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Do we really need a survey in Red Feather Lakes?

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Real Estate Agent with United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Do we really need a survey in Red Feather Lakes?

In Colorado, the buyer can choose if they want to get a survey -  most often for residential properties, it might only be an Improvement Location Certificate (ILC), but you can choose to get a different kind of survey, too.

There’s a paragraph in the Colorado Real Estate contract that addresses the survey/ILC. It’s at this point, when writing up their offer, that buyers often look at me and say, “Do we really need a survey, Mary?”

Well, call me silly, but I think it’s a good thing to know that your cabin/home is actually on the property that you are buying, in the Village of Red Feather, particularly.  (2) It’s good to know that the road is really at your property line and there’s not a parcel in between that would prevent you from crossing trespassing on someone else’s land to get to your land…  and (3) it’s a good idea to be sure that no one else is encroaching onto the property you want to buy to avoid any future claims of adverse possession.  These are just a few things to consider.

Maybe you found every survey marker on the ground, and you decide that you are OK  without a survey.   Maybe the seller already has a survey, often they do, we can ask.    It’s ultimately your decision***, as the buyer, whether or not to order/ ask the seller to pay for a survey or an ILC.

***In areas where the Title Company is aware of boundary issues they may require a survey in order to provide additional insurance to you and your lender,  this is usually the case in the Village. Most primary lenders require survey protection.   In some subdivisions, a Title Company will extend survey protection without a survey or an ILC, but you may opt to get one anyway.

We can’t rely on the seller to just show us the property lines either.  After the surveyor located and flagged all the corners/boundaries of a property recently, the sellers were very surprised, because they  thought their property only went “to the tree”.  That’s probably what they were told when they purchased it 16 years ago, but in fact, the lot extended well beyond that tree and it was a beautiful lot, too!

Many years ago, when I was still working at a title company, a seller represented that his property went “to the fence” - unfortunately the legal description of the property did not…

So, if you ask me if you “really need a survey in Red Feather Lakes” or anywhere else, I’m always going to give you the long answer so that you will have enough information to make your decision.  I can’t tell you what to do and the Colorado Bar Association says I can’t give you legal advice.  Know that the Title Company may require it and in the big scheme of things, it’s a small cost to pay in order to get the additional title insurance coverage or that extra “surprise” area of land and a little peace of mind.

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“A Day in the Mountains will always soothe your city soul”

 

Mary Douglas, your Mountain Broker-Associate and REALTOR®

United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, CO

 www.marydouglas-redfeatherlakes.net

800-531-2195

I specialize in the Red Feather Lakes area, Fox Acres, Crystal Lakes and Glacier View Meadows Subdivisions, if you are interested in buying or selling your mountain home, please give me a call, I’m here to help you.

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Comments(17)

Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Mary - I agree completely. While it is not usually useful in newer platted subdivisions in town, rural properties, and sometimes older properties in town, can suffer from misplaced or poorly defined boundaries. Good information is always useful to buyers, and with modern GPS systems, it has become much easier to do metes and bounds surveys. We actually had a very old property once whose origination point was described as a particular large rock in a creek, long since dried up - that was a mess to straighten out.

Nov 08, 2012 12:36 AM
Jeffrey DiMuria 321.223.6253 Waves Realty
Waves Realty - Melbourne, FL
Florida Space Coast Homes

Mary...I could not agree more. I think it is important to know that the home actually occupies the exact space it was intended to occupy.

Nov 08, 2012 12:49 AM
Mary Douglas
United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado - Red Feather Lakes, CO
REALTOR, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Hi Dick, thanks for stopping by today.  I love those old legal descriptions with marked rocks and chains & links....those can be a mess, you're right

Nov 08, 2012 12:49 AM
Mary Douglas
United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado - Red Feather Lakes, CO
REALTOR, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Me too Jeffrey! Pretty important stuff! :-]

Nov 08, 2012 12:53 AM
Sharon Lee
Sharon Lee's Virtual Assistance - Jonesborough, TN
Retired and loving life

Hi Mary-I think it always a better idea to know EXACTLY where the property lines are because we never know what SURPRISE might happen down the road. Great blog my friend. Hope you are doing well and haven't got too much snow yet.

Nov 08, 2012 01:09 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Having started my career in real estate as a title searcher in Colorado, I can say a survey is very important. When you had kids searching title to your land at the public courthouse, let's just say you should hope none of your grantors' or grantees' names started with an S.

