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How Dare You Blame My Lender for the Low Appraisal!!!

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE RB14023803

How dare you blame my lender for the low appraisal!  When we were negotiating this transaction, I told you I did not agree with the list price and did not understand how you came up with the value. You continued to tell me what a great house it was and I told you it would have to appraise.  When the appraisal came back $15,000 less than the agreed upon price, you admitted you had gone back two years to find higher pricedPointing Angry Woman sales!

How dare you allow your sellers to believe that something underhanded was going on when the appraisal came back exactly at the same value as our first offer!  As I always do before making any offer, I ran comparables for my buyers and discovered you were way over priced.  It is not my fault that I did my homework better than you did yours!

How dare you suggest that since your sellers have to come down by $15,000, my buyer should accept the home in As-Is condition!  The appraisal and the inspection are two completely different issues.  My buyer does not know your sellers.  What makes you think he should help them make up their loss?  He has his own preferred charities to which he can contribute.

How dare you think you can change reality by playing hardball!  Intimidation and nastiness did not work this time around. So glad you finally came to your senses, realized you were in the wrong, and helped me pull this transaction together!

Author’s note:  My last transaction with this agent, who happens to be the owner/broker for one of the larger franchises in my area, was eleven years ago when I was a brand new agent.  He was very intimidating and unkind back then.  His selling style has not changed, but he was up against a different Pat Haddad this time around. 

I believe in killing with kindness and professionalism and that is exactly how I handled this man.  I wound up explaining HVCC to him and that AMC’s now assign appraisers.  I told him that he should not be going back any farther than six months to pull his comps—certainly not two years!  I only raised my voice once and that was to let him know that I did not appreciate him tarnishing my reputation by allowing his clients to believe there was something funny going on between the appraiser and myself.  Ahhhhhhhhhhh, the sweet feeling of revenge.  After carrying bad memories of one of my first transactions for all of these years, I can now put it to rest once and for all.

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Barbara Altieri
Better Homes and Gardens RE Shore and Country Properties - Shelton, CT
REALTOR-Fairfield County CT Homes/Condos For Sale

Pat -- I still can't wrap my head around the broker going back TWO years to establish value??

Jun 25, 2011 07:51 AM
Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

Congratulations. You handled that process well! If I could go back 2 years, all my listings would be way overpriced. Let's go back to interest only mo doc loans while were at it. Might as well make it as easy as possible for us to sell out listings.

Jun 25, 2011 10:04 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

She who laughs last . . . as that saying goes.  I'm glad to read that the deal closed.  A reality check to be sure, and I'm sure your buyers appreciate all that you did for them.  Lenders and appraisers are quite independent of each other these days.

Jun 25, 2011 12:08 PM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Thank you for your post today and story.  So glad it worked out.  I enjoyed the read.

 

Patricia Aulson/ Seacoast NH & ME REALTOR

Jun 25, 2011 01:54 PM
Dale Baker
Baker Energy Audits and Commercial Properties Inspections - Claremont, NH
New Hampshire Relocation Real Estate Information

Howdy and evening to you Pat

Pat,
its really to bad that some folks feel they need to put things off on others. Just in order to feel better about themselves and to feel they have done things right.

Have a good one
Dale in New Hampshire

Jun 25, 2011 04:03 PM
Robert Savage
Bakersfield Property Solutions - Bakersfield, CA
Bakersfield Short Sales, Property Management, Cash

I think hvcc has done more harm than good but at least in this situation it certainly protects us as agents.

Some agents are just bullies. Glad to hear that your experience has helped you build enough confidence to stand up to the bully.

Jun 25, 2011 05:45 PM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

It is a business.  If he can find someone to pay over appraised price for it then he should.  Otherwise he should be nice and take your offer.

Jun 26, 2011 07:40 AM
Brin Realty Associates Team At Bean Group
Bean Group | Brin Realty Associates - Amherst, NH
Amherst NH homes and Southern NH real estate

WOO HOO Pat, way to go.  I love this story and how you explained it to him and it wasn't the same Pat Haddad as eleven years ago...love it!

Jun 26, 2011 11:25 AM
Faye Y. Taylor
StepStone Realty, LLC - Floresville, TX
Country Living with City Convenience -Wilson Co TX

Congrats!  It is our job to know our area and to try to stop the overpricers.

We have a Realtor like that around here and everyone knows it.  I wrote into one of my contracts that if the house did not appraise the seller would reimburse the appraisal fee.  The seller is a builder who uses this Realtor all the time and the Realtor had no trouble with that clause.   I had explained to my buyers I thought the home was overpriced but they wanted it anyway and were willing to pay the asking price.  Well, he drove the appraiser around to help him "look" at the comps.   OUTSIDE the subdivision!!   I think it is a lazy appraiser who was being spoon fed.

