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New Bill Seeks to Extend (and Expand!) the Home Buyer Tax Credit

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Mortgage and Lending with Platinum Home Mortgage Company NMLS #238304

Okay, the name for this new bill may not be as catchy as "Cash for Clunkers" but you gotta love it:

Home Ownership Moves the Economy(HOME) Act of 2009.  HR 2801 was introduced by Howard Coble (R-NC).

It would continue the current tax credit for first time homebuyers set to expire on December 1, 2009, with a couple of notable changes:

  1. Income restrictions would be removed
  2. Buyers do not need to be first time buyers

Okay, everybody, all together now "SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH". For those of us who decided not to take a vacation in October and November to handle the "rush" of people trying to beat the deadline, this will squash that idea.

Who will rush to buy if they are going to extend the credit anyway?

People like my kid.

She is a potential first time buyer who makes way too much money to qualify and gets KILLED each year paying income tax. She may be jumping off the fence when she reads this.

And people like her are much more likely to help the economy (they have more disposable income).

Wait a second, didn't I suggest this very same idea in this post?

Also written today: How 15 Year Mortgages Could Save the Economy

Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Banker/Broker based out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

Comments(176)

Anonymous
Sue Clark

Janet,

  The next thing that will happen is that they add an  excise tax on the Sale of the home to help  pay for this broad  and expanding program.   The money has to come from somewhere( and it's not in the budget) .so  the Seller  will have to pay.  Give to Buyer, take away from Seller. ?

Aug 26, 2009 04:49 PM
#158
Georgie Hunter R(S) 58089
Hawai'i Life Real Estate Brokers - Haiku, HI
Maui Real Estate sales and lifestyle info

What a lot of comments!  You have certainly touched on a topic that will create a lot of interest for buyers, and all of us.

Aug 26, 2009 08:20 PM
Eunice Waller
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Simpson Realtors - Locust Grove, VA
Working Together, We Can Do Great Things

Where is this free money going to come from?

Aug 26, 2009 09:15 PM
The Somers Team
The Somers Team at KW Philadelphia - Philadelphia, PA
Delivering Real Estate Happiness

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens !  There is some drama ahead.... there will be a lot of discussion and debate !

Aug 26, 2009 11:38 PM
Anonymous
Alex Lengemann

I think this new bill written by a NC Republican is just a giveaway to his biggest campaign donor----The National Association of Realtors. I am a Realtor too but I am also a taxpayer. Sure this credit helps our business but Realtors stop looking at only what is good for you and start considering what is good for America as a whole. We taxpayers are 1.6 trillion in debt just this year and you give out more government handouts. If you argue that stimulus is needed then at least make it req'd to be paid back interest free like the first $7500 tax credit. At least that way we would get our money back. The government is again messing with the free market to rig it to get the results it wants. This is America and like drug addicts most americans are addicted but instead of being heroin it you all are addicted to social programs and government handouts that benefit you. Would you all support $8000 given to all renters? That would stimulate the economy too! No, of course not because you all are only looking at what is good for yourself--more sales. Take a look at the big picture and stop government handouts.

The law of unintendend consequences....if this bill is passed and applies to all homebuyers buying a principal residence you will see a flood of homeowners buying some cheaper foreclosure getting the $8000 and just letting their current home go back to the bank. Is this what we are paying $8000 to stimulate? If it has to be paid back over time then you will still see the stimulating effects without the bill that will eventually come due to all us taxpayers.

Aug 27, 2009 12:27 AM
#162
Sandy McAlpine
RE/MAX EXECUTIVE - Cornelius, NC
Search Lake Norman Homes For Sale - Lake Norman NC

I would actually love that if it really happened. I hope that all the NC real estate agents write their congress person and let them know how effective the program has been and how we really need this. I know several buyers that are waiting to see if the amount of $ will increase-- and they are taking the gamble.

Aug 27, 2009 12:49 AM
Anonymous
Steve Cook

With just three months left before the first-time homebuyer tax credit  joins Cash for Clunkers in the ash bin of stimulus programs, will Congress extend the program another year quickly enough to prevent a disruption in the marketplace ?

Unfortunately, it's virtually certain that buyers will run out of time to buy a home long before Congress gets around to it, since it takes twelve weeks for the average first-time buyer to find a home and four to six weeks to close.  The tax-writing committees-Finance in the Senate and Ways and Means in the House-have yet to consider the matter.

