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Blue Ink vs Red Tape a.k.a. FHA vs Subprime

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Education & Training with DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consultant

I've seen so many mixed opinions over the recurring strength that FHA Lending Programs are having and gaining in the current market and oddly to me as a veteran of HUD's programs the majority of those opinions are negative! 

It has always been my experience in the business that mortgage professionals are intimidated and annoyed by government lending programs and practices.  With easy money lying around in the sub-prime market why would they have extra disclosures signed and deal with specific appraisals and appraisers when they could just take the file elsewhere?  Well the idea that they could have made more money should have popped into their head first!  While remaining at a competitive market rate the average yield on an FHA loan is far higher than you could ever earn on a sub-prime loan.  (Check your rate sheets)

The chart below is statistical data as found in the Mortgage Bankers Association's Press Release dated March 6, 2008 from the National Delinquency Survey (NDS) titled "Delinquencies and Foreclosures in latest MBA National Delinquency Survey". 1

These statistics reflect information for the last quarter 2007.

 

Percent of Loans

Percent of Foreclosures
Started

Prime Fixed

65%

18%

Prime ARM

15%

20%

Sub-prime Fixed

6%

12.0%

Sub-prime ARM

7%

42%

FHA & VA

7%

8%

 

 

 

 

© 2008 Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA).  All rights reserved, except as explicitly granted

•1    This information is used with express permission from Mortgage Bankers Association.  To read the complete press release click here.  To learn more about MBA and their services please visit them on the web at http://www.mbaa.org/

Compare the percent of Outstanding Loans percentage for each category to the percent of Foreclosures Started for that category.  As we can clearly see the Sub-prime ARM has the highest percentage for foreclosures started and the second lowest percentage of outstandings.  It also shows that foreclosed government loans play only a small role in current national foreclosure levels. 

Here's why:

1.  FHA and VA Loans are full doc loans.  No Stated Programs for first-time qualifiers. (*FHA Streamline Refinances allow for streamline documentation for existing FHA Mortgagors with acceptable payment history.)  

2.  There are no Pre-Payment Penalties for FHA and VA loans.  This allows for conversions (refinances) to better terms should they exist without penalty to the borrower. (**Access to conversion without penalty facilitates more active borrowers which translate to more potential business.  This is good for you!)

3.  Rate resets for FHA and VA loans are lower than competing products. FHA raised caps from 1/5 (1 percent per year with a max increase of 5) to 2/6 when HUD Insurance Programs opened the door to more ARM products. (***Are higher CAPS actually good for the consumer with an FHA Product and does this type of change serve HUD's Housing ideology and mission?  What's your opinion?)  

FHA and HUD's Homeownership Ideology

I have seen posts and read blogs that admonish FHA as the "New Sub-prime" and believe that as an industry if we take advantage of FHA that we'll just be right back where we are in a few years and ultimately make things worse for ourselves in the long run.  "FHA the New Sub-prime Toilet", "Throwing Gasoline on the Fire:  Is There An Even Worse Subprime Disaster Around the Corner?"  

Well here's the skinny.  FHA was Never expected to have a low delinquency or foreclosure rate because it's designed to offer reasonable access to all borrowers, including those who might not qualify for other programs.  Its purpose and design is to stimulate Homeownership and as we all should know Homeownership and all those industries involved in creating and servicing Homeownership are economic indicators. 

In recent testimony FHA Commissioner Brian Montgomery stated:

"In Fiscal Year 2007," says Montgomery, "FHA provided loss mitigation support to 91,000 borrowers, 86,500 of whom then cured their defaults and stayed in their homes.

"While not every one of these borrowers will be successful in the long term, historically 89% of all borrowers who benefit from loss mitigation still have active loans two years after the assistance.

"This success is responsible in part for a reduction in both the number and percentage of FHA foreclosures, with the foreclosure rate dropping from a high of 1.74% of insured loans in FY 2004 to 1.45% in FY 2007."

So with the idea that FHA should not have low expectation in delinquency and foreclosure...Government Loans Lead the Way in Loss Mitigation and certainly have the lowest percentage of default.  Something must be working right!!

