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Does the Owner Know Their Property is For Sale?

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Commercial Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Realty Southwest 0576394

I work with a lot of commercial buyers and investors, so many agents will forward me their listings. I attend Realtor networking functions to discuss and exchange listing inventory. I get approached by more agents at networking organizations I'm involved in. Sometimes it feels like I'm on the trading floor of the stock market with all the attention and agent dealing frenzy.

"Mike! Mike! I might have a listing you can sell to your clients!"

The problem with might  having a listing means there is no signed listing agreement. That means there is no commission agreement to protect me or the other agent if I bring a qualified buyer. It means there is no official representation of the owner or the property. Are these pocket listings? When I follow up for more information such as financial or a seller's disclosure for my prospective buyers the "might listed" agents disappear.

I have a better chance of walking up to the property and knocking on the door to make an offer than the agent has of selling it. I do not like pocket listings. I believe every listing should be on the market to expose it to as many potential buyers as possible to sell it as quickly as possible for the highest amount.

Does the owner know their property is listed for sale?

Another trend I'm seeing lately is properties listed on craigslist or posted on non MLS sites that are NOT for sale. At a recent event I noticed a familiar commercial investor in the community and struck up a conversation about a property he owns "for sale" that I'm interested in.

The problem is the property is not for sale and the owner never talked to anyone about selling it. Turns out another agent created flyers and posted ads for the property to generate leads. I love forwarding the information to the owner to contact those agents. Sometimes I offer to contact the agents on the owner's behalf to let them know we are aware of the fraud.

Who are all these people knocking on my door?

Another example I found out about a year ago was when I was marketing a rental property. Within days I had a tenant ready to move in and removed it from being active on the market. I did not know another agent from another company copied my listing onto craigslist with their contact information posing as the listing agent. The tenant was already moved in and was constantly approached by people driving by the home. Running a search in Google revealed the fake listing ad agent. A few minutes later I was on the phone with him and his Broker.

The tenants were afraid to let their children play in the yard because the house was being approached so often by strangers. The fake listing agent was purposely advertising the property for much less than the lease price to generate leads.

Unfortunately these agents are destroying the integrity of our industry. I realized it's futile to defend everyone in our industry. So I focus on my own reputation and image. I position myself as the professional to protect their best interests. When they are ready to list, I almost always get the first call and walk away with the listing. After all why would they trust anyone else? 

Ronald DiLalla
Century 21 Discovery DRE 01813824 - Anaheim, CA
No. Orange Cty Real Estate

Hi Mike...great post....just wondering....are those agents being  turned in and are they getting their hands slapped for their unethical behavior?

May 10, 2011 06:22 PM
Mike Wong
Keller Williams Realty Southwest - Sugar Land, TX
Realtor: Commercial, Residential, Leasing, Invest

Rosalie was it an agent or someone pretending to be an agent on craigslist?

Vickiefortunately we can separate ourselves from the rest with professional and ethical standards.

Mary I'm disappointed to report this was a Realtor engaging in this activity.

Evelyn the agents are reported to the local board and state licensing committee.

Charles sorry I missed you at the event, looking forward to catching you at another local event.

Jeanne that is a great idea, thanks for sharing the tips.

Ronald I report them if it is my listing or any listing from my office. If its a competing Broker's listing I email them the evidence and a link to report the agent in violation.

May 10, 2011 06:56 PM
Breanna Ochoa
Metro Realty Partners - Houston, TX
Realtor - Houston, Sugar Land, Pearland

craigslist hijacking is rampant. it is a violation of board rules and while I don't like to be a snitch, agents who are flagrantly violating the rules of the board and of general ethics should be reported. Good post Mike.

May 10, 2011 06:59 PM
Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

Its real hard to put something together with out a listing in place ...and the good old Criagslist buyer grabs what can you say?

May 10, 2011 07:25 PM
Scott Fogleman
New Home Team - Richmond, VA

Its terrible agents would do such a thing. I often hear of scammers putting property on craigslist but never an agent who was generating leads....

May 10, 2011 09:50 PM
Cheryl Ritchie
RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com - Huntingtown, MD
Southern Maryland 301-980-7566
There are a lot of spam comments lately on the featured posts! My understanding is that you have to have a valid listing to market a property.
May 10, 2011 09:52 PM
Fernando Herboso - Associate Broker MD, & VA
Maxus Realty Group of Samson Properties - Clarksburg, MD
301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA

What is breaking the integrity of our business are scammers stealing our listings and turning them into rentals. . specially the ones advertised as vacant with the combo box open to the public.

