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Plumbing Clean Out Location - Is This Thinking Ahead?

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

On a pre-drywall inspection I noticed this plumbing clean out location - is this thinking ahead?

This is a two-level townhouse and you are looking at the lower level full bathroom.  It abuts the garage.

This will be the sink and the sink cabinet.

Here is what I pointed out.

The garage will have the thicker, fire-rated drywall and insulation will go here.

There will be drywall on the bathroom wall, and a cabinet placed for the sink.

This clean-out port needs to be accessible such that the cap can be unscrewed and a snake put in there by a plumber if necessary.

The arrangement of everything makes this clean-out location very difficult at best.  The hole exposing this port will have to be large and the insulation will have to be disrupted when this accommodating hole is created.  This larger, and probably uninsulated hole, will be exposed and inefficient. 

Fortunately the likelihood that it will ever be needed is minimal, but still, Murphy has a way of showing up at the most inconvenient times and in the most inconvenient locations!

My recommendation:  pre-drywall inspections are essential.  They are certainly a buyer Best Practice.  There were a number of things on this inspection that I brought to the attention of my client.  And listening to the supervisor's "explanation" and "verbal dance" was eye opening.  Now I know why most builders do not want the home inspector present along with the supervisor on a walk through!  And I don't have farmyard boots tall enough to get me through the manure anyway, so it's probably best that I don't listen to that stuff again!  I was shocked...

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(13)

Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

I have never seen this setup but then I am not an inspector. I never realized the importance of a pre-drywall inspection until you started posting.  Thanks!

Jul 22, 2014 10:08 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I have been doing pre-drywall inspections for about 15 years Gary.  Before then they weren't considered necessary.  Certainly the professionalism in the trades has deteriorated, in thinking and skill, and now such inspections are essential.

Jul 22, 2014 10:16 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

Good morning Jay,

As usual you help open our eyes to problems even in new builds.

Make yourself a great day.

Jul 22, 2014 10:18 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Many homeowners would not know what they were looking at....and there are builders who would prefer it stayed that way.

Jul 22, 2014 10:18 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Raymond - there weren't that many things in this house, as compared to some, but what I pointed out were important.  And the supervisor's follow up was comical.

That's the truth S&D.  Some builders make it impossible to do an inspection by demanding certain "criteria" that the home inspector bring (certs and such).  Once a builder said I could not make any comment on structural components unless I was a licensed engineer, and no comments on electrical or plumbing unless I had state certs in those areas.  What?

Jul 22, 2014 10:21 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Pre drywall inspections should be on everyone's radar if building a home.

Jul 23, 2014 12:56 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Ay Me Lord.

 

Jul 23, 2014 01:33 AM
Tom White
Franklin Homes Realty LLC (615) 495-0752 or www.FranklinHomesRealty.com - Franklin, TN
Franklin Homes Realty LLC, Franklin TN

Jay, you mentioned the supervisor's "explanation and verbal dance". We recently had a discussion with one of those fellows at a new construction home and hip boots were definitely required!!

Jul 23, 2014 02:30 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I'm going to post tomorrow about one of his comments Tom.   You will be amazed.

Jul 23, 2014 03:03 AM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Interesting Jay I would have never given it any thought. 

Jul 23, 2014 07:49 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, I see stuff like this and it makes my antenna go up James.

Jul 23, 2014 10:18 PM
Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate
John L Scott Market Center - Birkenfeld, OR
"Your Local Expert!" 503-739-3843

Jay, you could be a builder's/buyer's guru if you could only clone yourself. I know that you do some head-scratching while doing your inspections, or is it head shaking (as in back and forth)??

Jul 26, 2014 04:35 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This might not come off right Gayle, but I have wondered why builders have not contacted me, or home inspectors like me, to work for them.

Jul 26, 2014 04:48 AM