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I’m Sorry. You’re Still a PUD

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Mortgage and Lending with ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC

I’m Sorry.  You’re Still a PUD

fha condo approvalIn 2011, I was hired by a community to facilitate an FHA Condo Approval.  I went through the typical pre-screening process and everything checked out.  We completed an agreement and I collected the retainer.

When I received the legal documents from the property manager, it was evident that they weren’t a condominium; they were a planned community or PUD as they are commonly known in most of the country.  FHA does not require approval of PUD communities in order for FHA financing to be used to finance the units.

I notified the property manager of this and was told that the Board of Directors wished that I proceed with the submission of the application.  I reiterated that there was no need to get approved because they were a PUD; FHA financing was already available to them.  Still, it was insisted that I complete the application and submit.

Since they weren’t going to take my word for it, I completed the application and submitted it to FHA.  A couple of weeks later, I received an email from FHA stating that they don’t approve PUDs.  No kidding.

I forwarded the email to the property manager and received a reply that the Board requested a refund of the retainer.  We worked out an equitable split (I had done all the work that was requested of me) and I cut a check to the association.

Fast-forward two years and the property manager notified me that the association was in the process of converting from a PUD to a condominium.  When completed, they wanted to retain me to assist in the FHA approval.  Confused as to why they would go through the trouble, I offered to review the documents prior to taking it to a vote in the association in case language was included that would not fly with FHA.

The amended and restated declaration and by-laws were sent to me.  Sure enough, there was leasing restriction language that would prevent an FHA approval.  I made suggestions to revise the language and they cleared it with their attorney.

The revised documents were recorded in June of this year and I was again retained to assist in the FHA approval process.

However, when I received the documents, it was clear that they were still a planned community.  I notified the new property manager and he said that he would look into it.

Apparently, it would have taken a unanimous vote by the unit owners and all of the lenders (mortgagees) to convert to a condominium.  This is because the PUD would have to be dissolved before being declared a condominium.  The association decided to remain a PUD and revised their documents accordingly. 

I told the property manager that as a PUD, there is no FHA approval list; FHA financing was already available to the units in the association.  He then asked for a refund of the retainer.  We negotiated a fair refund (again, I had done more work) and I cut the check.

And this is why I can still say that every condominium that I have submitted has been approved with FHA.

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Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Eric.  You tell them what to do and they don't.  Nice income stream for you.

Sep 30, 2014 07:58 PM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Hi Eric, It seems that not only is the development a PUD, but so are these people. What were they trying to accomplish?

Bill Roberts

BTW You need to rewrite your contract with a declaration that if the property is NOT a condominium your fee is still due in full. Let them initial the clause or sign it if it is on a separate page. Why should you dom all the work for a reduced fee if it is their error?

Oct 01, 2014 12:14 AM
Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
Your Montgomery County PA home stager

Some people just don't get it. Why on earth would they go through the process and spend the money when they didn't have to??

Oct 01, 2014 12:16 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Eric, This is one reason why many associations have financial issues. Because the people making decisions don't know what they hell-0 they are doing. What I just read was a circle-jerk exercise by the Board if ever I've known one.  And, I know many because I live in a condo. 

Oct 01, 2014 01:26 AM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Hi Conrad - they had no reason to convert in the first place.

Hi Bill Roberts  - I think that it boils down to a lack of understanding or possible miscommunication.  And I have thought of that clause before.  In fact, the first time that it happened, I did have a money-back clause and told the property manager that "not being a condo" does not fit within the clause but I wanted to show him that I was fair.  The second time, we caught it right away so we only charged for the consulting that we did regarding the leasing restrictions.

Suzanne Otto - what's up stranger??  Like I mentioned to Bill, above, I think that they didn't understand that they didn't need it.  I believe that they thought they couldn't get FHA loans UNLESS they converted to a condo and got approved.

 Kathleen Daniels - thank you for your comment!  (Please read my reply to Suzanne above so that I don't have to rewrite it )

Oct 01, 2014 04:13 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Eric, it does not make any since at all to me why they would want to be a Condominium.  They they ever give a reason why???

Oct 01, 2014 05:40 AM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Eric - sometimes people don't want to be confused with the facts.  They want it their way.

Oct 01, 2014 01:59 PM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Yes, George Souto , there was a communication breakdown.  They didn't understand that FHA loans were already available to them as a planned community.  They thought that they had to be a condo and get approved to get FHA loans.

Thank you for reading, Grant.

Oct 01, 2014 07:04 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Eric. What is too bad many association have no clue and make decisions that affect the unit owners. Great job sharing the information, hopefully read by those that run an association.

Oct 01, 2014 08:52 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Eric,

Isn't it amazing how little they knew about making decision that affect the unit owners! Thanks for sharing this information..you are right they are still a PUD!

Oct 01, 2014 09:18 PM
Maria Gilda Racelis
Home Buyers Realty, LLC-Manchester, Bolton. Vernon,Ellington - Manchester, CT
Home Ownership is w/in Reach. We Make it Happen!

Hi Eric: I can't fathom the property manager's insistence to convert the PUD into a condo. More HOA fees streaming in?

You are one persistent and patient person. But very knowledgeable at what you do.

Oct 01, 2014 09:22 PM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Thank you, Joe.

Hi Dorie - thank you for reading.

I don't think that it was the manager's insistence, Maria.  I think that there was a lack of understanding regarding how FHA deals with planned communities.

Oct 01, 2014 09:52 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Eric, We have a condo complex that converted to a PUD almost 6 years ago. I get calls from agents that still think it is a condo and lenders that order the appraisals incorrectly. Someone isn't doing their homework.

Oct 02, 2014 11:42 AM
Lou Ludwig
Ludwig & Associates - Boca Raton, FL
Designations Earned CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC

Eric

Yes . . . . It's still PUD.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

Oct 02, 2014 12:26 PM
Sheila Newton Team Anderson & Greenville SC
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices - C. Dan Joyner - Anderson, SC
Selling the Upstate since 1989

that is a very funny story!! What a waste of money for them to go through that.. whatever, right? LOL

Oct 06, 2014 01:51 PM
ReadySetLoan Team
ReadySetLoan Condo Team LLC - South Windsor, CT
Residential, Commercial & Condo Financing Experts

Hi Debbie - that is no easy task considering that it takes unanimous approval from everyone involved.

Thank you for reading Lou

Hi Sheila - yes, and I can't help but think that I didn't communicate the information effectively the first time.

Oct 06, 2014 07:33 PM