Ladies and Gentleman, in the current market and in future markets (as we can historically see) your attitude toward Government Loans has to change!  Educating yourself on FHA and VA programs will lead to nothing but more funded loans in your pipeline.  No they aren't the easiest, but were any programs easy when you first started them, and in the current state of the economy you just shouldn't expect an easy paycheck!

Chaz Ramirez is a DE Underwriter, HUD Title II Mortgage Application Consultant, and a Trainer.  For more information about me and my services please visit my ActiveRain profile.

Richard Lecinski
Long Realty Company - Oro Valley, AZ

GREAT post, I agree 100%  The stats are really good info.

Thanks

Mar 29, 2008 10:06 AM
Julie Hite
Guaranteed Home Mortgage Company, Inc. - West Bloomfield, MI

I have been hit hard by the MI companies decision March 3rd to require 20% for fico's under 620. This is the main reason why FHA is now a viable option for me. Fannie EA-Levels with MI were available. They are gone. FHA has always been a good program, but it will be better when they allow for 100% financing because it is needed badly. If our country as a whole suffers collectively on one thing it is-Lack of Savings.

Mar 29, 2008 01:21 PM
Aja DuBose-Brown
Avalar Real Estate - Secane, PA
FHA has been a God -send for my clients. Fha pays more attention to the payment history rather than placing their sole focus on the credit score. It is super difficult to get approved for a conventional loan. Your credit has to be impeccable. FHA is here to stay.
Mar 29, 2008 02:29 PM
Wendy Hodges
Re/Max Southern Shores - Myrtle Beach, SC
Davis & Hodges

After beginning my real estate career on the West coast.- normal American city- where 8 out of 10 loan were FHA or VA, I became used to the tough way of doing things. However, this kept buyers and sellers in check.

 After moving to a resort area, I never saw FHA for 2.5 years, and now it's beginning to surface. Now that agents are back to selling $200,000 properties and having to work versus take orders, they are up for anything- including government loans which will resurface strongly in the near future. These regulations only protect everyone -and it's a little more work, but still protects all in the end.This program allows those in need to purchase in a buyers market instead of paying an equal amount in rent. Great Programs!

Mar 29, 2008 02:30 PM
Tony Fantis
Fantis Group Real Estate - Salt Lake City, UT
Realtor,Principal Broker - Salt Lake City

I just closed on my personal home...with an FHA loan.  Two extra cool benefits:

1) The interest rate was lower than conventional 30 year rates.

2) The loan is assumable.  If rates go up, I can sell my house for more!

Thanks for the well-written post.  I agree.  Agents should take another long,hard look at FHA loans.  The pros can outweigh the cons. 

Mar 29, 2008 02:32 PM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI
Great food for thought Chad. I was sorry to see FHA all but disappear when sub prime came along. People had to actually qualify for that FHA loan.
Mar 29, 2008 03:26 PM
Sasha Miletic - Windsor Real Estate
RE/MAX Preferred Realty Ltd. - Windsor, ON
Thank you very much for the great post. You explained very clearly between FHA & conventional loan with stats.
Mar 29, 2008 03:57 PM
Ryan Case
Pacific Servicing - Temecula, CA
Fha loans seem much more difficult than conventional loans, but that could be because I have never seen one go smooth. Their requirements are tough, especially on bank owned homes which is the field I specialize in
Mar 29, 2008 05:07 PM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
Great post and congratulations on the feature. I don't think I've seen your name before. I am about to go check it out. Again, congrats. And it's very true. The amount of defaults are low. I think they need to reemerge on top.
Mar 29, 2008 05:13 PM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes
Ages ago we worked with a lot of FHA loans, but it has been only recently that we have seen them resurface as something buyers are wanting.
Mar 29, 2008 06:26 PM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Wow!  I want to start with saying how honored I am of the interest in my post and to be a Featured Post within less than 2 weeks of participation with AR!  I particularly want to thank Janet Guilbault the writer of the referenced post "Throwing Gasoline on the Fire:  Is There An Even Worse Subprime Disaster Around the Corner?"  who inspired this post.  Thanks Janet!  And now without this becoming too much like a rewards ceremony...responses!

