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Active Rain-How Important Are Points, Content, Comments and other things?

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Real Estate Agent with Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty

Active Rain Present and Future -One Member's Perspective

I learned blogging from Active Rain and try to give back what I know. If someone can learn what I did through trial and error,  Active Rain Growth it could save then a lot of time. Looking at some of these issues is the purpose of this post. I am not as active on Active Rain as I was before my "outside" blog was born. I try to stay connected to the community and the many friends here, by reading the blogs I subscribe to here and outside blogs discussing AR.

The other day Jay Thompson's post initiated an interesting discussion on Agentgenius about quality of content on AR and if and how it's connected to the point reward system. Make sure you read it, if you didn't have a chance. Today I read an excellent Rich Jacobson's post about what the the content could or should be, which as always, generated many opinions.

A lot of confusion about what AR could and should be may be could be resolved if members clearly understood several points, which took me some time to realize. I claim no "insider" knowledge, only my personal experience and what I learned on the "outside".  If I am mistaken, all clarifications and corrections are welcomed.

Importance of Points


There seems to be misunderstanding about  the importance of points for AR members. IMO AR points have nothing to do with Google, who does not know or care about them. In other words, if  your goal is to be found through Google, your points would not matter. The ability to be found has to do with key-word rich content which does not depend on points and and back links, which may or may not depend on points (see below).

I am not sure if consumers come to Active Rain main page to look for real estate information. My guess, it's not the case. If it was the case, having your picture prominently displayed (because of on the number of points), perhaps would be a benefit.

Some people say looking at the number of points helps them decide who to consider for referral. To me more important would be the quality  of the members' writing, not the number of points they have, which is not one and the same. Quantity could indicate a members' level of participation, which is important for some things, but again is not an indication of the quality of their writing or their expertise.

Understanding your Audience

Understanding who you are writing for is tied to the purpose of your blog.
As a member, your readers could be other members, consumers or both. There are many on AR for whom other members are their consumers, i.e coaching, blogging, staging, etc.

As a member you may have a business  goal for your blog or you may not. If you use this platform purely in a social way, any content that brings such social interaction seems a  fair game (provided it's within the community guidelines).

Having a "social part only" for such bloggers (not just groups) could solve the issue of diminishing value to consumers, since it won't be for consumers.

My guess (only a guess) most people are here for business, so the rest is related to business blogging.

Non real estate content

If you are an RE agent (the majority here) your business goals will influence your content. There are people who write personal or non-RE content as a way to built relationships with other members. They seek referrals and thus business.

This content could be useful for consumers as well, if they found the blogger based on his/her real estate posts and would like to know more about him/her.

Such content could also bring like-minded people/readers to the blog, not necessarily people looking for real estate. If a personal relationship is developed with such readers, it may eventually lead to business, but it would not be something in the short term. For example my post about best pizza in Princeton brings constant traffic to the blog, but not of people looking to buy/sell homes. It's important for new bloggers to understand this.

When consumers find this content on blogs through organic search, I can't see why it would diminish the value of the AR platform. If the consumers came to AR and saw lots of groups for recipes, etc., that may have an undesirable effect. The question becomes how to separate what individuals write on their blog, from the structure of the AR as seen by the consumer.

Real Estate Content


This content is what brings people to real estate related sites.
By having this content both  bloggers and AR benefit. The issue becomes interaction with other members, which so many on AR are looking for. If you write super local content do not count on many comments. It's not surprising, because mostly it's not an engaging story about your DOM being up or down.

If you are a new blogger with supper local RE content you may not be noticed on AR by other AR members. If your goal is to be noticed by consumers then it shouldn't matter. This though does not apply to "famous" bloggers on this platform who get comments no matter what they write, because of who they are.

The Importance of Comments

It could be hard seeing 100's of comments on some blogs and few or none on yours, but the number of comments do not measure the success of your blog, unless you are marketing your services to AR members or are looking for referrals
. Commenting and getting comments then becomes very important as away to engage with others on AR. This bring you back to deciding what is your blog goal and therefore what your content should be.

It could be also disappointing when you invest a lot of time to write something that could be of value to other members and your post doesn't get seen or commented on. If the focus of your blog is local RE,  and you don't get recognized for contributing your knowledge, don't view this a failure of your blog. There are many other factors that determine what's read and commented on.