Nov 11, 2012 11:29 PM
Mary Douglas
United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado - Red Feather Lakes, CO
REALTOR, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Hi Sharon, I agree- I like knowing where the property lines are too!  No snow to speak about...tiny flakes and then the sun comes out and melts it off! 

Hi Elizabeth, having that title background adds a different perspective doesn't it??  and searching grantor/grantee through  those old handwritten books at the courthouse is an exercise of determination....especially "S", or Anderson, or Miller or Lindenmeier in Larimer County....

 

Nov 15, 2012 12:18 AM
Brenda Whitman, Live in Laramie Real Estate
Live in Laramie Real Estate, Laramie, Wyoming - Laramie, WY
Broker/Co-Owner, Laramie, Wyoming

Good point, indeed, I feel bad for the property owners who could have been enjoying more of their land for all those years...

Nov 15, 2012 04:25 AM
Bruce Walter
Keller Williams Realty Lafayette/West Lafayette, Indiana - West Lafayette, IN

Hi Mary!  At least the previous owner didn't say I own the land to where the moose stands!  ^_~

Mary, you are a GREAT real estate professional and your clients are fortunate to have you to represent them!  YEP, the only way to tell for sure is a survey as there are too many things that can come back and bite you later!  

Nov 19, 2012 07:12 PM
Ann Hayden 636-399-7544
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Select Properties-St. Louis Missouri - Des Peres, MO
SelectAnn.com

Mary,

My clients have to convince me they do not need a survey!

Ann Hayden in Wildwood, MO

Dec 10, 2012 01:03 AM
Suzanne McLaughlin
Sabinske & Associates, Inc. (Albertville, St. Michael) - Saint Michael, MN
Sabinske & Associates, Realtor

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, get a survey.  If the buyers decline one, I have them initial that I explained and they decided against it.

Thanks, Mary!  And, all the best to you this holiday season!

Dec 10, 2012 05:16 AM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Since most of my real estate sales have been on city lots, a survey is a rare thing.  However, I once sold an upscale property on an irregular shaped larger lot in a rolling hill area.  There was a creek on the backside of the lot.  Shortly after closing, my buyer had a survey done for the purpose of putting up a fence.  Voila', he found the boundary on the left side was actually about 9 feet into the neighbor's vegetable garden.  And that creek, which we were told was the natural boundary, was in truth totally on the property, plus a few feet.  It was fortunate the survey benefitted my buyer.  It could just have easily gone the other way!

Dec 12, 2012 09:55 AM
Bruce Walter
Keller Williams Realty Lafayette/West Lafayette, Indiana - West Lafayette, IN

Mary, I hope you are safe and well and may all your family enjoy great health in the new year to come!

 

                       HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Dec 31, 2012 02:56 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

I'm curious whether title would insure the real property without a survey. If the boundary issues are great in your area, it seems that they would always require a survey.

Jan 21, 2013 12:39 AM
Mary Douglas
United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado - Red Feather Lakes, CO
REALTOR, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Hi Melissa, Without a survey,  title companies will issue title insurance, but they will take exception to any items that may be disclosed by a survey - so no insurance for survey matters! 

If the buyer or lender want survey protection: You're right , the title company usually requires a survey in the Village, but can provide that additional coverage without a survey in other areas....

Hi Brenda, I agree, too bad they didn't enjoy that extra property for all those years!

Hi Bruce, you're right- there are too many things that can come back to bite you later....survey is always the best way to go!

Suzanne, I've started doing that too.  With so much information, it's too easy to forget what was explained at the time of an offer...especially if 5 or 10 years have gone by! I think it's a good practice.

Ann, that's a good strategy- I like that!

Myrl, your buyer must have been very happy with those veggies that his neighbor grew on his land :-)  and the creek! WOW! You're so right, it could have gone the other way, too; I'm glad it worked out like it did.

 

Thanks everyone- I KNOW I replied to your comments earlier...but no, they aren't here!  Perhaps I didn't hit the submit button before? :-}

 

Jan 21, 2013 01:45 AM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

I have been involved in several transactions where surveys uncovered critical encroachments or violations of minimum setbacks. In new construction, a survey is especially important. The boundaries of undeveloped lots are often unmarked and buyers sometimes end up with a much smaller lot than expected. With new construction, I would press the builder to provide a staked survey. 

Jun 30, 2017 08:55 AM
Mary Douglas
United Country Ponderosa Realty, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado - Red Feather Lakes, CO
REALTOR, Red Feather Lakes, Colorado

Thanks Dave, we never know what an accurate survey will disclose, until we get one, that's certain.  I appreciate your comments!

Jul 01, 2017 07:14 AM