D. - Glad I can be your Jazz!  Thanks for the comment.

Patti - Response reserved for need of space.  See below

Ebe - Thank you for the comment and your father was right the times and trends have changed.  Look at how we market ourselves now.  I do want to say however that in my professional world, I make sure that FHA and VA loans turn over just as quickly as conventional.  It almost always does take longer for most people but it shouldn't!!! 

Janet - Oddly, though I am in Atlanta, the majority of the work I do is on the west coast (I live in the Bay Area through "Association" if you will) and I know what those numbers and prices look like out there.  Fortunately now there will be a larger open market for FHA loans with the loan limit increases.  However, even if you never use it at home it's great to know these programs and their effects on our industry!  Thanks for all your great insight!

Peter - Thanks for the comment.  FHA is going to be a big player going forward but let's not forget the history and the impact it's already had on us.  Look for my future post "The FHA Today".  (After month end madness).

Stephen Graham - Everyone Steven makes a GREAT POINT!  This is the kind of Questions we should be pushing to the bureaucracy in these times!  My complete response will be below AND you'll also want to check out my future post, "The FHA Today". 

Daniel - Congrats on the closing and furthermore congrats on learning about the products!

Lynda - Thanks for the comment and kudos for being out there and continuing to be educated and re-educated in a changing world.  FHA definately is the 70's anymore.  Watch for my future post, "The FHA Today".  You'll probably take a good walk down memory lane with me on this one. 

 

Mar 30, 2008 04:02 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Jeff - Thank you for the comment.  I'm a fan of your posts!  You are right that so many people think that FHA is a fill in.  We have to remember that this is a business full of rookies who haven't been around long enough to now anything but the refi boom. 

Two responses:

1.  HEY!  I make a living on HUD Title II Approvals...we need those wet behind the ears brokers to call me!  LOL!

2.  As we may be aware the Mortgage Bankers Association has the highest level of influence on policy and policy makers in regards to our industry.  I use their data (and all the reports collect their data through different polling techniques) because it's the data that the government will review first.  Foreclosures are going to happen for 1 reason or another but let's remember that their is business in Foreclosure too!  REO, Title, Re-Sale.  It's not Armageddon.  We have to keep our eyes on the economy as a whole.  Not just one peice of it!

Mar 30, 2008 04:11 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Joe - I'm with Jeff and have to offer a corrective thought.  FHA is not sub-prime.  Three types of programs:  Conforming which includes conventional and Alt-A, Government which includes FHA and VA, and Sub-prime which includes Alt-A, sub-prime, sub-sub-prime, sub-sub-sub-prime, and sub-we'll just make something up that earns us a commission-prime.  Check with your lenders.  How many sub-prime lenders out their offer FHA/VA programs?  Fewer than you think.  And it's my opinion that all three programs will continue to live on.  Sub-prime's not gone.  It's just like flushing the toilet...the water goes Somewhere but eventually comes back!  And I have converted Many conventional loans to FHA due to increased salability through assumability and if there's MI to be had in a large number of cases FHA is cheaper.  But you are right that this won't always work!  Thanks for the comments! 

Mar 30, 2008 04:23 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

David - You make some excellent points.  Let's think about that time when the fed rate started to fall and housing starts skyrocketed.  What was the true result of the industry spike?  People spent their so called "non-performing" savingson housing down-payments because money was as you said virtually FREE.  Then what??  No liquidity in the credit or housing markets.  Hmmmm...seems rather reciprocal to me! 

The problem?  Spoiled consumers.  Ourselves not excluded.  It's hard to say no to free anything.  Especially money.  But what should we expect to happen to the rest of our financial picture in turn? 

Well if you demand less than 6% as the cost of money for the largest chunk of wealth you have.  Don't ask for a huge return on your 401k!  Ladies and gentleman the economy doesn't work that way! 

If we spend less on our largest investments our smaller ones certainly don't get bigger.  Think of the economy as a revolving door.  Performance in one sector certianly impacts the rest.  This is why it is of the utmost importance that we as members and performing professionals of an industry that is an economic indicator be aware of US Monetary Policy and the economy.  We have to be aware that what we do and how well we do it affects every one, every where, every day! 

If you take advantage of someone to get a better check...don't say a thing when you get to the gas pump or the grocery store the next day!

