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Third hand smoke...Can this effect the price of a home and inspections?

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Real Estate Agent with Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon

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Third hand smoke...Can this effect the price of a home and inspections?

I was just reading an article in my MORE© Magazine titled Ghosts of smokers past where the first paragraph says "If you're hunting for a new home, add "smoking history" to your inspection list".

Well..that sure caught my attention! These days the inpection list is getting longer and longer..radon, underground oil tanks,mold etc. on top of your basic home inspection, will be be seeing this one in the future?

We all know the dangers of first and second hand smoke...but what about third hand smoke?

The study basically says that the carcinogens and gunk from cigarette smoke lingers in a home long after the smokers have gone and the home has been cleaned..up to five to seven times the nicotine levels of non-smokers homes.

I don't know about you but have you ever gone into a hotel room that was at one time a smoking room, but it's now deemed a non-smoking one? I can tell you that I always can tell by the scent that lingers in the rooms..most likely from the walls and carpeting..even the drapes if they hadn't been changed out.

We've all shown homes that you can tell intantly that someone smokes in the house. Is there a price deduction that goes with this when selling? What would be the outcome of an inspection be where it found high levels of nicotine and carcinogens in a home when the sellers are non-smokers..yet the previous owners before them were? Would there have to be a remediation of some kind in the home? Will this be another thing added to the Seller's Property Disclosures down the line?

Third hand smoke...Can this effect the price of a home and inspections?

 

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Peggy Hughes/pha logistix, inc.
pha logistix inc - San Francisco, CA
SF NYC LA

WOW, Cindy... you raise an interesting point!  I'll be sure to check back and see how others feel about this situation.  As someone who is now smoke-free for 17 years... I know I wouldn't want to live in a home that has residual effects of smoking.

May 31, 2011 06:02 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Cindy - It's been my experience, based solely on observation, that homes that smell like smoke don't sell well at all. Buyers will seldom put such a home on the top of their list. Not as bad as cat pee, but a close second.

May 31, 2011 06:03 AM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Peggy, The article suggests that the smoke can linger in a home for a while..even after cleaned. I know I've seen homes that have had the nasty cigarette smell..and have gone back after it was vacant where the seller had to paint every area..walls, ceilings and change out the carpet. I couldn't smell it anymore..so it seemed like this would need to be done.

May 31, 2011 06:24 AM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Dick...oh, don't get me started on cat pee! I showed a home once where the family felt it necessary to sit around and smoke while we were there. The house literally had ashtrays loading with ciggy butts all over the place. We went down to the lower level where a couple of bedrooms were and the smell of cat pee was SOOOO strong that I had to leave. My clients still wanted to make an offer which I tried to talk them out of..she was pregnant with her third and had some young ones still. It wasn't until the inspector came up from the lower level with a mask on saying he found areas where there was a foot of cat poop did they finally decide to not move forward. Now that was one house where I felt the need to shower up after viewing..and did stop on the way home to get those disinfectent wipes for my car.

May 31, 2011 06:29 AM
Peter Pfann @ eXp Realty Pfanntastic Properties in Victoria, Since 1986.
eXp Realty, Victoria BC www.pfanntastic.com - Victoria, BC
Talk To or Text Peter 250-213-9490

Hi Cindy,

Great post and yes it is very obvious, even if the potential buyer smokes, that in all but very few cases, smokers evidence often kills a deal faster than anything else.

And It would make sense to have it included in listing data

May 31, 2011 08:58 AM
Mary Stewart
HomeTrust Real Estate, LLC, Homes for Everyone - Wilsonville, OR
Wilsonville and Surrounding Portland Metro Areas

Hi Cindy,  Really good post and reminder about smoke.  The only thing I know that will remedy this in a home is not only a good cleaning, but new carpets, fresh paint on all walls and woodwork if possible, even inside of the cabinets if needed.  I am not sure if the smoke goes through the fresh paint, that has not been my experience, but my nose is so sensitive to the smell that I immediately stuff up and begin sneezing.

May 31, 2011 11:02 AM
Karen Baker
Sunset Beach and Beyond Realty - Sunset Beach, NC
Professional Help with Rapid Responses...