Page Rank and Back Links


When I started on AR I did not understand the importance of back links. Back links are important to Google as a measure of your site's credibility. The more people link to you, the more important your site becomes in Google eyes. Commenting on other people blogs is one way to get back links, unless they are "no-follow" which many blogs now are. I am not sure if AR has no-follow, but the idea of commenting for links may not be all you think it is. Also linking to lesser ranking sites would not be a benefit.  If you are commenting because of these reasons and to accumulate points, you may want to double check your strategy.

Things Change

Blogging evolves and so does Active Rain. I recently had two posts deleted (never happened before) from the newbie group, which I thought had information which could have been helpful to me as a newbie. I won't post to this group again( unless I have a how to tutorial), although this post could also be useful for newbies).

When I started blogging on AR I used to get quite a few features, but it hasn't happened in a long while. Did I change my content? Perhaps, it became a bit more super RE local. My writing didn't change, the AR has changed. 

Second guessing these changes is counterproductive. This platform is offered to all of us for free, and everyone is free to chose if and how to participate. It would be harder, if not mpossible, to learn anywhere else what you can learn here.

Importance of Features

If your post is featured you get noticed by many, you could get many more comments and potentially important back links. Not counting the ego, these are all reasons why Features are important. I don't think they are important for your content being found by the consumers, as I said before, Google doesn't know about features or points. The exception is the visibility that Features brings and potentially a higher page rank for the post. For example, one of my posts has page rank 5, where my blog has page rank 3.  The post was titled in jest " how to buy without a realtor", and I am getting a constant stream of traffic of people looking for how to avoid using a realtor. It was was not my intent.

Bloggosphere is Rife With "Passion"

When people object to some heated discussions on AR, they should realize that it's an incredible mild version of the rest of the RE.Net. I am not speaking of sites that engage in "reator lynching" -I just don't go there. These are just samples here and here of the "passionate" discussions taking place on respected sites in the last several days.

If and when consumers come to Active Rain, and when it's becomes recognized by other bloggers as a community with top quality content, the passion and sometimes ugliness would be more present here then now. AR owners and members have to think whether they want and welcome such changes.

Mary Strang
Viroqua, WI

FYI: Your V Flyer is distorting your blog, it is making the side bar larger. Back to you post, great point, no pun intended!

May 14, 2008 12:42 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

I don't think points matter so much other than being a featured member for branding purposes.  The content and comments and backlinks to. 

As John mentioned, it's the super boring market reports that drives the consumer base to you.  The member's only posts which generate comments are effective if you reciprocate (from what I understand) and I have been BAD with that lately.

May 14, 2008 12:55 AM
Anonymous
Kathy McGraw

Hi Faina- I'm not signed in I guess, but wanted to comment.  We all learn as we go, and from Day 2 you have been very clear on how you wanted to use your Blog.  Day 1 you were lost LOL :)  Now as far as my blog goes.....I don't write Market Reports or DOM's.....I don't want to be the #1 Agent, and can only handle so much business....I have gotten business from my AR Blog, and I have given business to people I have met here.....so for me I have a successful Blog. I just took the word consumer out, and everyone is the same, and if I can meet a need someone has so be it.....

I enjoyed this read, and actually read every word.  I hope all is well with you, and I love the look of your outside blog :)

May 14, 2008 03:25 AM
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Jessica Horton Jessica Horton Realty
Jessica Horton - Jessica Horton & Associates - Griffin, GA
Jessica Horton: I'm not #1... You Are!

Faina:

Very well put together.  Awesome job!

Points mean very little to me.  I could easily be at 140,000 - 150,000 if I hadn't (re)moved a lot of my content for various reasons. They could yank them tomorrow and I wouldn't care.  I would still continue to write here.  Obviously, they do mean something or they wouldn't have done the April Fool's day joke about doing away with them.  You don't tease unless you know it will have a certain effect. 

I think points are to drive ego and encourage repeat and constant follow up.  Competition is a good thing.  It can also be a bad thing when you lose sight of why you write.  Real estate agents are very egotistic and competitive in my opinion, myself included and at the top of the list (I am working on it because life has a way of teaching you humility...genuine or enforced). 