The starts failed because we spent more money than we had and it wasn't Sustainable!  Watch for a future post on Sustainable Living!!

Now I'll step off my soap box.  Thanks again for thinking in Real Terms and bringing up Real Questions Dave!

I'll get back to you on Loss Mitigation in the conventional market.  Not my forte or area of expertise but I'm sure I can get the numbers!

Mar 30, 2008 04:35 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX
Jeff - Semi-hijack all you want!  That's why we are here.  The exchange of knowledge!
Mar 30, 2008 04:36 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Lenn - What you wrote preterbs me.  Greatly!  I'm not sure how in any world and in any case an appraiser who is FHA Approved made a statement to you directly or through your mortgage professional that there needed to be any relative existing in government appraisals. 

Someone fed you a full BBQ size platter of BS!  I HATE IT and I'm so sorry. 

Everyone please read:  Appraisals are FEDERALLY REGULATED.  Federally.  Not locally.  USPAP (Uniform Standars of Professional Appraisal Practice)  The Appraisal Foundation is Authorized by Congress as the Source of Appraisal Standards and Appraiser Qualifications.

USPAP does not define Market Value but they do qualify Fair Market Value which is defined by law and accounting as:  The price a willing buyer would pay to a willing seller in a FREE MARKET aka FAIR MARKET.

If you would buy the house next door with conforming money for $340,000.  You'd better beleive that HUD's Ideology will demand that same price for FHA money.  Prior appraisals have NO influence, none what-so-ever on current market.  Don't let anyone tell you that!

If as an underwriter I caught this practice in a file on my desk...I'd honestly pursue having the appraiser disbarred from FHA transactions. 

BUT going back to your scenario experience and my gut tell me that the broker fed you the line because the purchase amount was too high for FHA Loan Limits and as opposed to accepting accountability for it...he pointed the finger at the next best victim which was the appraiser.   

This shouldn't be happening.  I'm sorry again and I hope it didn't ruin you on the idea of FHA loans. 

Mar 30, 2008 04:54 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Cree, Richard, and Bill - Thanks for the comments.  Best of luck to you!

Julie - Thank you for the comment.  Please see my comment to David Saks for my thoughts on savings and 100% financing for FHA.

Aja - You're preaching to the choir here!  Love to hear it.  Keep it up!

Wendy - Excellent points!

Tony - Exactly what I'm talking about!

Wayne - That whole giving money away without question thing never really settled with me.  I wouldn't lend my money to my mother without knowing she could pay it back.  Would anyone besides sub-prime lenders?  Thanks for the comment!

Mar 30, 2008 05:00 AM
Chaz Ramirez
DE Underwriter, VA Automatic Credit Underwriter, VA SAR, Six Sigma Green Belt, Trainer, HUD Title II Approval Consul... - Dallas, TX

Ryan - The only thing really different about an FHA Loan is the stacking order.  Honestly.  See my blog:  FHA's Mortgage Credit Analysis and what it means to You! for some helpful insight.  The more you know about them the easier it will become.  Promise!

Christy - Thanks for the comment.  I'm a newbie.  Only been with AR for 10 days.  Make sure you subscribe so you can be up to date with future posts! 

Ivan - Smart way to make some money without ripping someone off huh?  Keep it up! 

Bob and Caroline - Some of us give our age away by talking about the olden days.  Good to see that there are people out there who have been in the business long enough to remember!  Best of luck and thanks for the comment! 

Mar 30, 2008 05:07 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Chaz: I am so glad to have found you right at a time when I need desparately the expertise you have. Please continue to churn out these amazing posts that are so full of meat. Although I have been officially trained in FHA, you have really helped me to understand things it might have taken me years to discover on my own. I have read all of your posts, and will need to re-read them to absorb and practice your suggestions.

Every once in a while you find a gem in the Rain.  Please forgive me if I occasionaly suggest topics as I struggle through with all of the other Bay Area mortgage brokers who are waking up and smelling the FHA coffee.

You are wonderful, Atlanta Chaz!

 

Mar 30, 2008 03:48 PM
Stephen Graham
Inactive - Atlanta, GA
Chaz, my comment is a no-brainer, and thank you for high-lighting it.
Mar 31, 2008 08:37 AM