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Buying Next to a Landfill – No, I Am Not Kidding!

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Real Estate Agent with Eco-Steward Realty

An investor recently had me looking over a gorgeous 84 acre piece property on the French Broad River with views of both the river and mountains in the background. The whole thing has already received permission for a 65 unit subdivision with sellers ready and eager to make a deal. One BIG problem though, the property is across the road from the county landfill. ( Don't even ask why the county chose to site this within spitting distance of the river!) So now I have to find out just how bad is this going to be. My first impression of the landfill is pretty good because the entrance looks like a park. But of course I have to dig a little deeper than this (pun intended).

So I call the Western North Carolina Regional Air Quality Agency andtalk with a wonderful lady named Ashley who is more than happy to tell me everything I ever wanted to know about the local dump, er, I mean landfill.  I discover that the largest amount of pollution coming off the site is particulate matter caused by big machines pushing dirt around. No surprise here. Next biggest source of pollution is the VOC's, volatileorganic compounds. The site releases 3 tons of these a year. So I am thinking that this sounds like a lot of VOC's until Ashley  tells me that our local power plant release over a million tons a year.  Then I start doing a bit more research and discover that indoor air often has 2- 5 times more VOC's that outdoor air so this situation might not be as bad as I thought, although no pollution  with clean air is obviously the best scenario.  

Of course, my biggest concern aside from hazardous pollution is the SMELL. I inquire if there have been many complaints about this from neighbors. The answer is, not too many only 2-3 in the summertime. I am starting to feel better about this until I realize there are not a whole lot folks living close to the landfill at this time so 2-3 complaints might be skyrocket when more folks come, like about 150 in this subdivision.

But there is more positive info about the landfill. They have drilled holes down into the landfill and are capturing methane gas and burning off before it becomes in their terminology, a fugitive gas emission. Ashley tells me that this is something the site does not have to do until 2009  but they are voluntarily doing it now. End result, potentially less SMELL. A good thing.

But wait, the landfill has also won some awards for their Bioreactor Program. They basically capture water running through the landfill and recycle it back through again speeding up the decay of the organic debris. This also means the water does not leave the site and travel the very short distance to the French Broad River.

So now I am thinking this does not sound too bad. If I get a wind analysis study done of the prevailing winds around this site, this might just be a doable thing. We know folks that can help site homes that where these types of issues are mitigated to a large extent.

I am now ready to talk to my investor about this property when BAM, another deal with this investor that was supposedly dead has sprung back to life and this one is put on the back burner with a seller who is ready to deal.

So, if you are willing to take a chance on buying next to a progressive, somewhat green landfill  with a 65 planned unit development already approved with million dollar views of the French Broad and mountains behind her, give me a call!

Mark Flanders
Consulting - Silverdale, WA

"fugitive gas emission"

Don't you just hate it when those happen?

Feb 23, 2007 10:40 AM
ASHEVILLE REALTY REFERRAL RESOURCE 828-776-0779
REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK - Asheville, NC
CONTACT janeAnne365@gmail.com
Bill...you have outdone yourself on this one. This is a fabulous story and so informative. I hope you enetered it int prime time contest! THANKS!
Feb 23, 2007 11:57 AM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO

Mark:

I have been guilty of some of those FGE's myself, but it happens to the best of us. By the way I forgot to post the asking price for the property - 1.9 million.  Now how do I get this posted into the Primetime group?

Feb 23, 2007 12:53 PM
Dena Stevens
Rocky Mountain Realty - Canon City, CO
Putting The Real Into Realtor Since 2004
This is a good arguement for going back into the cities and fixing up older houses. They can have insulation added, windows replaced and rehabed. Why build new and next to a land fill when other good options exist?
Feb 23, 2007 02:50 PM
ASHEVILLE REALTY REFERRAL RESOURCE 828-776-0779
REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK - Asheville, NC
CONTACT janeAnne365@gmail.com

Right on, Dena!!!Let's get a BLOG from you on the subject of Infill Projects!

And Bill...maybe you could get a conservation trust to buy this property and make it into a park. Is it downwind from the dump? 

Prime Time...just look up Prime Time under"search" "groups" and then join the group, and them go to "edit" on your BLOG ...and select Prime Time...

This is such interesting reading
and I really like the photo!

Feb 24, 2007 12:43 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

Bill -

Excellent information about landfills and living spaces.  I see developments popping up in the strangest areas these days...