Points serve their purpose for Active Rain the business.  And it is a business that wants to make money...we just lose sight of that sometimes.  So, I view the points as a double edged sword. 

Comments are important to me.  They help me grow and challenge how I think.  I would like to think that mine do the same for others.  They also provide me with a way to interact with peers around the country and to grow my business.  I'm not SEO driven...I'm more relationship driven.  Not here to debate which is better because the answer is both.  Really just depends on the person and their goals/needs.

I really believe that Active Rain is at a very unique fork in the road.  It needs to decide who and what it is and if it wants to be that.  Social Network or Real Estate Network.  Yes, it can be both but their will always be the drama with it doing that.  Of course, that is good for business too (time spent on site).  People tune in!  Selling the drama.  Any good marketer is guilty of that.  Myself included.

Anyways, just my 2 cents.  Hope you are having a wonderful week.

Thank you for such a great post.

May 14, 2008 04:25 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Fiana...

Well. I am by no means a SEO expert but I am an expert when it comes to AR. I have been here since the earliest days of AR. I have seen every point/comment battle you could imagine. I agree with most of what Jessica Horton has said. The points are a double edged sword and sometimes do in fact drive egos instead of content. One of the problems I do have with the point system is that it does not give accurate info to the Consumer. A good example of that is someone who is #1 in their area but have only sold one house in 5 years. That is not fair to the Consumer. And don't think for one moment the Consumer is not here. They most certainly are. We get emails from BB's Blog all the time. When the Consumer finds AR I really wish there was a way for them to establish whether or not that #1 position has any merit to it. I could go on and on but I won't. Instead I'll change the subject :)

I have had many of my relevant posts deleted from the New Member group as well. The deletion of these posts appears to be a bit ego driven...I think it would also help if they would stop changing group rules and not telling us about it :)

P.S. Do you have a band aid? I just fell off my soap box :)

TLW...ROAR!

May 14, 2008 04:52 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

TLW - I have band aids -with all the kids, I have to:) You have a way with words, that leaves very little for me to add:) I know the consumers come to AR, because they come to my blog. But IMHO they don't come here because of anyone's points  (unless I am shown otherwise). Consumers are looking for information and that's how our posts are found. The information could be pizza, or it could be a "beautiful house on a cul-de -sac in Princeton".

I was contacted (through this blog) by the descendants of a person who 250 years ago owned the house I was marketing. They unfortunately could not afford to buy it now, but were greateful for my write up about the house. My point -it's the content, not the points that brings the consumers.

Did I say, I have nothing to add? OK, just one more thing. #1 does not equal quality blog, or quality professional. It shows they have a lot of points, which means a lot of posts and/or comments. In the ideal world it would show extensive participation in the network, but I can't even say that is the case. I don't think I ever heard from the person with the most points. I wasn't sure if that blog belonged to a "live" person.

Since my start here, I chose not to waste spend energy on things I can't control, or get involved in negativity and second guessing. I don't know why the newbie group deletes posts that could have been helpful to newbies, and I am not going to do big investigations to find out. I don't have time for that. I just don't post there anymore. Easy.

I just fell off my box, but will be back for the next comment:) Thanks for your input.

May 14, 2008 05:38 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Jessica- I can't agree more with you about the points. AR is a business and the owners of this business could and should run it the way they see fit. For most businesses this means becoming profitable at some time. If points get more people to participate on AR, and that's what's needed for future AR's profitability, then it's a smart business decision.

Your 2c they speak volumes and I am in agreement with on all counts. (Don't tell anyone -it doesn't happen often:)) Thanks so much for bringing your point of view. These kinds of comments are worth the points awarded:)

May 14, 2008 05:52 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Maureen - you say "A lot of the comments on ActiveRain are NOT conversation about the topic but are just "attaboys" and chat. Running up the comment count helps egos but it is often boring reading."

For some people chatting is a business strategy for their blog- this is how some develop relationships and through such relationships business referrals. It may not always elevate the discourse on the state of affairs in real estate, but it helps these bloggers grow their business. If they grow their business through recipes, or "attaboys" comments, I would say -good for them:)

The challenge, like I said in the post, becomes in separating the content of individual bloggers from the structure and perception the Active Rain company wants to have on the Net and in the Marketplace.

