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Vacant Houses Don't Have More Radon

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Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

As a Minnesota home inspector who does a lot of radon testing, I hear a lot of myths about radon being repeated over and over again.  I've actually heard other home inspectors perpetuate a few of these radon myths as well.

Myth: vacant houses have high levels of radon. The idea behind this myth is that radon will build up in a house while it's sitting vacant, so a radon test on a vacant house won't be accurate.  This simply isn't true.  Radon has a very short half-life; as radon particles die off, they're replaced with new ones.  A radon test conducted on a vacant house will be just as accurate as a test conducted at an occupied home, all things being equal.

Myth: radon is mostly found in older houses. In reality, the radon doesn't care how old the house is.  Both new and old houses can have radon problems; we have found zero correlation between radon levels and the age of the home.

The one bit of unintentional truth to this myth is that starting in June of 2009, Minnesota began requiring passive radon mitigation systems in all new construction homes.  We've performed many radon tests on these new homes, and have yet to find a single new construction house with a high radon level.

Myth: opening the second story windows shouldn't affect the radon test, because the test is located in the basement. The problem with this myth is that houses act like chimneys.  Opening the windows on the second floor might actually increase the radon levels in the home.  For a valid test, the windows in the house need to be kept closed.

Myth: radon tests should always be placed in the lowest level of the home. If the home has a crawl space or a basement that nobody will be spending any time in, why in the world would you want to know what the radon level is down there?  If you're testing your own home, put the test in the lowest level of the home that you use regularly.  For a real estate transaction, the radon test should be placed in the lowest level of the home that could be used regularly.

Myth: radon tests aren't needed for homes with walkout basements. While we've found that radon levels in homes with walkout basements tend to generally be lower, this is certainly no guarantee that the radon levels will be low.  The highest radon level we've found at a home with a walkout basement was nearly four times higher than the EPA action level.

Myth: granite countertops have an effect on radon levels in a home. This myth gained popularity in 2008 because of a media scare.  You don't need to worry about granite countertops.  They're fine.  You can read more about this myth here - radon in granite.

Myth: you need to hire a professional to test for radon. The do-it-yourself radon test kits that you buy online or at a home improvement store will work just fine.  It takes a little longer to get the results, but these kits are far less expensive than hiring a professional to test your home for radon.

Myth: holy water will keep radon from entering a home. Ok, I made that last one up.  That concludes my list of the most common myths about radon.

Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

I attended an inspection meeting with all parties and the inspector announces that the 1 acre lot and the house on it is built on top of granite and that granite gives off radon and then paused...I cringed thinking this guy is killing my deal when he then said, but it is minor and granite is a rock solid foundation to have a house built on in case of earthquake...What a roller coaster ride that was.....thank you Reuben

Jul 12, 2011 01:48 AM
Daniel H. Fisher
www.FisherHermanRealty.com (704) 617-3544 - Charlotte, NC
MCRP - Charlotte Real Estate, NC or SC

interesting info about radon. in north carolina, the informational site is www.ncRadon.org. I like the idea of a passive radon control system - not much up front cost and a time and $$ saver if there is a future problem

Jul 12, 2011 02:42 AM
Pat Zachow
HomeSmart - Phoenix, AZ

Hi Reuben,  Sure are a lot of myths I never heard of.  Who knows maybe I will!  Are you sure about the Holy Water?

Jul 12, 2011 02:48 AM
Eileen Hsu
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

You have definitely demonstrated your expertise in regards to Radon.  I didn't know about many of these myths, but clearly you did and that's why a homeowner needs a home inspector like yourself as a part of their team.

Jul 12, 2011 03:32 AM
Kerissa Payne
The Kerissa Payne Team at eXp Realty - Tyler, TX
ABR, SRS, e-PRO, SRES

Thank you for the information!

Jul 12, 2011 04:11 AM
Robert Hammerstein -
Christie's International Real Estate - Hillsdale, NJ
Bergen County NJ Real Estate

Reuben - thanks for this information. It's always good to know more about this. Thanks

Jul 12, 2011 04:18 AM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

Reuben,

This is very worthwhile and very informative. I've bookmarked this and will use it as a reference.

Thanks,

Brian

Jul 12, 2011 04:40 AM
Morgan Evans
Douglas Elliman Real Estate - Manhattan, NY
LICENSED REAL ESTATE SALESPERSON

Lots of information I had no idea existed, we don't encounter a lot of Radon testing in Manhattan, but it's always good to know.

Jul 12, 2011 05:36 AM
Barbara Altieri
Better Homes and Gardens RE Shore and Country Properties - Shelton, CT
REALTOR-Fairfield County CT Homes/Condos For Sale

Reuben -- I have come across many people who think new homes don't need to be tested.  Wrong. Also, have had people tell me their neighbors were tested and if their home was ok, then all the others  in the immediate area would be ok as well. Wrong again.  Great information!

Jul 12, 2011 06:05 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Most be all the holy water in the Catholic churches here.:)

I've never been asked about it even, in 5 years of inspecting.

Geologically this area is a glacial era lake bed and the thick basal layer of clay would function as a impremiable boundary layer to stop gasses.