It comp'd and the house was bought but I was ticked as I was hoping my buyers would get it at a lower price when it appraised.  He plays games by taking homes off market & readding them as new with a different address.  Can you say "rosewood" vs Rose wood"  or Lot 25 Rose wood instead of  3456 Rosewood?  We have complained to the Board who does NOTHING. 

Now what do you do about the "non local" appraisers who are LOUSY?  I know it is not the lenders fault but how do we get rid of the LOUSY appraisers?    I have a Members Only post today about my last experience with a VA appraiser.  I would like feedback from other agents.

Jun 26, 2011 04:38 PM
Margaret Rome Baltimore 410-530-2400
HomeRome Realty 410-530-2400 - Pikesville, MD
Sell Your Home With Margaret Rome

In all the years of being in real estate...Success is the very best revenge!

Thanks to Praful for the reblog.

Margaret

Jun 26, 2011 05:10 PM
Allen 2222
Austin, TX

Way to stick to your guns, Pat. What I don't get is what the other bully-agent thought he was doing that was in the best interests of his client - maybe ruin the deal, so it can go back on the market, with them knowing it's not going to appraise AND the BOM might give some folks pause before coming to see it or writing an offer?

Jun 26, 2011 06:12 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Eleven years makes a big difference!  That's great that this transaction worked out well, even with the methods of the broker - as someone else mentioned above, I can't believe he was going back 2 years to establish a price either.  What's up with that?

thanks for sharing!

Jun 26, 2011 11:30 PM
The Scott Loper Team Bux-Mont Premier Properties
Keller Williams Real Estate - Montgomeryville - Lansdale, PA

Hi Pat,

Wow, good for you.  I like the arguments you laid out.  Well done.

Lisa

Jun 27, 2011 01:26 AM
Sherri Berry
Reliant Realty, Murfreesboro - Murfreesboro, TN
Murfreesboro TN Homes & Real Estate

Congratualtions Pat!  I know it must have been a frustrating deal and it sounds like you acted professional and were able to keep your buyer's interest first.  Way to go!!

Jun 27, 2011 03:18 AM
Phil Leng
Retired - Kirkland, WA
Phil Leng - Retired

Hi Pat,

Bruce Hardie tells a similar story from Spokane. For his first sale he rehearsed 10 times, knew the contract backwards and forwards, and presented to an old time broker. He discovered the man had not even read the newer contract forms, but still intimidated and belittled him.

When Bruce was running 150 transactions a year, and this same broker came to present an offer on one of HIS listings, Bruce says he was much more humble!

Phil

Jun 27, 2011 03:57 AM
Marchel Peterson
Results Realty - Spring, TX
Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro

Pat, I'm glad you were able to pull it together and he was able to see the light of day!!!!!!!

Jun 27, 2011 03:52 PM
Maya Swamy
Funds Available - Long Beach, CA
Ph.D. Long Beach, CA - fundsavailable.com

HI I came here from Donne's call out. Like others I am still stuck at the idea that he went back 2 years. Boom market or declining how on earth did he justify that to himself?

Jun 27, 2011 04:23 PM
Jennifer Manchester
Suburban Properties of Charlotte, LLC - Mint Hill, NC
GRI, ePRO, ASP - Broker/Home Stager

Isn't it funny when you are working with a buyer and know the house probably won't appraise and state so how it just seems to go right over everyone's head?  No matter how you present the offer ie, explaining your offer is based off comps and asking the other side which one's they used,  it never ceases to amaze me how hostile the other side can be.  It is even more amusing (usually after the fact) that they expect the buyer to have to "give something up" because they are losing money.

I always say, you can't lose something you never had and listing prices are "asking prices",  the ultimate value is determined by the buyer and the bank.

Jun 28, 2011 05:48 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Geez Pat that must have felt really good.  A huge sigh of relief in the Big Payback.  You slammed this one lady.

Jun 28, 2011 08:25 AM
Pat Haddad, ABR, CRS, ePRO, GRI
Keller Williams Indianapolis Metro NE - Carmel, IN
Carmel, Fishers, Westfield IN Real Estate Expert

Thanks to everyone who has commented!  It seems that most of us have experienced similar transactions.  It certainly is more fun to be on the buying side when the appraisal comes in low!  I will be making my way to all of your blogs in the next few days!

Jun 29, 2011 04:31 PM