May 10, 2011 11:16 PM
Mary Sitton Real Estate Team
Mary Sitton Real Estate Team - - Hendersonville, NC
Realtor® - Western North Carolina

Yikes!  That's a clear case of fraud.  I believe you should take screen shots of the evidence and pass it on to your local Board of Realtors.  The agent should not be allowed to use the REALTOR® logo or have access to the MLS if they can't follow the code of Ethics.

 

May 10, 2011 11:55 PM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

Lots of great real estate agents, brokers, REALTORS doing it right, getting the job done. Taking care of business with no intrique or Jack Horner I'm better than most approach too.

May 11, 2011 12:37 AM
Mike Yeo
3:16 team REALTY - Frisco, TX

Mike - I have a listing in Timbuktu that I think will be perfect for your client. Can I call you? HAHA!

May 11, 2011 02:26 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Mike, I hope this is not the trend on Craigslist. Advertise other agents listings to get leads. I hope you are taking appropriate action.

May 11, 2011 02:29 AM
Mike Wong
Keller Williams Realty Southwest - Sugar Land, TX
Realtor: Commercial, Residential, Leasing, Invest

Breanna nice hearing from you. I believe it's our responsibility to make sure our listings are represented as intended. Its unfortunate we have to police the internet and craigslist to do so.

Chuck you are so right, all those "might have deals" never made progress for me.

Scott my associates and I were shocked as well to learn agents were involved in this. The Brokers claimed they were unaware of their agent's behavior. The agents claim they did not know it was wrong despite multiple complaints and reports.

Cheryl looks like the craigslist garbage is spamming my blog in retaliation. I reported it instead of deleting it so Active Rain is aware.

Fernando hopefully I never hear about a combo given to the public in my market. People used to call and ask me years ago, now they know better.

Mary that is exactly what we do. We actually have multiple brokerage companies participating against a consistent violator. They are getting savy now and removing their names and using a unlisted cell phone.

Andrew we stick to doing things right. The desperate ones resorting to measures like this will fail out of the industry, or be thrown out by their peers.

Mike call me anytime brother! I had someone approach me to purchase a private island last year and it was a legit listing!

Michael unfortunately it was pretty rampant on craigslist by a couple of agents at the same time. Since we have been reporting them and filing complaints it has slowed down but it still continues.

 

 

May 11, 2011 03:23 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

Mike: I enjoyed reading your post and have seen some of the same trends. Lots of weird stuff on Craiglist for sure.

May 11, 2011 04:00 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Those that practice and abide the rules and the regs will stand out more thanks in part to the scammers and opportunists who prey on people for a buck. The wrong doers provide a contrast. Between now and the end, everyone gets what they deserve...What will be shocking about pure justice is that your own measure is used on you...Knowing this now can guarantee a good outcome later and encourages proper conduct for some...good post and host and thank you Mike

May 11, 2011 04:09 AM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ

I run all my listing by address through Craiglist, looking for people advertising my property, I found one on the web great site but my property priced low.

May 11, 2011 04:22 AM
Irene Kennedy Realtor® in Northwestern NJ
Weichert - Lopatcong, NJ

Egads, Mike. I've not knowingly encountered this and hope that trends continues. LOL.

May 11, 2011 04:58 AM
Adam Mallory
eBroker Real Estate 619-566-ADAM - San Diego, CA
Broker, ABR, e-Pro

"...another agent created flyers and posted ads for the property to generate leads..."

WOW!  In California people lose their licenses for actions like those.

May 11, 2011 05:26 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

I've never heard of a property being For Sale, and the owner didn't know it!  Amazing. 

May 11, 2011 05:28 AM
Rita Fong
RE/MAX REAL ESTATE TODAY, Executive Broker 901-488-9590 - Marion, AR
Realtor - Marion Arkansas Homes for Sale

Mike, does it only happen in Texas?  lol.  Wow, there are some very "brave" agents out there who are willing to do anything to get business.

May 11, 2011 06:10 AM
Mary Ann Daniell Realtor
Coldwell Banker United, Realtors - Subsidiary of NRT LLC - Killeen, TX
Delivering Successful Results Since 1999

Agents AND brokers are doing things lately that are so unethical it's embarassing.  Our board is in constant alert mode for one certain brokerage that is listing properties that have no listing agreements evidently.,, all to generate leads.    So sad to see these sort of activities, because they reflect on the rest of us who respect our license and all the responsbilities that go with it. 

May 11, 2011 07:39 AM