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Arizona Pre Foreclosure Buyers & Agents-Demand A Copy Of The Preliminary HUD-1!

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Summit Home Consultants

Arizona Pre Foreclosure Buyers & Agents-Demand A Copy Of The Preliminary HUD-1!

The great majority of my business in the past year has been that of an Arizona pre foreclosure listing agent.  As many of you know, Phoenix homes have taken a beating in the past two years, and short sales have become "the norm" for our market. That being said, today I learned a very valuable lesson when it comes to representing Phoenix short sale buyers.

We submitted an offer on August 6, 2010 for a Scottsdale short sale at full price, with no seller contributions ($445,000).  Because the home was getting some serious attention from other buyers and had only been on the market for 7 days, the Buyer demanded to come in strong from the outset. Great news! The listing agent called and his clients accepted our offer. He made sure to tell me that he has an experienced legal team review his short sales, he's listed/sold 20+ Phoenix short sales in the past month, yada, yada, yada.

So, fast forward to today. The listing agent calls and tells me that the 1st mortgage holder has approved the sale, but my client may have to come to the closing table with a "minimal amount of cash" to cover "some of the expenses" that the 1st mortgage refused to pay for. When I asked him what fees had been refused, he told me, "I'm not sure yet, but I'll know more once I get the approval on the 2nd (also Wells Fargo)". Interesting, I thought. "And what amount do you consider to be "minimal"?, I asked.  To which he says, "Maybe $5,000 or so".  Biting my tongue, I asked him to send me a copy of the lender approval letter, as well as the Preliminary HUD-1 that he sent to the lender back on August 6th.

First, he just sent me the approval letter.  On it, Wells Fargo had approved a net to them of $405,000. They approved the full 6% commission (of which I'm getting 2.5%, and he's getting 3.5%), as well as what I thought were very "normal" fees (i.e. title fees, tax proration, missed HOA fees, etc.). They were also demanding that the Seller come to closing with $2,500. I thought this was a little strange, as the loan was in 1st position, and received full protection from the Arizona Anti Deficiency Statute.  Needless to say, until I saw the Preliminary HUD-1, I couldn't determine where the shortfall/problem was.

I called again, asking for the Preliminary HUD-1. Finally, he sent it to me, and my jaw dropped. Lo-and-behold, there was the problem. He was asking Wells Fargo to cover a $5,000 fee to a law firm (whom I found out is also his broker), and a $4,450 "processing fee" to XXX Short Sale Processing, LLC. As you can imagine, I called and informed him that "this dog won't hunt". He basically "padded" the HUD-1 with $9,500 in lawyer/negotiating fees, and chose to keep it a secret until now.  Even more shocking, we was demanding that my buyer cover $5,000 of it. Nice huh?

Of course, he went on to tell me that if my client did not come up with the $$ at closing, they would simply take it to another buyer. I don't think so. The foreclosure date is scheduled for 3 weeks from today, and the loan is serviced by Wells Fargo and owned by Fannie (we all know Fannie's unwritten policy on extending foreclosure dates).

Before contacting him, I sent an email to the AZ Department of Real Estate, asking for their opinion on the matter. Within 20 minutes of sending the email, I received the following reply:

"In response to your inquiry, a licensee is required to:

-  Deal fairly to all parties to a transaction

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-  Disclose in writing any information the licensee possesses that materially or adversely affects the consideration to be paid by any party to the transaction.

-  Disclose any financial interest they may have in the transaction other than a commission, this would include short sale negotiation or trash out fees if paid to the listing agent.

Based on your email, it is possible that the involved licensee(s) may be violating the Commissioner's Rules."

As a side note, I did not give the Department of Real Estate the agents name. I just wanted to confirm that we had a problem, and it's now obvious that we do.

When I asked this "experienced" crook/agent if he knew that this type of behavior was in direct conflict with the Commissioner's Rules, he told me, "I don't appreciate threats".

At this point, I'm hoping that because he has now been "enlightened", he will re-evaluate his position of not allowing my Buyer to purchase this home unless she gives into his demands. I've already spoken with her, and she's ready to do whatever it takes to get her pound of flesh, should he decide to continue down this path.

