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My Ex-wife Decided to Short Sell Her House and I am Still on the Mortgage

Reblogger Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

 

This is exactly the situation where you do not have the answers. Some comments are also fascinating, and they are from both sides of the fence, so it is even more complicated that it seems initially.

I think this is one of the best blogs I read in  quite some time. Makes us think, and makes us cognizant of the issues and the complexity of resolving them.

Original content by Dave Halpern

Spouses incur so many risks when they decide NOT to get rid of the marital home and the marital mortgage debt.

If the house is “underwater” or has an “upside down mortgage”, they can short sale the house before or after the divorce is final. Waiting to sell after the divorce could spell disaster.

Just look at these questions asked by a concerned ex-husband who has lost control

  • My ex-wife decided to short sell the house after the divorce. I am still on the original mortgage. The court had awarded her this home a few years ago when we divorced. The house is worth about $100,000 less than the mortgage. What are the ramifications for me, having a a good job and assets?
  • The lender may forgive the deficiency and issue me a 1099-c for their losses which may become taxable income to me.
  • I heard that when the home is a primary residence the borrower may be exempt from paying taxes on the cancelled debt. But, will I have to pay tax, since technically that home is not my primary residence anymore?
  • Will I have to pay taxes on the whole amount or just on half with the ex-wife paying tax on the other half?
  • Does being divorced and house being awarded to the ex make any difference what so ever?
  • Another scenario may be the bank not forgiving the deficiency. Will the bank then sue me alone, since I am employed and my ex is not?
  • If the bank gets a deficiency judgment what power does that give them? Wage garnishment? Sweeping money out of my bank accounts? Forcing the sale of my assets?
  • How do I contain my losses?
  • What other risks am I incurring that I don’t even know about?

Wow. The problem is these are all valid questions.

All the above questions have complicated and fact-specific answers that need to be addressed by divorce attorneys, tax attorneys or CPA’s. A debt specialist attorney such as bankruptcy attorney or collections attorney may need to be consulted, also.

IT IS VERY RISKY TO LEAVE THE MARITAL MORTGAGE DEBT INTACT AFTER THE DIVORCE!

The frustrating problem is these questions should have been addressed and reflected in the divorce agreement that was crafted years prior.

  • The post-short sale or post-foreclosure tax and judgment burdens may be disproportionately carried by the husband, in this case.
  • These heavy losses were probably not calculated in the division of assets agreement.
  • How likely is it the divorce agreement will be amended and have the ex-wife sell assets or write a check to the ex-husband to cover his new disproportionate burden? Not very likely.
  • Who will pay the divorce attorneys to negotiate a new deal?

The Lesson: Pay Careful Attention to the Future Risks of the Marital Mortgage Debt

Yes, the habitual residence is a key consideration of child custody issues. Yes, keeping the marital home is often a trophy and a victory. But in a depressed housing market the mortgage debt may explode later on, causing more damage to one or both of the ex-spouses than the financial or emotional victories gained in the divorce battle.

During the divorce, the spouses and the divorce lawyers should consult with a Realtor who is a short sale specialist. The Realtor should also specialize in divorce situations.

In the Louisville KY are please call Dave Halpern any time at (502) 664-7827.

 

Dave Halpern

Real Estate Broker, Louisville Short Sale Expert Realtors

(502) 664-7827

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Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jon, I have seen so many sellers, and many Realtors as well, who know that the ex-husband has "quit claimed" his interest in the home to his ex-wife.  The problem almost always is... they all that does is take away any control the ex-husband has over the home... but pretty-much does nothing as far as being responsible for the mortgage.

A line in the post says "IT IS VERY RISKY TO LEAVE THE MARITAL MORTGAGE DEBT INTACT AFTER THE DIVORCE! "

Sure, this does make sense, but the only way the debt will not be an obligation of the ex-husband is if the ex-wife refinances it.  That is usually impossible, because she bought with both her and her husband's income, and her getting a new loan based on her income only is not something she would qualify for.

Jun 07, 2011 03:48 PM
Cindy Westfall
Premiere Property Group,LLC Portland Metro & Suburbs Oregon - Tualatin, OR
ABR,GRI Your Tualatin & Portland Metro Real Estate

Hi Jon, Thanks for the re-blog on this one as I missed it! I have a friend who has these issues as well..although it is the husband that is living in the home and her name is still on it. She is fortunately consulting a lawyer but might be a little to late for it not to effect her. Not many people think of these things happening at the time of divorce with so many other emotions and things going on.

