I'm HAPPY to NEGOTIATE * JUST Do Not Make It PERSONAL

Think I would just make him honor the original agreement -- and not give him an extension at all -- you already have new renters for the next 12 months in hand ---- take them and kick him out --- come 2 months from will it be any easier to get rid of him -- and then you have to get new renters for the next 12 months all over again -- our 2 cents.

It sounds to me like you are trying to run a business, and he wants to dictate the terms of his HOME and life, as it changes in the wind, and his circumstances have changed, possibly again.

Perhaps you can ask questions, show understanding about his circumstances, and then remind him this is a business for you.  That you APPRECIATE his circumstances have changed, and you are willing to accomodate his needs, under these terms.   You have new tenants under contract based on the previous information, and agreement.

I am concerned, that if it continues to be advasarial, that you may not get any rent at all, and that would not be good for your business either.

good luck!

PS.. I just had  one (on good terms), not pay the water bill  $200.00

had drilled and damaged an interior wood veneer door and doorknob, that needs replacement  $350.00

Had clogged the sewer drains twice with "flushable face wipes"...  800.00 (during occupancy)

and melted the back vinyl siding and window with the BBQ   $600.00

seriously in excess of the damage deposit.

count your blessings

Hi, Wallace:  Sounds like a bit of a smokescreen to me.  You're doing all of the right things, of course- and he surely knows what he's going to do or not going to do (and when).  Folks that have problems with additional monies for month-to-month extensions never cease to amaze me- they don't realize that "turn dates" or "flip dates" are critical.  A property coming vacant in mid-August isn't as great as mid-June, but it's far better than mid-September or mid-October.  Folks looking to extend must realize that it's not our job to accomodate them as they leave to the detriment of our owner/clients.

Contrary to what some above have said, though, the answer is not necessarily the filing of eviction papers.  Depending on time frames for the courts, you could very well throw the owners' money down the drain- for the case might not even make it before a judge before the guy bolts even if he sticks to his own schedule.  The up-side is little, the down-side is potentially great in that you'd fire him up more than he's already fired-up, and he could commit further waste upon the property for the heck of it.

I've got a funny feeling this is going to work itself out, though...

Good story, and I have one similar.  The tenant was living in my rental home at half the rate when I was hired by the owner to sell the place.  It worked well for a while, that is until I had to show the property. They wouldn't let me show the property for months and then moved into a condo after trashing the walls and appliances. Now that I have a new tenant this awful person is posting bogus Craig's List ads and driving wierd traffic to the home to knock on the door of my new tenant.  What horrible people do with their time is beyond me.  Why I wonder, and then just move on.

Ugh - Getting him out could be a major pain. Hope he doesn't decide to take it out on the property before he goes.

Some tenants beat all I've ever seen and know how to work the system. Don't take it wrong, I said "some". Some think you owe them and they are doing you a favor. There are others though that are very appreciative to have a place to stay. 

Doesn't sound like negotiating, more like a petulant child digging in his heels. It must have made you angry to read his email, but since you are a professional, you know how to proceed. Why not simply withdraw your offer to extend? Toss the guy. He is more trouble than he is worth.

I have a similar situation. A tenant who never pays on time, is rude to agents who are showing and has told me that they (the tenants) are suspending showings for two weeks.

Now they want to use the security deposit in lieu of the last month's rental payment. I'm trying to be patient but they will be surprised when the locks are changed at one minute after their lease expires.

Wallace,

Nice article.  But I will be the contrarian here.  In my opinion, it is not about man under woman nor right and wrong. It is not about being a bully, tough guy or agent.  It is about looking forward to hindsight (20:20).  What if he trashes the place well beyond his deposit and you have NO chance to recover the funds to repair plus the repair time in lost rents...  My advice, give him his October deadline, offer him a nice gift and his deposit if the home is move in ready at his leaving date and he is fully paid up. 

To reverse the question, are you willing to lose alot of cash over $100 in additional rents he will not pay? 

You are most likely right about the bully, personal attacks and childish approach of the tenant.  Now it is time to rise above, be the pro and mitigate the perceived loss from a REAL one.

My humble opinion.  Good post.

Tony Barker, Premiere Home Realty

Hi Wallace, some people....why can't he just pay and go on with his life instead of making hinself miserable.

Wallace, he is being abusive. You have bent over backwards for him and he "ignores" your offer. Pitch him out and get a good tenant.

Hi Wallace, no good deed goes unpunished!  Your offer to extend at the higher rate is exactly what he should take....love to know the outcome!

That's why people hire pros like you to help them.  You don't take any Bull----!

Tenants can be funny sometimes. A friend with units told me one time that a tenant told her could not pay the rent because he needed to make his car payment. She kindly suggested he go live in his car!  LOL! It's weird what tenants think is 'ok' whether it's lame excuses for not paying or getting personal with you becuase they don't like the agreement they signed.

Sounds to me he has worn out his welcome, and needs to be forcibly and embarrassingly evicted. In full view of witnesses.

You have an interesting tool to use if you can move the Monday after the holdover date.

There is no court in this area that would even consider such a thing.

I learned a long time ago not to re-lease an occupied property no matter when the tenant says he is moving out.  It is an almost sure way to wind up with a new tenant and his moving van full of furniture in front of the still occupied unit.