 Making it more complicated is the "ask"-that's Washington talk for what you really want above all else.  The "ask" in this case is not as clear as it might be.. 

First of all, the two biggest industry groups, the Realtors and home builders, say they want more than an extension.  They also want the credit expanded to include all four to five million homebuyers next year.

 "We say -- if (the credit) is working for first-time homebuyers, then why not for all buyers, with no income limitations? We would like to see the expiration date extended (beyond Nov. 30). Expanding the credit is really the way to stabilize the (housing) market -- by making it available to everybody," NAR's Mary Trupo told columnist Ken Harney recently.

The NAHB also wants net operating loss (NOL) relief legislation that would help all businesses, especially its publicly held members, by eliminating the current $15 million cap on average annual gross receipts and allowing 2009 losses to be eligible for the expanded carry back.

NAR's top lobbyist, Jerry Giovaniello, speaking recently at a meeting in Las Vegas, gave odds of "better than 50-50" of getting Congress to extend tax credit past its December 1 deadline.  As for expanding it, he told the Las Vegas Sun that it that it would cost the U.S. Treasury, and there would likely be demands that the money to make up the difference would come from within the real estate industry.  And that could include eliminating the mortgage industry deduction, he said.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is more optimistic about the extension outlook.  In a conference call with reporters three weeks ago said "Congress has to extend the credit by the end of the year."  He was not so positive about expanding it.  It's worth noting that the Senate loved the tax credit earlier this year and passed the $15,000 version.  The housing industry's greatest hurdles were in the House last February and they may still be there.  The House, however, controls tax policy.

A clog of major, high priority legislation faces Congress with it returns from
August recess:  health-care reform, climate change and energy, financial system regulatory reform and a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency. It could be tought to make the deadline.

Then there is the growing unpopularity of stimulus plans.  The on-again, off-again Cash for Clunkers may leave no lasting mark on the auto industry.  Many leading economists argue the homebuyers' credit is nothing but a temporary prop to housing sales and it too will leave no legacy.  Taxpayers are concerned about costs and what they are getting for their billions and trillions.  A USA Today poll in early August, for example, founding adults evenly split on whether they stimulus package will make the economy better over the long term.

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 For more, check out Real Estate Economy Watch.

 

 

Aug 27, 2009 12:52 AM
#164
Anonymous
Josh Hay

Janet,

It's hard to disagree that extending the tax credit would be a positive situation but I really think it would hurt us, (agents and builders) because of one main reason.  People will always wait until the last minute to take advantage of a deadline.  If the credit is extended then people will wait even longer because they know they can.  If it is extended I would hope they would not report this until the day the credit is to expire.  The last thing we want to do is give prospects another reason to wait and that is exactly what extending the credit would do.

Thanks,

Josh

Aug 27, 2009 02:10 AM
#165
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

I hope that it's true because I believe it will help alot more people.  I've also noticed a slow down here in my area when I thought the procrastinators would be out shopping.  It really is December 24th for some of these buyers and they might not know it!

Aug 27, 2009 02:11 AM
Anonymous
Stephen Shewmake

Janet,

I'm a little East of you in the Yuba- Sutter area and we don't have enough inventory for the Buyers we have now. I welcome the extension, moving the excess inventory will help stabilize our maket, and lt people buy a home that suits them , and not feel rushed to purchase , just to get the credit.

Aug 27, 2009 06:54 AM
#167
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate

One way or the other we are going to be paying for this. It comes as no surprise that the date could be extended. I have been predicting that it would.

Aug 27, 2009 09:33 AM
Anonymous
Gary Clark, Coldwell Banker Howard Perry & Walston Raleigh NC

I encourage all of you to contact your elected officials.  If you don't have their e-mail address you can use these;

Congress:  https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Senate: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

I'm in agreement to open it up to anyone that buys a house.  Buy a house, get an $8000 tax credit.  Includes investment properties too.

 

Aug 27, 2009 10:56 AM
#169
Mark Velasco
West Shores Realty - Whittier, CA
Top Producing Broker Associate

What is your source Janet? How probable is this? I hope that it happens. Thing would really pick up.