Jun 07, 2011 03:54 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Karen Anne - but Quit Claiming will only work if there is no mortgage. Otherwise it is a transfer of interest, and the accelleration clause kicks in. I understand that this is particularly difficult when there is negative equity.

And I also understand that people when in divorce rarely have the ability and the desire to think of every ramification of the divorce.

Jun 07, 2011 04:06 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

John, that is what I was trying to say.  Quit-claiming does NOTHING as far as being obligated to the mortgage.  I cannot remember a divorce case where there was no mortgage on the house.  And actually, it is not a transfer of interest, but an abandonment of interest.  When the home eventually sells, the ex-husband still has to sign off on it.

Now... remember... this may change from state to state.  Things are often very different.  What I have written I KNOW is the case in both Ohio and Texas.  Other states... I have no clue about.

Jun 07, 2011 04:31 PM
Maya Swamy
Funds Available - Long Beach, CA
Ph.D. Long Beach, CA - fundsavailable.com

Sounds like a very complicated situation but it does seem they are likely to come after the husband for the money. Maybe the family court judge will make some adjustment to come up with an equitable solutions.

Jun 07, 2011 08:11 PM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

 

Jon,

Thanks for reblogging and thanks for your intro! Short sale Realtors end up fixing problems years after the divorce is final.

Jun 07, 2011 11:22 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Cindy - these are the last things people in divorce think about. Expecially in nasty divorces. And then one or both sides leave themselves open, and in adversarial relationship people even can try to hurt the other party

Jun 08, 2011 09:48 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Karen Anne - here in Florida youc an't do the Quit Claim Deed without the Lender agreeing to that. There are situations when the Lender would agree (adding a parent or a son/daughter to the Deed), but taking someone off the Deed is highly unlikely, as the Lender does not want to diminish their chances to collect.

Jun 08, 2011 09:50 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Maya - yes, it is complicated. My understanding is that judges do not interfere with mortgages (and I am glad it is this way).

Thhis is one of the things that people have to decide, even though divorce is not the best situation to sit down and decide

Jun 08, 2011 09:52 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Dave - I am sure many people have reblogged this exccelent post. Thank you

Jun 08, 2011 09:53 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jon, in Texas, and I would think in other states, an ex-husband who is ordered by the court to Quit Claim his interest in the property... can do that.  It does not transfer his interest... he just drops his "claim" to it.  It also does nothing to his obligation on the mortgage.  He is still responsible for paying that, and it will continue to affect his credit.  These two items are not connected... at least in Texas or Ohio.

Quit claiming his interest in the property is not the same as trying to sell the property to another buyer... and trying to do seller financing... while you still have a mortgage on the property.  In that case, if the seller does try and deed the property over to the new buyer... and if the lender gets word of it... they CAN use the acceleration clause, and demand the mortgage be paid in full.

Jun 08, 2011 09:58 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Also... quit claiming his interest creates a "cloud" on the title, and if and when the wife sells it, at least in Texas, the husband... even though he quit claimed his interest in it... will still have to sign off on that interest formally so the title and deed can be conveyed to the new seller.

Jun 08, 2011 10:03 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Karen Anne - thank you for the explanation. I guess there is more to it than I thought. Even though there are differences in the States, I think it may be not the case  here, and I simply do not know it. So, thank you.

I am not sure about the  second comment. We have see a sale here, where there were 5 people on the title, and then they Quit Claimed to 3 out of 5, thus removing themselves from the Title. In 5-6 years the 3 owners sold their property and only they signed the  documents.

We were involved on both sales

Jun 08, 2011 04:15 PM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Jon, remember the example in the post, and the one I described... spoke of two people who were married when they took title.  If one of them quit claims their interest... I believe that person... either ex-husband, or ex-wife... has to sign off on what is called their dower or their curtsey right. 

I am guessing that the multiple owners in your example you mentioned... that neither of the two who quit claimed their interest were married to the three who remained.  Was that the case ?

Jun 08, 2011 04:22 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Karen Anne - no, they were not married. I guess this is the key

Jun 08, 2011 04:26 PM