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Short Sale Urban Myths – Short Sales with No Late Payments

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Broadpoint Properties Cal BRE #01324959

short salesIt happens all the time: I have sellers and agents call me at the office to ask whether a short sale seller (their prospective client) can list in a short sale because the seller has not missed any mortgage payments.

Or, I may get a call from an agent who tells me that the bank told the seller that he or she could only get evaluated for a short sale if mortgage payments have been missed. Apparently, there’s this masked employee who seems to work at all the banks and spread this misinformation like wildfire. (It’s almost like the beginning of one of those urban myths—you know the friend of a friend who brings home a Chihuahua from Mexico but it turns out to be a rat).

Can a borrower participate in a short sale if s/he is still current on his or her mortgage?

Quite simply, the answer is yes. However, there are certain criteria that may impact an agent’s ability to successfully negotiate a short sale for a borrower who is current. So, here’s what you need to consider when taking a short sale listing like this:

Does the borrower have a hardship or a legitimate reason for participating in a short sale? If the seller is simply sick and tired of being upside down on the mortgage, some banks may be a little bit less flexible in their short sale approvals. Banks are looking for solid reasons that sellers need to sell—job loss, divorce, death, illness, etc. 

How many liens exist on the property? Depending upon the number of mortgage loans and also depending upon the state where you live, there are many different programs available for short sale sellers. However, sellers who are current and who have second liens held by collection agents may find it necessary to throw in a little bit of cash in order to make the second lien holder agree to the short sale. (Don’t forget that you need to get the first lien holder’s approval in order to make a cash contribution to the second lien holder and that contribution must appear on the settlement statement.)

Who are the mortgage lenders? With respect to folks who are still current, some mortgage lenders are a little more flexible than others. Many mortgage lenders will check the borrower’s credit and look into all aspects of the sellers’ financials, while others will be a bit more flexible and forthcoming with short sale approval letters.

So, the next time you hear that the bank has told your seller to miss a few payments, you had better double check to make sure that the Chihuahua doesn’t smell like a rat.

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Comments(40)

Don Taber
RE/MAX Complete - Wilson - Wilson, NC
REALTOR / BROKER / CRS / GRI

Melissa, who knows where all the misinformation comes from, it has been my experience that all short sales that I have dealt with have been behind in their payments.  I had one that the client had multiple properties and a medical disaster (hardship), yet the lenders had no interest in doing a short sale.  They did however on two accounts accept a deed in lieu.  

Sep 22, 2011 03:15 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Because we don't have clear steady messages from the top down, we continue to operate on a case by case basis. If the bank knew what it was doing, so would we...good post and host thank you

Sep 22, 2011 03:17 AM
Brenda Noffert
Realty world Alliance - Wichita, KS

GREAT POST!

I have had success with short sales that have no late payments until recently.  Now, on FHA loans, it says in the HAFA directive that they must be 31 days late before they can close. 

I sometimes have luck getting the lender to waive that on a hardship, but mostly they will postpone the closing until the seller misses the first payment.

On conventional and VA loans, I have not hae a problem. 

Happy Real-Estating!

Sep 22, 2011 04:11 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

I have a listing in this category right now. They just want to get out of this mess and move on.

Sep 22, 2011 05:21 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

All: Thank you for your comments. As far as Fannie Mae and 30 days (Cindy), I have actually closed (fairly recently) two Fannie Mae short sales with no late payments--both through B of A. Each short sale is different and it does depend upon the investor, but I wouldn't stop making payments just because someone told me to do so.

Sep 22, 2011 05:34 AM
Carolyn Nelson
Realty One Carolina, LLC - Burlington, NC
Your Triangle to Triad Real Estate Expert!

I worked with an agent once that would tell all short sale sellers to stop making payments on the mortgage!! He truly believed that it was the only way the bank would take notice. That is why none of those short sales received approvals. When I heard those words from the sellers, I politely removed myself from servicing that particular agent.

Sep 22, 2011 06:50 AM
Andrew Robb
RE/MAX Renaissance Realty - Peoria, AZ
RE/MAX Realtor - Peoria, AZ

I have an email from B of A where they plainly state the seller doesn't qualify for the short sale because they are not 60 days late... anyone want to read between the lines on that one? LOL

Sep 22, 2011 08:07 AM
Evelyn Kennedy
Alain Pinel Realtors - Alameda, CA
Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA

Melissa:

Thanks for providing the facts about a short sale and people who are current on their payments.  Confusing and lenders are sometimes not helpful.

