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FHA -- Non-Occupant Co-Borrowers, are they allowed?

By Jeff Belonger

Mortgage and Lending with Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc

July 07, 2007 10:14 AM

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FHA will allow a co-signer that is not living in the house unlike conventional loans in which the borrower still needs to meet certain qualifying ratios even if they have a co-signer. This can be great for first time homebuyers. One thing that so many get confused no matter what type of loan they are applying for is that a co-signer with good credit can't overcome the bad credit of the primary borrower. Meaning that the co-signer with good credit can't get you a better priced loan.

On FHA loans, 100% of the co-signer's income can be used no matter how much money the borrower makes. This also can help the borrower to achieve the maximum fha loan limits depending on what county that they are buying in. Each county has different mortgage amounts. And by having this co-signer, this can help those borrowers that might have some income that they can't prove, knowing that they can still make the higher mortgage payment. One thing to keep in mind though is that the co-signer's debt is also used in this equation. If their debt is extremely high, this co-signer might not help the situation.

Key Reminder #1: The co-signer can currently have a FHA loan in their name. For some more information on this topic, please go to http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/ref/sfhp2-03.cfm

Key Reminder #2 : The co-signor must be a relative.

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John Popp

Charlotte, NC

Jeff,

Thanks for the post. I sometimes need reminding of what different programs allow.

Jul 07, 2007 12:10 PM

Gita Bantwal

RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA

REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Thanks for the reminder. I have not had FHA loans recently.

Jul 07, 2007 11:27 PM

Thomas Weiss

Thomas R. Weiss - West Palm Beach, FL

Hey Jeff,

With loan standards increasing, it's nice to have an option in FHA, I do have a question, FHA guidelines say if your subordinating a second there is no Max Cltv, my underwriter is lost on this guideline thinking there is a Cap, what do you think???

Thanks,

Tom Weiss

Jul 08, 2007 12:24 AM

Randy L. Prothero

eXp Realty - Hollister, MO

Missouri REALTOR, (808) 384-5645

Great information, that added benefit will make FHA a good option for many.

I have not seen many FHA loans in the last couple of years but am expecting a lot more of them. I have my first client in a long time possibly doing one.

Jul 08, 2007 06:27 AM

Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Tony.... I see so many loan officers make their clients think that co-signers can offset their credit with someone else's good credit. That part is sad...but this is usually not taught in the beginning, but learned by experience. Or just a good manager pointing this out.

John.... with so much out there and even though I know I know most products, refreshers and reminders are always key. I always like reading about them. Thanks for your input.

Gita..... you should be seeing more around now or soon. The problem with this is that they should have never left. But so many lenders pushed the subprime because it was a tad easier at times with a little less in paper work.

Tom.... this is a tough one. It actually depends on what kind of second. There is no max LTV unless.... I think there are a few exceptions out there and it comes down to the real scenario. I can't 100% help you here because I hardly come across this. If you want to call me tomorrow, I would be glad to help. One of my underwriter's actually worked for HUD at one point. thanks

Randy.... thanks. I think FHA is a great option for many reasons. It still won't be used as much because many lenders aren't even FHA approved. But they don't let the clients know this. They just steer them in the wrong direction that ends up hurting them.

Jul 08, 2007 02:01 PM

David A. Podgursky PA

THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL

THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!

good post - quick and simple!

Jul 09, 2007 02:14 AM

Leah Ross

Your Tampa Bay Mortgage Source - Tampa, FL

Tampa, Florida Mortgage

Awesome post Jeff! Many people don't realize this benefit of FHA! Great job!

Jul 09, 2007 10:01 AM

Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

David.... thanks. But in all honesty, it would be very hard to add anything else to this. It's straight to the point and nothing more.

Leah.... I agree, that many don't know about the benefit of FHA, and that is including lenders. It's ashame. thanks for the compliments.

Jul 18, 2007 06:06 AM

Bruce Bourgault, Vice President, Mpro

Central Pacific Homeloans - Honolulu, HI

Jeff -- I gave you a 5 for this post. Any one working in or around a college should know about the "kiddy condo". A great deal for student and parent. Aloha

Jul 18, 2007 08:40 AM

Dee Dee

White Plains, NY

NY,NJ, CT Home Loan Expert

Jeff,

I realize that this blog is old but Isnt it true that you can have a co-signor even on a refinance transaction? Which means this can help a lot of people who exceed 43% Back end Ratio.

Thanks for the great posts.

Dee

May 12, 2008 10:45 AM

Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

BRUCE.... Rest in Peace......

DEE..... beat you to the punchline. I wrote this on April 10th..... FHA -- Non-Occupant Co-Borrowers -- Now on refinances also....

May 12, 2008 02:44 PM

Dee Dee

White Plains, NY

NY,NJ, CT Home Loan Expert

What can I say, you are the Expert :) Keep the FHA topics coming.

May 12, 2008 03:00 PM

Michael S. Mackey

CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI

REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

Just want to add my compliments and thanks for this informative post. Also good comments from the community.

May 12, 2008 03:10 PM

Anonymous

Ron

Sec 1-2D says that the non occupying co-borrower CAN have an existing loan in their name:

D. Non-Occupying Co-Borrower.

A non-occupying co-borrower on property being purchased with an FHA-insured mortgage as a principal residence by other family members may have a joint interest in that property as well as in a principal residence of their own with a FHA-insured mortgage. (See paragraph 1-8 B for additional information).

Did "I read that wrong?

Sep 05, 2008 02:12 AM

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Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

DEE.... thanks for the compliment...

MICHAEL.... my pleasure and thanks for stopping by.

RON..... yes, you are 100% correct. Thanks for bring this up. Those can's and can not's can be so disruptive sometimes.

Sep 05, 2008 03:28 AM

Anonymous

Owen Wheaton

Has anything happened to make the "Kiddie Condo" FHA loan less flexible or attractive to obtain...I'm being told that underwriters do not want to back these types of loan any longer..has anyone heard of this or can elaborrate...Bruce , I also sent you a personal message on the subject..Any and all help greatly appreciated

Owen

Jun 29, 2009 09:03 AM

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Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Owen.... Bruce is no longer around. Not sure what you are getting from your lender or anyone else, but a kiddie condo is basically a non-occupant co-borrower that has to be a relative/family member. Other than that, it's basically the same as having a 2nd borrower on the transaction. You can e-mail me at jbelonger@ihmci.com Maybe I can help you. thanks, jeff

Jun 29, 2009 09:18 AM

Anonymous

Jennifer

If I have a son who is purchasing a home and both his parents are to be non owner occupied co-borrowers and one has no credit scores is that acceptable on FHA loan?

Please Help :)

Aug 11, 2009 02:18 AM

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Jeff Belonger

Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ

The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Jennifer.....

Please call me on my cell phone. 609-440-5133 I can also be reached at jbelonger@ihmci.com . The basic question is, yes, this could be done, but there are some details to this. Besides, I have a few questions on this. thanks

Aug 11, 2009 02:23 AM

Anonymous

Denise

I owned a home with my husband and we see another home that we want to purchase to rent out could FHA help with purchasing a second home for rental property.

May 18, 2010 05:27 AM

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