Aug 27, 2009 05:12 PM
Jim Hale
ACTIONAGENTS.NET - Eugene, OR
Eugene Oregon's Best Home Search Website

With the Case-Shiller Index for May showing prices up in 13 of 20 big-city markets (no change in two more) -- for the first time in 3 years -- it is going to be hard to sell anything more than a simple extension in the Congress.

If the Case-Shiller numbers for June (which will be out soon) show the same thing and especially if the Index shows the same trend for July (when those numbers come out about six weeks from now), a simple extension will be the absolute most NAR can expect the Congress to support.

Aug 27, 2009 10:53 PM
Anonymous
Rick Storlie

As I read some of these comments I can't believe more Realtors and lenders don't figure this out. We as a country are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. We can't GIVE AWAY any more money for this so called "soft landing".

Do you think auto sales will have another record setting sales month in Septmeber now that the cash for clunkers program is gone? All that program did was accelerate sales for dealerships and take some perfectly viable cars off the market. The UAW and Sierra Club just upped their campaign contributions!

Let me ask a question? What is a $150,000 home worth WITH and WITHOUT an $8,000 tax credit? In other words, would a buyer in September pay the same for that home in December when the tax credit is gone? Have we just artifically inflated the market AGAIN- the same as we did with "fog the mirror" loans?

The ONLY thing that will get housing stabilized and moving up is when buyers find that magical "value" button- They now feel the house is worth as much or more than the money they are exchanging for it. First time homebuyers have to feel it's a better deal to buy than rent (financially and emotionally).

Government incentives are not a long term answer to a market correction. Let the market correct itself and only then will a true recovery take place.

If you don't believe in these fundamentals then I hope you FULLY support tax credits for people that buy new furniture, appliances, doggie treats and bottled water. Fido appreciates an email to your representative.

Aug 28, 2009 06:34 AM
#172
Kathie Burby
Coldwell Banker Mother Lode Real Estate - Sonora, CA
REALTOR, SFR, Tuolumne County Real Estate Guide

The bill was introduced and referred to the House Ways and Means Committee on June 10. If this bill were to pass it needs funding, given the current economic climate and the fact that many banks are teetering on the edge it seems unlikely this bill will pass. The government is more likely to keep what little money they have left to offset costs associated with failing banks and bailouts.

But we can dream.....

Aug 28, 2009 11:37 AM
Monica Bourgeau
Portland, OR
Authentic Marketing for Heart-Led Agents

I heard that they might extend the tax credit, I love the idea of extending it and expanding it - get that market moving! :)

Aug 29, 2009 04:32 AM
Antoinette Murphy
RE/MAX Atlantic - Absecon, NJ
GRI

Multiple offers on the lower priced homes has been a regular in my area near Atlantic City, NJ.  The phones are beginning to ring and homes that have been on the market for months and months are finally getting offers!  I think it will be a busy fall whether the extension is approved or not. 

Aug 30, 2009 11:43 PM
Carol & Vince Ciroli
ConnectRealty.com - Columbus, OH

The 96% Solution:

The only way you are going to stop congress from spending your money on their pet projects is by shooting them (Silver Bullet Required) and putting a wooden stake through their cold hearts (Oak is the wood of preference). Although this is not guaranteed to work on all Congressman.

The 1990 congressional elections is a case in point. With public outrage and disgust with Congress at all-time highs, voters reelected incumbents at a rate exceeding 96 percent in 1990. Congressional elections no longer serve as a mechanism for voters to express their opinions about Congress. Elections are bought by the highest bidder (read special interest groups) and the majority of voters would make Leno's "Jaywalk All Stars" look like little Einstein's.

Your congressman (person) is going to spend your money in the best way to save his or her job...it can be a bridge to no-where, a $10,000 toilet seat or a $8,000, or even a $15,000 tax credit to home buyers. NOT SPENDING IT IS NOT AN OPTION.

 So where would you like to see YOUR congressman spend YOUR money?

 •·      Bridge to No-Where

•·       Toilet Seat

•·       Wooden Stake Factory

•·       Tax Credit for Homebuyers

Aug 31, 2009 03:58 AM
Kasia Zajac, GRI, SFR
Baird & Warner - Lake Zurich, IL

Such a great idea: "How about a stimulus plan that incents good money management habits?  I propose $1,000 credit to everyone in the US who has a current trifecta of 800 credit score, contribution to an IRA/Roth/401k and moderate debt to income ratio. " (post #87).    Love it!!!!

Sep 20, 2009 04:09 PM