But it is not uniform, there are rock out crops, so there can always be exceptions to the general rule. The only way to know is to test.

Jul 12, 2011 07:24 AM
Chris Smith
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage - New Tecumseth, ON
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta

Reuben, another post with great information.  Radon has not been publicized in Canada to same level as the U.S., but we will get there soon.

Jul 12, 2011 07:56 AM
Barbara-Jo Roberts Berberi, MA, PSA, TRC - Greater Clearwater Florida Residential Real Estate Professional
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Clearwater, FL
Palm Harbor, Dunedin, Clearwater, Safety Harbor

Where do people come up with this stuff? Great post to clear up questions for those who don't know.

Jul 12, 2011 08:13 AM
Victor Zuniga
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services California Properties - San Diego, CA

This is good to know, even though we in CA> really don't have an issue with Radon, because even though we don't have many homes with basements we do have out of state buyers that ask about this issue.

Jul 12, 2011 08:35 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

You forgot if there are no spiders there is radon in the house. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that one.

Jul 12, 2011 09:28 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Thanks for reading everyone!

Gita - I've heard that one too.

Salley & David - I hear that one about houses being vacant all the time.

Clint - when there's a service I never get requests for, I just turn it away :)

Kevin - I remember that.

Jay - that must be a regional myth.  I've never heard that one before.  You're certainly right about the best reasons to call a pro ;)

 

Jul 12, 2011 11:28 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Mona - please do, thanks!

Richie - I think that inspector enjoyed sending you guys on  ride :)

Daniel - the largest investment in the passive system is the 4" (or is it 6"?) of rock underneath the house slab.  This will be several hundred dollars, but still much less than retrofitting a mitigation system.

Pat - actually, I'm not sure that the holy water thing is a myth.  I've never tested it :)

Barbara - Yeah, I forgot to mention the one about the neighbors.

Jul 12, 2011 11:32 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Robert - so what does that clay do for your foundations?

Chris - thanks for re-blogging :)

James - that's a new one for me.  Is that supposed to be a cause or effect thing?  As in, "there are no spiders, so the radon must have killed 'em all", or "The house has a high level of radon.  You better install a mitigation system, or get some spiders."

Jul 12, 2011 11:35 PM
Jim Mushinsky
Centsable Inspection - Framingham, MA

Hi Reuben - Nice post on Radon.  In my opinion, the Radon test conditions should resemble the way you intend to use your home. 

Myth: opening the second story windows shouldn't affect the radon test, because the test is located in the basement. The problem with this myth is that houses act like chimneys.  Opening the windows on the second floor might actually increase the radon levels in the home.  For a valid test, the windows in the house need to be kept closed.

An open window versus closed window does not alter the test equipment.  The Radon reading will indicate the level of Radon at the test equipment.  Radon is heavier than air, without air circulation, the Radon is likely to accumulate at the lowest level of the home.  In my home, I like to have the windows open in the summer months.  I also have a big screen TV and comfortable couches in the lowest level where often times someone falls asleep.  I want to know the Radon level during these conditions.  There is nothing invalid about this test. 

Myth: radon tests should always be placed in the lowest level of the home. If the home has a crawl space or a basement that nobody will be spending any time in, why in the world would you want to know what the radon level is down there?  If you're testing your own home, put the test in the lowest level of the home that you use regularly.  For a real estate transaction, the radon test should be placed in the lowest level of the home that could be used regularly.

Knowing the Radon level around an air handler may be significant.  When there is an air handler for a furnace or central AC system, I'll talk to the client about the potential for elevated levels of Radon in the crawlspace with the air handler and the mixing of conditioned and unconditioned air via duct leaks.

In my opinion, the testing protocols appear to favor database comparison numbers over the normal or typical usage of the home by the occupants.  I also test in my bathrooms to get an idea of the Radon in the steam/water vapor and air mixed together.

Of course, I always ask my physician how many deaths in the town are linked to Radon.  I haven't found one yet.

 

 

Jul 14, 2011 07:01 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

@ Jim, Unfortunately tour opinion with regard to radon testing, should be just that your opinion. The EPA has established national standards which define the testing procedures. If you some how feel the EPA is wrong, that's fine, but if you conduct your tests in the manner you are describing then that isn't okay. The problem I see in the radon testing industry, at least in CT, is a complete lack of training and understanding of the mechanics of radon gas by many of those who test. The state has no over site in place or requirements for training. Anyone can test a home for radon without ever sitting down in a classroom. They also can not be held accountable for their work.

If you weren't aware the reason for closed house conditions for real estate transactions is to closely approximate the conditions when the house would be closed up, say in the winter. Also you may not be aware is that 90% of short term test  agree with a long term test perfomed later. This blog and everything Reuben has talked about is spot on according to the EPA testing protocols.

Jul 15, 2011 12:04 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jim - ditta what James said.  

You say there is nothing invalid about testing your house with the windows open in the summer... but according to EPA protocol for radon testing, this would be an invalid test.

Also, I gotta disagree with testing the air around an air handler.  You're supposed to test the livable areas to learn how much radon the inhabitants are exposed to, not the unhabitable areas to make conjectures on how much radon they could potentially be exposed to.

Jul 17, 2011 11:13 PM