Cindy ~ Now that is scary information about homes of smokers ~ Just crazy knowing it lingers...my nose can smell it a mile away!!

May 31, 2011 12:30 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Cindy, I have been harping on this for years---way worse than mold in most cases.  This stuff is bad for everyone---especially small children---not just a few sensitive individuals.

May 31, 2011 03:53 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Peter and Linda, I'm sure it's just a matter of time after more and more statistics come out about third hand smoke. We now have to have a carbon monoxide detector in homes that are on the market, wonder if they'll come out with a detector that you can plug in that will pick up the smoke residue.

May 31, 2011 04:28 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Mary, I rememember one of my first jobs was housekeeping in a nursing home. The worst rooms were always the employees loung/locker areas..especially back in the 70's when LOTS of people smoked. I remember cleaning the front of the lockers one day and the nicotine was just dripping down..very discusting for me at the time and thought of how that just sits on all surfaces. YUCK

May 31, 2011 04:31 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi David, It is a good thing that the smoker homes are not as common as in the past...or like you said, better in certain locals. I still do encounter them though every now and then and the nose picks it right up. Better to have those nice hardwoods than a carpet that holds all sorts of stuff...and they are just SO much nicer looking.

May 31, 2011 04:33 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Frank and Karen, It is scary that this stuff can stick around and linger on stuff long after the smokers have gone. Just reading that makes you wonder how often we brush things off as allergies when it could be smoke residue. I guess that is an allergy of sorts.

May 31, 2011 04:37 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Charles, Just reading about how a smoker can leave residue on a crib hand rail from there fingers was enough. I remember my sons teething on that rail as soon as they could stand. Non smokers..so not an issue for us, but when you think of all those that smoke..not good. I didn't look to see if there are even tests out that would detect this, thinking too in the early stages for the third hand smoke testers.

May 31, 2011 04:40 PM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

In NYC, they just recently went as far as to pass a law that says you can't smoke in a public space like a park or a beach. There's a $50.00 fine if you don't want to put out your cigarette, after being asked.  It'll be hard to enforce but they're relying on the general population to scream at you, embarrass you, etc. to get you to comply. Obviously, this law has a lot of supporters. I'm not a smoker, but I think we may be getting carried away a little. I know it's harmful, but outside? It's probably not worse than car exhaust or other forms of pollution.  These people have to have a place to go. After all, cigarettes are still sold in stores.

Jun 01, 2011 02:12 AM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Jill, They just changed the law here in Portland last year that you can't smoke in any place...so all those pubs and bars that were places that a smoker could go to are all non smoking. I'm with you, even though I'm not a smoker, I think there should be places that they can go and enjoy a ciggy if they want..their choice and it would be MY choice whether I wanted to go there or not. We've come a long way since we were able to smoke on planes, inside malls and movie theatres! In those instances, I think it's a good thing as they are enclosed public spaces.

Jun 01, 2011 02:48 AM
Karen Seeman
Exit on the Hudson Realty - Tenafly, NJ
CDPE, (201) 247-0556, bergencountyhomes4sale.c

Cindy! 

My mother-in-law's house was on the market last year.  She had been a living in the house since the mid 70s.  The couple both smoked.  The walls had a slick texture and had turned a dingy orange. Third hand smoke certainly could pose an issue.  Even with ripping out the carpets, getting rid of drapery, it still stays in airconditioning vents.  Even wood floors are affected.

One of my clients spent quite a bit of money making renovations on the home. Unfortunately, smoking immediately turned off many that toured the home. How does a Realtor tactfully deal with this? 

It's hard to make a legal substance illegal.

Putting the genie back in the bottle has never been an easy task.

Jun 03, 2011 08:31 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Karen, It is pretty gross when you think of how the smoke just permeates into the walls and air conditioning vents. One pretty much has to re-paint every surface, change the ducts, and get new carpeting to get rid of it. This is very costly and not many want to deal with it. I wonder if smokers notice the smell when looking at homes.

Jun 04, 2011 04:44 AM