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Is There Such a Thing as Karma in Real Estate?

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Real Estate Agent with Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Seal Beach, Irvine REALTOR

How many of you have had this happen....

You've got a client, and you're diligently searching for property for them. You send them listings, you take them out on the weekend and show them 10 - 20 homes, you follow up, and basically spend your very valuable time... for FREE... because you want to help them find a place to call home. And all of a sudden...

They stop returning your calls. You're not sure why, but you get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach. So you keep trying, maybe even call from different numbers. And finally, you get a hold of them only to hear something like this...

"You know, we were out driving around a few weeks ago and we saw this open house. So we went in and it was the house of our dreams. The listing agent told us the only way we'd even have a chance would be if we wrote the offer on the spot. So we did! We never thought we'd get the house, but we got it!"

The Q and A that follows never makes much sense.

"Why didn't you call me? I would have come down right away and written it for you?"
"Well, she told us the only way to make the deal happen at the price we wanted to pay was for her to cut out one of the commissions." 
And you believed that?

"You didn't tell her that you've been working with someone for the past 6 months?"
"She asked us if we had signed an agency agreement, which we said we hadn't. So she told us technically we don't have an agent and anyone can write the offer for us."
Technically? Sure. Ethically? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?

"Why didn't you tell me any of this the last time we spoke when I mentioned that I saw of couple of homes you might want to see and you said you were taking a break for a while?"
"It all happened so fast, we weren't sure what to say."
Ummm... the truth would have been fine.

I believe buyers know when they're doing something wrong, and the disappearing act or lack of communication happens because the truth doesn't sound that great. But is this the buyer's fault or the listing agent? Hard to say I suppose. Personally, I'd give the listing agent about 75% of the blame and the buyer 25%, and here's why.

The listing agent knows how much time, energy, and work goes into showing property. Almost every listing agent I've ever known IS a listing agent because they sure don't want to be a buyers' agent! So the second you hear someone has been working with an agent, to blow that off without thinking about how much work that agent has already put in, in my opinion (and this is a blog, so it's just an opinion), is repulsive.

As far as the buyers, they just want a home. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking away their responsibility in this at all, but they don't really understand our job the way the listing agent does. In this instance, these buyers in particular are very intelligent people, and absolutely should have known better. Not all buyers are as well informed though, but the listing agent always is.

You see, what the public en mass doesn't seem to realize is that we can check most of these things after the deal closes. We can check public records to see how much the loan is, we can look in the MLS and see who the agents are, and calculating the commission is extremely easy (plus in this case the listing agent was quite proud to list herself as the selling agent, showing that commission amount as well).

I believe in karma, maybe too much. And I believe it will come back around for this listing agent. I can guarantee this isn't the first time she's done this, and it probably won't be the last. So should I do the same, since it doesn't' seem like anyone ever gets caught? After all, I'm owed one now, right?

WRONG. Karma does exist, in one way or another. Something will come back to me to make up for this, and I don't need to hurt someone else to make it happen. As for the buyers, I'm glad they got a home.
I really am. That's why I tried so hard to find them what they were looking for! Yes, of course, this is our job and we do this to get paid, but I love finding someone a place they can call home. It's rewarding for me, and it's a hard feeling to replace.
Did they do the wrong thing? Yes. Did they know better? Of course. But ultimately, they found a home, and maybe, just maybe, all my hard work kept them out their looking. Should I have been compensated for my work? I sure think so. But you know what they say...

What comes around goes around. It will all work out in the end... right?

*** Hey guys and gals, I appreciate all the great comments! Just an FYI since I see a lot of people mentioning it, Buyers' Agency Agreements are not commonly used in my area (see Comment #21) and would not have mattered in this scenerio. Either way, it's the lack of ethics and morals that concern me.
If we all act as we should, a BRE (that's our form) would never even be necessary. Thanks!!! ***

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xxxx - Alexandria, PA

Rob,

Good post.  I think a lot of us can relate.  It's a lousy situation, but I'm guessing you'll learn from it and focus on the next challenge.  A former coach used to always say, "It can never be about the last play; it's always about the next play."  I also believe that you reap what you sow.  So, keep your head up !

 

Phil

Apr 23, 2010 01:10 PM
Donn Rasch
Alta Realty Company, LLC - Hawi, HI

Lots of great comments and a tough lesson learned. Unfortunately, you only have the buyer's version of the story and they stopped returning your calls and / or answering the phone. So I would take their story with a grain of salt. Somewhere along the line you lost them as clients and they jumped ship. Very frustrating after spending so much time with them. So I'm curious, what would you do differently, if anything next time?

Apr 23, 2010 02:33 PM
Terry Chenier
Homelife Glenayre Realty - Mission, BC

One last point on buyers agreements. A lot of people here don't use them Our board is actually toying with the idea of making them MANDATORy. No more poaching of clients,; everyone on a level playing field.