"Padding" the Preliminary HUD-1 is necessary when it comes to items that are "unknown" at the time of contract acceptance (i.e. Past HOA Dues, tax prorations, courier/messenger fees, etc.).  "Padding" the HUD to ensure a larger cut of the commission at the expense of your Arizona Pre Foreclosure Seller is egregious and unacceptable.

Lesson Learned....

Buyers & Buyers Agents- Always demand a copy of the Preliminary HUD-1 within 5 days of contract acceptance.

Sellers & Selling Agents- Be careful "padding" your HUD's. Placing your commission in front of your client's best interests is a big no-no.

For those of you that have experience in the "short sale world", what would you do in my shoes?  Hope the deal closes and forget about it, or let the AZ Department of Real Estate handle it? Your input is greatly appreciated.

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Comments(11)

Phil Leng
Retired - Kirkland, WA
Phil Leng - Retired

Crooks and cronies

Out them all

Pretenders and phonies

Line em up on the wall

Phil

Oct 05, 2010 06:31 PM
Rob Magnotta
Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Seal Beach, Irvine REALTOR - Huntington Beach, CA
Huntington Beach & Newport Beach Coastal Specialist

Always good to get the Preliminary HUD no matter what the situation is. Nice post.

Oct 05, 2010 06:33 PM
Bob Hertzog
Summit Home Consultants - Phoenix, AZ
Designated Broker

I like that idea Phil. Thanks for sharing! :)

Oct 05, 2010 06:34 PM
Bob Hertzog
Summit Home Consultants - Phoenix, AZ
Designated Broker

Hi Rob, thanks for commenting.  As the listing agent, I always send it to the buyers agent when I send the package to the lender. I just think it makes good sense, to make sure we're not forgetting anything.  

Oct 05, 2010 06:36 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Bob, I think that's great advice asking for the HUD-1 from listing agent, when representing the buyer.  I would never have thought of that.  In your case, I would probably fight it out with the agent.  $9500 in attorney fees and processing fees seems a little much.  Why should the buyer have to pay $5000?  They can take the $5000 out of the $9500, and still be left with $4000. I'm beginning to wonder how many of these short sale negotiating companies are able to successfully close short sales.  I have enough trouble getting the bank to agree to the usual stuff, like delinquent taxes, 2nd payoff, etc., and then it's just me and the selling agent/broker. 

Oct 05, 2010 06:39 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

I just noticed your comment #4, I don't send the HUD to buyers agent, but maybe I will from now on.  Great advice, thanks!

Oct 05, 2010 06:42 PM
Bob Hertzog
Summit Home Consultants - Phoenix, AZ
Designated Broker

Hi Pamela, I think it's ridiculous as well.  The guy is already making almost $16k in commissions, then expects the lender to approve an additional $9500 to pay the law firm he works for and the 3rd party negotiating firm?  Do you think the sellers know what he's up to?  I seriously doubt it.

Oct 05, 2010 06:50 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

No, I bet the sellers don't know.   I guess from the bank's perspective, they approved some of the fees, although I am a little surprised.  But then again, it's a short sale and you never know what surprise is around the corner.

Oct 05, 2010 07:08 PM
Bob Hertzog
Summit Home Consultants - Phoenix, AZ
Designated Broker

Actually, what is shocking is that they approved all but $2,500 of the $9,500 that was requested of them.  It will be interesting to see if the house appraises at this point.  If it doesn't, he may be eating all of the $9500 he's promised to his cronies. :)

Oct 05, 2010 07:11 PM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

good post.  I am getting pitches from these Law Firms who want to handle my Short Sales at "no Charge" but it sounds as if they might actually screw up the situation.

Oct 06, 2010 06:02 AM
Melanie Ross
Coldwell Banker Solano Pacific - Benicia, CA
Benicia CA & Vallejo CA Real Estate, 707-319-2828

Bob, you just brought to light something that never even crossed my mind.  Maybe it is because we do it right and will share anything about the short sale with the buyers agent.  that is just WRONG what they did.  I would be spitting nails.

Oct 17, 2010 06:18 AM