Sep 22, 2011 10:03 AM
Reba Haas
Team Reba of RE/MAX Metro Eastside www.TeamReba.com - Bellevue, WA
Team Reba, CDPE

You're correct that each situation is different and I've seen this work well and not so well in different cases. It doesn't hurt to put forward a request on a short sale even if the seller isn't in arrears, but you can't expect that the bank will welcome it with open arms.

Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM
Lynn Pineda
eXp Realty - Boca Raton, FL
Real Estate Promises delivered in SE Florida

Hi Melissa, excellent points to the common myth of Short Sales. Not too long ago I posted a video on the fact that Short Sale Sellers can be current on their mortgage payments and still gain Short Sale approval and I received a comment from an Agent who said I was flat out wrong and that she was and expert who handled such in her office and knew that you Must miss paymetns to do a Short Sale.  It's unfortunate, as Sellers will go to someone like this and be given false information.  Good post

Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM
Eric Michael
Remerica Integrity, Realtors®, Northville, MI - Livonia, MI
Metro Detroit Real Estate Professional 734.564.1519

Melissa, very clear explanation of short sales without being late on payments. Each one is different. Each bank/investor has different criteria to base their decision on.

Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM
Cathy Criado
Criado Realty - San Antonio, TX
Making Real Estate Profitable

All great points for Short Sales. Thanks for sharing your information!

Sep 22, 2011 02:48 PM
Pam Graham
All Real Estate Options - Jacksonville, FL
Jacksonville, Clay & St Johns Counties

My sellers are usually behind on their payments, but I have had a seller pay on time every month up until we closed. Their hardship was a required relocation due to work. I know it sounds weird for the bank to do a short sale while the seller is current but if there is a true hardship to do the short sale, it would make sense to do the short sale and continue collecting payments until closing. They are at least getting some money.

Sep 23, 2011 05:37 AM
Michael Collins
*ROCK REALTY|Broker|Realtor|Real Estate|WI Short Sale Agent* - Janesville, WI
CDPE, SFR , Wisconsin Short Sale Specialist Realto

It is a very weird half truth that floats around. As all the commenters have stated, depends on the bank.

Sep 23, 2011 06:02 AM
Nick Smith
Jpar Live Local - Boise, ID
Boise Idaho Real Estate, We Love Boise

Can a borrower participate in a short sale if s/he is still current on his or her mortgage? I know that you said yes but if it is a FHA loan they need to be 31 days late.

Sep 23, 2011 08:17 AM
Brian L. Sirota, Esq.
Bristar Realty (Realtor/Attorney) - Orange, CA
For Solutions: (714) 501-7660

Melissa, the short sale/Chihuahua myth tie-in is hysterical.  Brian

Sep 23, 2011 04:47 PM
Todd Clark - Retired
eXp Realty LLC - Tigard, OR
Principle Broker Oregon

I also see it all the time and many people have to sell because of relocation and because of the housing market their home took a hit to its value. But, they just can't afford two homes and but aren't willing to fall behind on their payments. Just can't eat all their savings to pay for two homes.

Sep 24, 2011 05:02 AM
Joseph Alfe
Short Sale Processing Inc. - Chicago, IL

about 40% of the several hundred short sales we closed this year were not delinquent. BTW, Fannie WILL allow a non delinquent short sale.  The only lenders that require late payments are Indymac, and some investors of Wells Fargo.

Short Sale Negotiators

www.ssnegotiators.com

Sep 26, 2011 02:56 PM
Mike Mitchell
Kee Realty - Saint Clair Shores, MI
REALTOR (R)

Good post Melissa. I just closed a short sale with Chase where my seller was not behind at all. It did make it a little more difficult, the negotiator even stated that my client was not in default but we were able to get it approved.

Sep 27, 2011 02:04 AM
Alan Daniels
The Daniels Team - Re/Max Advantage Realty - Colorado Springs, CO
 

Great post Melissa.  It is definitely difficult for homeowners to make the decision to miss a payment.  I have been able to negotiate some short sales without a missed payment but majority of the time delinquincy is required.  Tough decision for the homeowner to make but if they are facing foreclosure anyway with a true hardship then it is a no brainer anyway.  It is definitely important for the homeowner to surround themselves with a with the best of short sale agents, attorneys and CPAs.

Aug 10, 2012 12:15 AM