Apr 23, 2010 02:48 PM
Pat Tasker
Shorewest Realtors - Germantown, WI
Your Milwaukee Metro Area Agent (WI)

we can only hope that "what comes around, goes around!"  your scenario just happened to me this week...when I asked the buyer what happened, they said "we want to go in a new direction"  What the heck does that mean?  In this case they ran into the spider web of a very agressive agent, and didn't even care that I'd be keeping up with them for the last l8 months!  very frustrating, especially when you know you are the better agent!

Apr 23, 2010 03:15 PM
J. Philip Faranda
Howard Hanna Rand Realty - Yorktown Heights, NY
Associate Broker / Office Manager

You aren't in the real estate business until this happens to you. It has happened to me and several of my agents. And it sucks. 

Apr 23, 2010 03:25 PM
Nancy Milton Holtzscher
RE/MAX Alliance in St.Louis' Illinois suburbs - Edwardsville, IL
Edwardsville/Glen Carbon, Illinois Broker, REALTOR

I understand why everyone is coming down hard on the listing agent, but the customer should also be told that they robbed you of your valuable time, your family's income and your good will. Their behavior was no different than if they had stolen your wallet by deceit. There's no reason they should be blameless in this kind of mess and blithely go off into their new home as if they've done nothing wrong. Just be done with people who can't behave in a civilized manner. 

Apr 23, 2010 04:40 PM
Jeff Lorenzen
Keller Williams Park City Real Estate - Park City, UT - Park City, UT
Park City Real Estate

Jeff LorenzenKarma exists. Always do the right thing. You'll feel better about yourself. And it will come back to you in time.

 

Apr 23, 2010 07:07 PM
Barbara Adams
Boise, ID
An experienced agent, means a great experience!

I have heard of cases of people who are going to another area or state on a househunting trip only to find out that ONE agent they thought they were working with is just too darn busy to help them out, then what do they do when they have spent thousands of dollars to get over to that area to look for houses? So, if the buyer agent hasn't done due diligence, sent listings and stated to the buyer days and times they can take them out to look at properties and find out when they are ready to buy, then perhaps sometimes they do go elsewhere.

Apr 23, 2010 07:14 PM
Peggy Chirico
Prudential CT Realty - Manchester, CT
REALTORĀ® 860-748-8900, Hartford & Tolland County Real Estate

Why is it that we think of karma when we someone else profiting from bad behavior? It doesn't seem right or fair, but if we wish for their demise, that will really wreck our own good karma! I decided long ago that we will not see them get what they deserve. We need to only focus on our own karma, do what is right always, and it will come back to us in the end (not in money necessarily but in all that is important--like sleeping well at night). 

But I also agree with #68 from Tim. We ascribe to a Code of Ethics and the agent clearly violated it. Every time an agent does something like this, the entire industry takes a hit for her. Most of us have worked hard to promote our reputations so when I hear stories like this, it reminds me of how much harder we will all have to work to gain our small progress back. 

Apr 24, 2010 12:00 AM
The Somers Team
The Somers Team at KW Philadelphia - Philadelphia, PA
Delivering Real Estate Happiness

It is tough out there.  I think any agent can relate to this scenario.  Those open houses can be deadly for buyers agents.  I think the buyer agent really needs to educate their clients that if they do go into an open house they need to say they are working with an agent.  I do agree that the karma with that listing agent will come back.  9 times out of 10 the commission is already pre-determined so it does not really matter who represents the buyer as far as the commission is concerned.  And of course the buyer is now in a dual agency position as well which could be hairy.  Buyer agency agreements in PA help in these cases as well.

Apr 24, 2010 12:12 AM
Richard van Seenus
Van Seenus Partners - Santa Barbara, CA
Best SB Agent

Yes, "What comes around goes around"  I Believe in being professional, treating others the way I want to be treated, and putting integrity above all else.  When I sit open houses and a buyer comes in and states that they are working with another agent, I follow up with that agent to let them know the client stopped by.  If it is not my listing I will email the agent and CC the listing agent to let them both know the client visited the property.  It's what I would want others to do for me.

Rob, I work in California as well and my area also lacks use of the BRE.  I've bought property in Colorado and liked that a Buyer Agency Agreement was used there.  If I'm not mistake, Colorado requires the Buyer Agency Agreement to be signed if the offer is written or presented by an agent.  When I bought in Colorado I did not need to sign the Agency agreement until I wanted to make an offer.  I liked this approach, and have thought about incorporating it into my business model.  I'd love to hear you thoughts on that?

Apr 24, 2010 12:49 AM
Kristen Wheatley
Better Homes & Gardens | The Masiello Group - Brunswick, ME
Supporting Success - Best Job in the World!

