecticut.

Best, Clint McKie

Jan 01, 2014 09:51 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

Great catch James. Something that will reported and hopefully addressed. Your photos do wonders in explaining this post!

Jan 01, 2014 10:09 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Clint, Yep,that's another issue I see often as well.

Tom, Thanks. The great thing about this inspection was the buyer's agents husband is a home builder. She fully understood the issues with the chimney and was shaking her head in disbelief at the photos. 

Jan 01, 2014 10:30 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim that is pretty darn funny.  Love how the corbeling of the top of the original chimney is still in place

Jan 02, 2014 12:00 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Charlie, You like that, huh? Like I said, they plopped on top. 

Jan 02, 2014 01:14 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

It is quite complicated extending chimneys here in earthquake country---not usually worth the effort--and most people simply convert to gas appliances when possible.

Jan 02, 2014 02:51 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

This house was gas. The two boilers were of the same age as the renovation construction. I think they should of went direct vent and abandoned the old chimney. 

Jan 02, 2014 10:20 PM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

James, congrats on being such a thorough home inspector. I am going to assume your expertise level on other areas is as good as it is on chimneys. Nice work. Love your illustration.

Jan 02, 2014 10:50 PM
Juan Jimenez
A House on a Rock Home Inspections LLC - Richmond, VA
The Richmond Home Inspector

Nice job James. The sloppy work in homes doesn't seem to surprise me anymore.

Jan 03, 2014 12:27 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim, I am wondering if the 2/3/10 foot rule applies if it is no longer actually a "chimney" but is instead a "vent."

Jan 03, 2014 03:01 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Jon, Thanks. The photos do aid in getting the information across either in a blog or in the report.

Juan, I can say I surprised less often than I used to be :)

Charlie, Its still a masonry chimney, so I would say most definitely. 

Jan 03, 2014 06:34 AM
Anonymous
Integrity Home Inspections
I was at a Holiday party last week with friends. They had a fire going in a standard masonry brick fire place, firebrick as their fire box and a 36"-40" damper that they had fully open. I observed a constant draft coming down onto the open flames and the smoke was circling around prior to rising up the flue. They had a stainless steel cap on the 13" x 13"clay flue. ( I do have some thoughts as to what is happening) Any opinions ? Jim Fradette Integrity Home Inspections Connecticut
Jan 05, 2014 10:22 AM
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Jim,

I don't think the air is coming down the chimney. Sounds like turbulance entering the fireplace. http://woodheat.org/fireplace-tight-house.html

Jan 05, 2014 08:26 PM