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The Jurat vs. the Attorney-In-Fact

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Renee A. Kovacs NSA Services

The whole  issue of the use of Powers of Attorney - as it pertains to notarizing sworn statements and also to real estate loan signings - is certainly full of gray areas.  For any one opinion, an equal and opposite opinion can easily be had (from both lay people and attorneys).  I have not seen (though it might exist) any state with statutes spelling anything out.  All the state statutes I have read (and I've read more than I ever dreamed I could stay awake through) simply leave the issue void of clear definition, forcing us towards assumptions.

Statutes are written by attorneys, and I don't for a minute think that this void was unintentional.

If we go back to the facts that we know are solid, I think it becomes easier.  The solid facts are:

  • It takes a law degree to legally define, interpret or advise anyone of the law.

 

  • I notarize signatures, not documents.  A notarization on a document does NOT render the document itself ‘legal'.

 

  • POA's (generally) do contain verbiage specifically stating that the Principle is providing the power to the AIF to make sworn statements of known fact - not that it's my jurisdiction to interpret that to be legal or not legal.  The AIF has a fiduciary responsibility to the Principle, the onus is on them.

 

  • The Affidavits typically involved in a RE transaction contain statements of fact that an AIF could reasonably know.  I would not notarize an AIF swearing to something they couldn't reasonably or possibly know - such as a statement of facts regarding a murder witnessed by the Principle.

 Minus a law degree, I am not qualified to make these determinations.  I identify the signer, I ensure that they sign with appropriate representation of that identity (clearly as the AIF of the Principle), and my notarial cert will properly reflect that it was the AIF and NOT the Principle who swore under oath, who was identified, and who signed.

So - if I present a Name Affidavit for Jane Doe to John Doe, her AIF, and it contains a jurat, I explain what the document is requiring and if John Doe, AIF decides to swear under oath that the name variants presented are, indeed, statements of fact for Jane - I contend that:

  •  it is John/AIF's decision to make and his oath to provide I
  •  find these to be reasonable facts for the AIF to know  
  •  It is the decision of the Lender, Title/Settlement Agent or other receiver to accept the Affidavit
  •  my only decision is to accept his affirmation under oath, witness his signature, and ensure my   certificate  properly reflects his identity. 
  • Should the document ever become a court issue, I am comfortable with my actions - and in my avoidance of UPL.

I have also had  experience as an Attorney-in-Fact, in regards to a real estate transaction (sale of a home).  The Owner's Affidavit was signed as AIF, and there were no questions regarding this - other than the need for this sworn statement to be signed, and the jurat to be completed.  A quick round on Google will further illustrate that sworn statements are being given by AIF's in myriad industries as a matter of course.  Whether or not there is a legal difference between a corporate Principle and an individual Principle is way beyond my scope.

Unless & until I can read a statute clearly defining the notarial duties regarding this, I refrain from making this my decision.  I would be THRILLED to hear from anyone with a reference to a statute (from any jurisdiction, at least it would be a start) or even case law (which I promise not to interpret!) specific to this.

 

Comments(4)

Lisa Kimmel
Central Wisconsin Notary - Stevens Point, WI
Mobile Loan Closer - Notary

Nice Blog Renee!!

I would like to see both sides of this issue discussed.  If you have had experience as a Notary in POA Closings, what do you do?  And please explain how you came to your answer.  Is it your Notary Laws, was it something a lawyer told you, did you research to come to a conclusion, etc......

Nov 10, 2008 02:54 AM
Renee Kovacs
Renee A. Kovacs NSA Services - Northville, MI

Thanks, Lisa.  So far all I have to go on is a 'casserole' of opinions & experiences from all over - the ONLY thing lacking is a definitive citation of an actual statute.  I'm beginning to think that nothing exists other than opinion, legal & otherwise.  My procedures & decisions thus far are the result of considering all the information I've been able to find, weighing the risks to each possible solution and kicking in with my own sense of logic  - I'm not one to act arbitrarily. 

When I do a real estate signing involving the use of a POA, I follow this procedure for the jurats:

Me:  "This is a sworn statement.  If you can and wish to attest to the truthfulness of this document (pertaining to the particular document), and wish to sign this as Joe Blow's AIF, I will put you under oath."

Them: "Um, yeah, ok." (Compiled para-phrase!)

They sign AS Joe Blow's AIF (of course) and my cert clearly states the AIF's NAME, and not Joe Blow.  Since I can not (MI) certify as to capacity, I do not include the capacity of AIF in my cert.

The only documents I've commonly encountered with jurats are the Owner's Affidavit, Name Affidavit, and sometimes the Compliance Affidavit.  I have not yet encountered a document that contains statements that the AIF's couldn't reasonably know as truthful or not truthful, so I have not had reservations about this ... yet.  99% of the AIF's are the spouse of the Principle - a reasonable assumption could be made that your spouse knows most of the same stuff you do.

Again - if ever I encounted a situation where I could not REASONABLY expect the AIF to know the truthfulness of a document (as in my example above, where the PRINCIPLE witnessed a murder, but the AIF was signing attesting to what was witnessed), then I would have my own reservations and would refuse to notarize based on that.

Nov 10, 2008 03:33 AM
Lisa Kimmel
Central Wisconsin Notary - Stevens Point, WI
Mobile Loan Closer - Notary

I'll give you a particular situation I just recently had.  I was to have a few docs signed by an AIF for her brother on his property.  It was an Owners Affidavit.  As we all know, the Owners Aff might and most of the time needs to be filled out properly by the person signing.  It contains questions and by law, those questions have to be answered as truthfully as possible.  Then the oath is taken.  This AIF couldnt answer the questions on the form.  But the principal would have been able to answer them.  So it was conclusive to me, she could not go under oath and swear to the contents of the document.

Nov 10, 2008 03:46 AM
Renee Kovacs
Renee A. Kovacs NSA Services - Northville, MI

The Owner's Affidavit can get sticky, but I have had AIF's decide to notate the items they could not answer, rather than not signing at all.  Owner's Affidavits tend to include a LOT of statements of fact - some that could possibly be answered, some that maybe couldn't.  My point is - it's their call, not mine.  If I make it my call - without the power of a statute behind me - then my own opinion is that I've entered the UPL zone.

They would likely know, for example, whether or not the property was used only as a residence, whether or not the Principle is married or not, of legal age or not, or engaged in business at that property.  They might/might not know about major improvements, other parties on title, etc.

It's THEIR fiduciary duty to the Principle to use their power wisely, their duty to uphold the law when placed under oath, their duty to truthfully identify themselves to me and MY duty to ensure they are who they say they are, that they affirm their sworn statement, and that I properly reflect who it was that stood before me and did all that.

This is one of those things that, once it's repeated enough times, people file it away under "conventional wisdom" and stop questioning it.  I'm questioning it - and can't find an answer (an actual LAW, not an opinion).  We hear all the time "AIF's can't sign jurats on behalf of the Principle."  I'm looking for the LAW that prohibits this, and can't find anything.  What I do find are jurats on Affidavits signed by AIF's all over the place.  Interestingly, the ONLY thing I find saying this isn't allowed are OTHER notaries, or notary blogs, or notaries saying this attorney said that, etc.  If you go outside this industry (international shipping, for one example) you'll see this is done as a matter of daily business. 

Awesome conversation, Lisa - tons of fuel for thought.  Thanks SO much!

Nov 10, 2008 04:19 AM