One thing that you may want to add to your investigative to-do list is FHA loan requirements.  I know that there are specific guidelines to how far away from flammable sources a structure can be, but I'm not sure if that pertains to methane gas.  FHA may also choose to contest a property in said development due to pollution (noise and odor).

As lenders create their own rules as they go, you may find bumps in the road with other instutitions as well.

Best of luck -

Sara

 

Feb 24, 2007 04:21 AM
Kelli Fronabarger
Bend River Realty Inc. - Bend, OR
Realtor - Bend Oregon

That was an interesting read....things are coming to mind now that I hadn't given much though to. Thanks for all the good information!

Feb 24, 2007 02:42 PM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO

Thanks Sara and Kelli:

The landfill has alot of buffered acreage is well away from the property. I think the wind analysis profile would give us the answers about the pollution and noise, so if that were a concern for a lending institution we would have plenty of answers. I might actually be going out there tomorrow so if I get any more information I will post it here.

Feb 25, 2007 04:29 AM
Corey Atherton
Suncadia Real Estate Sales Company - Cle Elum, WA
Just another day at the office, eh?  Nice work on this blog, Bill.  Very interesting.  Please keep us posted on any resulting sale of this property.  I'm sure a developer with enough creativity and marketing knowhow will come along and jump on this property any day. 
Feb 27, 2007 07:09 AM
Jeff Link
Asheville, NC
"Your Asheville Real Estate Link"
Even dumps need a good location. But in all seriousness back in 1997 where else were you going to find 550-acre's of cheap land.
Mar 02, 2007 06:14 AM
Tom Giansante
The Title Company of Jersey - Wildwood, NJ
Nice job on this post.  Maybe they can name the project "DumpTown Estates".   Although the best name for a former landfill that I have ever seen is an area west of Virginia Beach called "Mount Trashmore".  That's for real!
Mar 03, 2007 12:59 AM
Stefan Scholl
Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC - Petoskey, MI
Northern Michigan Real Estate

Sorry, folks, but since the topic has turned to fugitive gas emissions (FGE's):

Flatulence Grounds Plane

 

Mar 03, 2007 02:14 AM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO

Cory:

The property is already gone, most likely for around 1.9 million.

Mar 03, 2007 05:42 AM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO

Jeff:

The thing that gets me is that so much of our riverfront is filled with industrial or government usage. I know one day that will change as the demand for this type of property escalates. This one went for 1.9 million, right next to the landfill. That day may be coming sooner than we think!   

 

Mar 03, 2007 05:46 AM
Bill Westel
Eco-Steward Realty - Asheville, NC
ECO

Stefan:

Now I have to say I was at the landfill a couple of days ago to drop off some metal to recycle. There was no wind blowing and there were no FGE's that I could detect. But it is only the beginning of March.

Mar 03, 2007 05:48 AM
Jeff Link
Asheville, NC
"Your Asheville Real Estate Link"
One of the reasons all the junk yards and such was put on the river was flooding. The property was considerd useless. The fact that there was a train line running all the way down the river helped. Easier to get the scrap metal to market and supply the old Burlington mill.
They moved the train to the other side of the river but still use the old on as a spur line. Also Asheville is getting it's first Condo development on the river and it looks good. I will post when I have more information. There will be ECO construction involved.
                                                                                                                                                                                                           TOM: I remember watching 20/20 in the 80's and they did a segment on an old land fill converted to a ski slope. Also speaking of old dumps Reynolds Mountain now owns woodfins old dump, which was converted to a golf course. They will be developing the site along with changing traffic in woodfin. More to come on that also.
Mar 03, 2007 03:47 PM
Eric Blum
1-800-GOT-JUNK? - Yardley, PA
Franchise Partner - 1-800-GOT-JUNK?
About FGE's - The landfill I use has a methane recovery system, but there is still an aroma....great right after eating a big lunch....and hot summer days.
Mar 04, 2007 08:55 AM
Gloria and Jason Belmonte
Prudential Fox&Roach The Belmonte Group - Rising Sun, MD
www.cecilcountyhomesearch.com
A bit off the landfill spectrum, but not too far.... Not to far away, there is a mushroom farm. Have you ever smelled a mushroom farm. It is the worst smell in the world! When the temperature reaches anything over 70 it is really awful. Steam rolls off the piles of slop they tote out of this place. What gets us is that they built a few HUGE BRAND NEW HOMES right across the street. What is wrong with people? Whi would want to live there, without noseplugs????
Mar 04, 2007 09:27 AM