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Is this ethical? ...or just plain greedy?

By
Services for Real Estate Pros with Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Ambassador

Roll of moneyWithout specific commission percentages, I'm going to try to explain the scenario of which I'm speaking. Our market here in Omaha is predominantly a 60/40 split in favor of the listing company. It has been ever since I got in the business in 1986. There are always a few exceptions but that's been the norm for many years.

In our MLS system, we advertise the 'commission split' to the brokers and agents. Let's say our commission is "X%". The "CC" for selling agent payout is published on each listing as "X times .40", thus the 40% split to the selling agent/company.

Our market is also experiencing 'commission-ectomies', just like many others and many companies and agents are now listing property a percent or two lower (X minus 1).

There are some agents in town who are charging a commission of X and advertising a co-broker payout split of 40% of a lesser amount of commission, and thus pocketing the extra half to full percent of the overage.

When I as an agent show a property and write an offer. I understand and accept that whatever is published under the 'CC' payout, I'm agreeing to. I've never once called a listing agent and tried to 'nudge' the split up or try to get a bonus.

I do, however, wonder if these agents are being completely upfront and honest with their sellers and explain to them that they are offering that listing based on an X-1 payout and keeping the difference for themselves. I can't imagine a seller in today's environment agreeing to this practice.

Although I believe this to be completely legal, I personally would never feel comfortable charging X percentage and then paying out the selling broker as if I'd listed it at X-1, or even X-a half. I am always grateful for a hard-working selling agent and certainly want them to get compensated as we customarily always have.

So is this ethical? ...or just plain greedy?

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Ralph Gorgoglione
Metro Life Homes - Palm Springs, CA
California and Hawaii Real Estate (310) 497-9407

I wonder if it should be a policy to disclose the listing agreement to the selling agent?

Or perhaps have your local board verify the commission posted on the MLS versus what is agreed to on the listing agreement?

Jun 22, 2010 07:18 AM
John Thomas
E3 Green HOMES - Boulder, CO
EcoBroker, MSEE, MBA

It sounds like everything needs to be on the table from the get-go. If it is discussed and agreed to up front, then there should be no surprises to anyone.

Jun 22, 2010 07:22 AM
Glenn Roberts
Retired - Seattle, WA

Greedy for sure. we just post a % of sale for selling agents and go by that. We like selling agents, and often listings agents list for less that the usual 50/50 split here.

One agent recently listed a shortsale for 7% paying 3% to the selling agent. When the back okayed the sale, but at a reduced rate, the agent reduced the rate according to the MLS rules...equally from each side. So, the listing agent got 3.5% and the selling agent got 2.5 %. When confronted the broker of the listing agent said, well, "listing short sales is more work." Greed. I'll let others call the ethics of it.

Jun 22, 2010 07:23 AM
Team Honeycutt
Allen Tate - Concord, NC

I vote for greedy. There is one particular agent in our area who does this.  Those of us who know about it always include a compensation addendum with the offer that states how we expect the commission to be split. 

Jun 22, 2010 08:40 AM
Jenna Dixon
Momentum Real Estate Group LLC - Marietta, GA
55 & Over | New Constructions | Horse Farms

Oh, I will be the odd man out and say that since you, as the selling agent, ARE NOT party to the listing agreement that is negotiated with the seller, then how the commission is "split" is none of your business. 

I can only speak to how it works in Georgia, but in our listing agreement, the commission is X% and it states in the listing agreement with the seller, how the listing company will compensate the selling broker (30,50,60,80% of X).

I am sure if you saw a listing agent offering 51+% of X commission to the selling agent, you wouldn't say OH NO, DON'T PAY ME THAT MUCH, YOU TAKE HALF & I WILL TAKE HALF.

YEAH, RIGHT!  Then who is greedy?  The commission is offered in the MLS, you either accept what is offered, or you don't.  How much or little the listing agent makes is irrelevant.

Jun 22, 2010 11:44 AM
Jenna Dixon
Momentum Real Estate Group LLC - Marietta, GA
55 & Over | New Constructions | Horse Farms

Disclosing commissions agreed to in listing agreements could result in a charge of price fixing.  Wouldn't be allowed under anti-trust laws. 

Why is that everyone wants to help negotiate the terms of agreements & contracts that they are not a party to?

Jun 22, 2010 11:46 AM
Bill Swanson
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Ambassador - Omaha, NE

Jenna, I totally agree and understand. The listing agreement is none of my business. I have always accepted whatever was in the 'cc' box and never thought about it. In Omaha, in our listing agreements, there is no mention whatsoever of percentage of selling broker compensation.

Where I don't think they are acting ethically is this: Are those sellers 'assuming' that of the commission they are paying, the selling broker is getting the 'customary split' of that? I would certainly find it hard to believe an educated seller would agree to paying the listing company a 'bigger split' in this market.

 

Jun 22, 2010 02:56 PM
Jenna Dixon
Momentum Real Estate Group LLC - Marietta, GA
55 & Over | New Constructions | Horse Farms

Bill,  It is hard to imagine that a seller would be uninformed & blindly accept an unknown co-oping broker commission.  But, then again, they blindly accept poorly photographed & marketed listings all the time, so maybe they would.

Jun 23, 2010 04:03 AM