May 14, 2008 06:02 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Kathy - thanks, friend. I said in my response to Maureen, definition of the success of the blog depends on the bloggers' goal. Getting to that goal, could be through various roads. Another point to realise - the same strategy, which works great for one blogger (for example getting referrals from others), may not work for someone else. The reasons could be numerous. The bottom line for the bloggers -if it's not broken, don't fix it. For AR as a company, it's something to ponder.

May 14, 2008 06:55 AM
Lisa Broadwater
Cascade Sotheby's International Realty - Sisters, OR
GRI, CDPE - Bend, Sisters, Tumalo, Redmond

Faina, A great post--lots of food for thought for this AR neophyte, who has mixed feelings about points, especially as they relate to Localism.

May 14, 2008 07:09 AM
Mesa, Arizona Real Estate Mesa Arizona Realtor
Homes Arizona Real Estate LLC - Mesa, AZ
AzLadyInRed

Faina, what a great - and informative - post and back and forth conversation. I, like you, no longer write as many posts on the Rain. I do like, however, to stop by for a visit with my AR friends - and continue to comment and to learn. My focus on posts is now more about localism........I really thought this was great! Thanks for the indepth discussion. Will jump over to Jay's post as well. I know he feels pretty much the same way. ;-)

BTW? I, too, was deleted from the Newbie Group with a post full of step by step instructions on what I'd learned on AR. A featured post no less. I no longer post to that group anymore either.

I have two outside blogs. How can I tell how many backlinks I am getting?

See you on Twitter....;-)

Pepper

May 14, 2008 07:32 AM
Terrie Leighton
Ferrari-Lund Real Estate - Reno, NV
Reno Real Estate Agent ~ Selling Homes in Reno

Thank you so much for this well written and comprehensive post on points. We all have different strategies and reasons for blooging on AR. This was very helpful to me.

May 14, 2008 08:04 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks for your information.  I am new to AR & I already can't stand how much personal crap is on the site.  I only read & blog professional information & I hope all that doesn't get watered down.

May 14, 2008 10:44 AM
#73
Nathan Gaier
Hallmark Home Mortgage - Fort Wayne, IN
Northeast Indiananulls Mortgage Team

Sorry, I left a comment & didn't realize my name wasn't on it because I had signed out.  Thanks again for your professional content.

May 14, 2008 10:48 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Lisa - you will find your wasy with time. It takes a while, hopefully this post could make it easier.

John -yes, don't expect too many comments on market reports. Market reports are not about points:)

Teri E- e-mail or call, I would be glad to share more about back links.

Terrie L. - I am glad you found this post useful. Thanks for your comment.

Nathan - choose what you read and what you write. It's all up to the individual. As long as you know your goal, you would do great.

Renee -I used to make lots of 20-50 comments a day. I have not been that active in a while. When I write now, I don't get as many comments as before, which is totaly understandable.

 

May 14, 2008 01:33 PM
Brian Block
RE/MAX Allegiance, Managing Broker/Branch Vice President - McLean, VA
Northern Virginia & D.C. Real Estate

Faina, these are some well-thought out ideas about Active Rain, blogging and the direction that things have gone and are going around here.  While points, comments, etc. are fun, and can be a useful measure internally among the members, the main goal for many is attracting consumer views which certainly happens through good real estate content.

May 14, 2008 11:19 PM
Lisa Lambert
The Law Offices of Elisabeth A. Lambert - Fresno, CA
Esq. 1031 Exchange Expert

Faina:

Excellent post with some very good tips and pointers. Just a note, the link to Rich Jacobsen's post is not working.

May 15, 2008 04:30 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Brian - you and I think alike. It takes time for the ideas and thinking to evolve. Thanks, friend for stopping by here.

May 15, 2008 04:50 AM
Faina Sechzer
Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty - Princeton, NJ
Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ

Brian - you and I think alike. It takes time for the ideas and thinking to evolve. Thanks, friend for stopping by here.

May 15, 2008 04:50 AM
Dione Sage
Nova Home Loans - Gilbert, AZ

I enjoyed this post and the comments that it generated. It is always nice to read everyones views. My personal view is...Every little bit helps and if its enjoyable (which participating in AR is for me) then that makes it worth it. I have read great informational posts and some just funny ones to brighten up my day. I wish you the best of luck Faina.

May 22, 2008 06:15 AM