That will definitely come back around to haunt the other broker.  Somewhere in the back of the mind, there must be some guilt!  We have some like that here, but for most - the first thing we ask people coming in to our open houses is "Are you working with an agent?" - not "Have you signed a buyer agreement."  Those agreements are actually required here for us to be able to give any advice at all, but professional courtesy (obviously something this agent hasn't heard of) enables us all to work to gether and be successful.  We even follow up with the agent the buyers said they were wroking with instead of directly with the buyers, just to avoid that exact scenario.

Apr 24, 2010 02:29 AM
Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

Rob, sounds like many real estate professionals can relate to your story. For those who treat others with respect and honor in all things, our rest is profound. For those who do not, they are caught in the cages of their own design and will live a life of torment. Those are the rules, not hateful thinking.

I know many of my buyers would have walked down the street if I compelled them to sign a buyer contract. I don't do it. Not all of my buyers buy. To my knowledge none of my bueyrs purchased a home through another agent.

Rob, the cards you have to play now include a highly motivated homeowner who owes your referrals. Call them every month. You may come to witness the honor and respect to extended to your wayward buyers will be recognized in a long and profitable relationship.

Best of luck
Annette Lawrence
ReMsx ACR Elite Group, Inc
Palm Harbor, FL
727.420.4041

Apr 24, 2010 02:53 AM
Cindy Cranston
Fulmer Realty- Floresville, LaVernia, San Antonio - San Antonio, TX

Bad luck in this case!  I work in an area where this goes on a lot. I always have my buyer's sign a buyer's rep. Doesn't always really protect you but works better than not having one.

Also remember these buyer's already lied to you about taking a break. They could also be lying about telling the other agent about you. Some people are just are not accountable for their own actions, so the 'LIE' or they 'blame' everyone else.

Better luck next time.

Apr 24, 2010 03:01 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Why, yes it does.

A couple of years ago I spent time showing homes to friends of the family.  We've known each other over 30 years, so (at the time) who wouldv'e thought I would have needed a signed BBA?  I was going to list their property as well. So they told me.

They went to an Open House one day and were poached by an agent who enticed them with very low fees on both sides.  They bought the home and the dirt next door, even though it wasn't even an area they had wanted to live in, they were dazzled by the newness of the home.

Well, I just found out the other day that someone started construction on the lot next door, and these "friends" of mine are in a panic, wondering what is going on because they thought they owned the land.  Seems that other agent left off a tax parcel number when writing the contract, and nobody caught it or pointed it out.  OOPS. 

I never use a BBA.  I should but I never do.

Apr 24, 2010 03:10 AM
#95
Rob D. Shepherd
RETIRED - Florence, OR
RETIRED

I feel your pain! Its worse when they have no clue they just crapped on you.

Apr 24, 2010 09:09 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Rob....got robbed?

I am always reminding everyone (when it is appropriate) that there is enough for everyone. Every-time someone makes a move for the MORE, I say what goes for you goes for me....I want more too. So, somebody came up with win/win and it works. You get and I get. you make and I make.....Hey, here's an idea, let's split the commission and we all make $$$. Greed spoils it every-time......AND THE KARMA DOG WILL SNIFF YOU OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE.........and it eats well.

Apr 24, 2010 10:47 AM
Anonymous
yionada

Rob,

I once referred a client to another agent only for the agent to say they never purchased.  I found out they did purchase and that the other agent just never paid the referral fee to me. It happened once and I learned from then on to get everything in writing. Now, I get agents to send confirmation emails for referral fees, prior to sending any information to them..I don't care what it is. Being nice is always a plus, but we deal with people that are just not trustworthy day in and day out. Having a license won't make them ethical. I know some agents that have been burned over and over, but still choose not to get paperwork signed and hey..if they like it , I love it. To each their own. As for your clients, they lost a really good agent with their best interest in mind. Too bad they didnt appreciate your kindness. You were too good for them.

Yionada

  

Apr 24, 2010 12:49 PM
#98
Bill Petrey
AgentHarvest - A Real Estate Agent Finder Service - Dallas, TX

Rob:

One more thought.  What if you offered a commission rebate of a portion of your commission IF they signed an agreement.  May be enticing enough to them and would probably be rewarding enough to you if it improved your odds of closing.  CA sounds like a rough market for buyer's agents.  I do feel for you, but still feel that you got screwed by the buyer not the agent.  We're all in agreement you got screwed though.

Apr 25, 2010 06:31 AM
Damon Gettier
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert - Roanoke, VA
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE

Rob, I am sorry this happened to you and it happened to me early in my career.  Not anymore though!  I always use an Exclusive Right to Represent Buyer Agreement, even with close friends.

Apr 25, 2010 02:21 PM