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Real Estate Technology with Guardant Investments, Inc. BRE# 00592120

Recently I originated a loan referred to me from a long term past client.  I reviewed their w-2 forms, recent pay check stubs and bank statements.  Then I pulled a three bureau credit report and then ran a FNMA DU approval to provide him and his agent a pre-qualification letter for the purpose of negotiation. So far, so good and normal procedure.

A few days later I was speaking with my client and he made the comment "I am really amazed by the lack of privacy and confidentiality in your business".  Somewhat taken aback I asked what he was talking about?  He proceeded to explain that he had two lenders contact him and said they could give him a better "Deal" without, I might add, even knowing the product, rate, term or costs I had provided.  ( I consider the word "Deal" as repugnant as if we are talking about buying a used car, not a professional financial transaction).

Alas, this was partially my mistake in my clients education of the loan process as this was not the first time this has happened recently.  Four months ago I had a client call me saying that someone contacted him telling him they were working with ME and my title company seeking to get him the best loan and not to do anything until he ran it by them.   I of course contacted my title company representative, T.O. and one of the owners attempting to get to the responsible party in order to strangle them.  I/we could not determine the answer.

Again, three months ago I had the same situation with a 20 year past client who 3 days after opening a loan with me said he had an overnight package at his house with a cover letter saying not to do anything until he contacted them. This time, trying to get to the source of this problem I contacted the owner of the credit bureau I use who explained to me that the Credit Bureau's (probably Experian) were selling this information.  He had personally tried to put a stop to this practice but to no avail ....it is legal.

Can you imagine with all we have to go through regarding privacy and confidentiality that these pond dwelling,scum sucking, low life *&%#@!*& are able to get away with this as standard business practice?. Fortunately these particular clients were all professionals and were not duped by these clowns. I consider this an unethical, disgusting and reprehensible business practice.  I won't mention names but some of the branches of their tree must be broken!

This is apparently not an isolated incident So now I am making it a part of my presentation to explain how some entirely unethical companies who do not have the ability to honestly develop business relationships will attempt to contact you, con, lie and misrepresent facts even though they will appear knowledgeable as they will have your credit report and FICO scores. Unfortunately some of the public will be duped.  I know the honest loan officer,if not both, may be damaged.   Be Careful out there!!!

Anyone else, loan officer or agent aware or run into any similar situations?

Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

The credit bureaus do sell this information when someone makes an inquiry, especially for a mortgage. Your best protection is to always warn your clients of this practice.

Jun 29, 2008 05:44 AM
Yvette Chisholm
Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc. - Rockville, MD
Associate Broker - Rockville, MD 301-758-9500

Agreed, it is unfortunate that there is not more regulation controlling this...but they are getting the leads from the credit bureaus.

Jun 29, 2008 05:49 AM
Paul W. Thompson
Homestreet Bank - Vancouver, WA
Going Above and Beyond...

As unethical and slimy as this sounds, it is legal.   If I were you, I would warn your clients that they will be receiving phone calls from competitors because the tri-bureaus do sell the FICO scores to companies who wish to purchase these.  They are called "trigger leads", and there is a way for your clients to opt out of those.     It takes about 10 business days for it to occur to where the client will not receive these solications, but they can request to "opt out" of these, and I would go by the saying, "forewarned is forearmed".   

I have had this happen to me before also.  Just give your clients a  heads up that they will start receiving all of these solicitations and phone calls from all of these places because the inquiries will "trigger" an onslaught of soliciations from companies purchasing these leads.  QuickenLoans is notorious for this.

 

Good luck to you.

 

Paul Thompson

Mortgage Consultant

Wells Fargo Home Mortgage

Vancouver, WA

Jun 29, 2008 05:57 AM
Bryan King
Ascent Home Loans - Simpsonville, SC

This practice is legal, however, I believe it to be extremely unethical.  Since there is no way to stop it, it is best to let your customer know about the "trigger leads" in advance.  That way they can just dispose of them as they come along.

Good Luck!

Jun 29, 2008 06:02 AM
Shaun Wren
AGENTFORLIFE - Lakeland, FL

I had it happen to me also. Package in the mail too. I asked my customer to show me the gfe. There were 2000. more in fees and 1/8th higher rate.  

Jun 29, 2008 06:13 AM
Matthew Zgonc
Aksland Real Estate - Modesto, CA
Realtor, CFS, CVS

It is insane that this practice is allowed to occur. Education of the consumer is the only way to thwart this kind of conspiracy.

Jun 29, 2008 07:16 AM
* Rate A Home
Rate A Home - Saugatuck, MI

Keith, sounds like a little Ethics 101 is needed for some of these people.

Jun 30, 2008 01:21 AM
Chip Jefferson
Gibbs Realty and Auction Company - Columbia, SC

This is outrageous. The credit reporting companies should be the ones governed most of all under the Privacy Act, instead they have open range selling personal information.

Jun 30, 2008 01:33 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

It's happened to me too!  These "trigger leads" should be illegal, but they are not.  Just another way that the credit bureaus violate the spirit, if not the letter of the law, on a daily basis!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.

Jun 30, 2008 03:24 AM