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Lenders Deny Approve-able Files (all the time!!!)

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Lenders Deny Approveable Files (all the time!!!)

 

 

     The inspiration for this post comes from an online professional forum where industry pro's go with complaints, rants, questions, and more.  Today, someone expressed bewilderment because their loan file was declined by a lender because of recent derogatory credit information (the culprit: 2 30-day lates on student loans in the past 12 months).  mortgage lenders without overlays

 

     This loan officer ran desktop underwriter (automated underwriting that issues approvals for conventional & government loans) and got every loan officer's favorite results  - approve/eligible (meaning it's approved as the system likes the loan's attributes, and 'eligible' meaning that is meets requirements for the specified loan program so it can be delivered to Fannie/Freddie/Ginnie).  Once the file hit the underwriter's desk, it came back declined.

 

HUH!?

 

 

     Basic rule of automated underwriting is "garbage in/garbage out" so if the file is structured properly and the information submitted accurately, the 'approve/eligible' should mean you have a 100% fundable loan.

 

 

     Unless of course, you're working with a lender that has overlays.  In this case, the lender doesn't want late payments within the past 12 months - whether they can approve the file or not, they won't because of their overlay.  This is an approvable file, that the lender won't approve, and this happens -all.the.time. 

 

 

     The simple solution to making sure things like this don't happen?  Work with 1) a knowledgeable loan officer that knows their guidelines (the loan officers mistake here is that they SHOULD have known this overlay prior to submitting the file to that investor), and 2) a lender that has "agency direct" programs.  I can't state this enough.  Overlays are deal killers, and at the very least, are going to cause delays that make buyers and sellers miserable and stressed during what should be a happy time.  As a real estate agent, you're asking for trouble and additional stress if you're referring clients to lenders that have overlays like this.

 

 

     Approveable files should be approved.  Simple as that.  That said, there are a TON of gray areas in lending - things like variable income, recent job changes, questions about potential occupancy, etc, can all throw a wrench in the process - but a good loan officer knows how to package a file to maximize good results.  A good analogy is an attorney preparing a case for a judge.  A good attorney is going to put their client in the very best light by researching and building a case before a judge sees anything.  If the case is good enough, a judge is far more likely to rule in their favor.  

 

 

     Don't let an overlay kill or delay your deal.  Improve customer service, streamline the real estate transaction, and work with a lender that has agency-direct products (like me!).  

 

 

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Comments(29)

Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

Excellent advice.  And why I love the lender at the top of my preferred list here in GA.

Apr 28, 2016 01:24 PM
John Meussner

The lender-agent relationship cannot be overstated...for the best experience, buyers need to have a good experience with both

Apr 29, 2016 06:43 AM
Sham Reddy CRS
Howard Hanna RE Services, Dayton, OH - Dayton, OH
CRS

Thanks for a great share!!!

If you're working with a lender that has overlays. the lender doesn't want late payments within the past 12 months - whether they can approve the file or not, they won't because of their overlay.  This is an approvable file, that the lender won't approve, and this happens -

Apr 28, 2016 09:22 PM
John Meussner

Thanks for a great share!!!


 


Thanks for the great comment!

Apr 29, 2016 06:43 AM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Thank you for the post. Your cleinst are lucky to be working with you.

Apr 28, 2016 09:46 PM
John Meussner

Thanks Gita, appreciate that!

Apr 29, 2016 06:43 AM
Fred Cope
Reliant Realty in Nashville, TN - Nashville, TN
Looking For Homes With A Smile

Hello John.  Excellent post.  Vital topic.  The question about lates in the past 12 months often is a death nail.  Recently had a client, against my advice who held last mortgage payment for closing.  On his last home sale , a local banker recommended it to him (in house loan); so he thought it would work again.  Closed on 31st at 5 PM.  Issue comes up, and then a 30 day late.

 

Moved out of State, went to "his bank", and they declined his loan (only derogatory on the ten year CR history.  Overlay!  I sent him to a mortgage broker_they shopped it and got approval.

Having dealt with Investors and their overlay rules, I came quickly to a SIMPLE conclusion:

 

"Be not the first to take on the NEW,

Nor the last to lay the old aside."

 

At Mortgage Resources, we had a large number of investors, and the first two questions I asked their AE were (1) What are YOUR fees?  (2) Do you add any overlays to the guidelines on Conventional, or Government loan products?  It was amazing how often the AE had no clue.

 

When a Client had "hurdles" such as this, (1) I ran the file by an underwriter with one of my two favorite investors: SunTrust or US Bank. Those underwriter's worked with my processor and me.  If we had an issue, within 24 hours I knew, and set out to overcome it.  The most important asset I had as an MLO was a mutual respect for my processor and underwriters.  Most deals CAN BE DONE when the MLO focuses on resolving the problem.  I did not want my processor bottled up with problems.  I preferred she concentrate on files that were ready to submit; and when I worked things out with the underwriter, she would submit.  I enjoyed my task because I never comprehended the word "NO", except as a dad.

Apr 28, 2016 10:16 PM
John Meussner

Yep, indeed Fred.  I try to never say "no" but sometimes unfortunately have to say "not yet".  We don't submit files though unless we're pretty darn sure they'll be closing & closing soon

Apr 29, 2016 06:45 AM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Yes, excellent post. Approvable files SHOULD be approved - I couldn't agree more.

Apr 28, 2016 10:27 PM
John Meussner

Thanks Kat!

Apr 29, 2016 06:45 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

This is why you have to find a good loan officer BEFORE not after the transaction

Apr 28, 2016 11:46 PM
John Meussner

Never a good thing to find you've chosen the wrong LO mid-stream

Apr 29, 2016 06:45 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

I had a buyer just a few months ago who was working with a lender I had not worked with before. We got down to the last week and out of nowhere the lender started asking for all sorts of ridiculous paperwork. Needless to say, now with TRID on top of everything, we were over a week late in closing that deal and the buyer and seller were super frustrated at the end. 

Apr 29, 2016 12:47 AM
John Meussner

Yep, it's sad because that ruins the experience for everyone and turns what could be a happy time into a big ball of stress

Apr 29, 2016 06:46 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Totally correct in advising this action, John Meussner ... because more and more often, knowledge and experience counts in securing loan approvals.  LOs can't just be order takers.  LOs need to thoroughly understand and know how to navigate underwriting and all other aspects of the process on the behalf of their clients.  

Successful LOs know their clients and their scenarios inside and out.  They've educated themselves ... have learned from prior experiences ... and use those experiences to help their current clients.  They know how to position their clients and their files for the highest probability of success.  

Bottomline is ... WHO you work with matters, folks!   And your post proves why that's a fact.  Making the effort.  Taking the time to find the best and right LO for your home loan (and business referrals) paysoff in innumberable ways ...

Gene

Apr 29, 2016 01:08 AM
John Meussner

Indeed Gene, thanks for reading & adding to the discussion

Apr 29, 2016 06:46 AM
David A. Weaver
Peoples Bank & Trust Co. - Scottsdale, AZ
24 years helping folks finance their dreams.

Unfortunately this is one of the unintended consequences of the SAFE Act.  FDIC banks can hire a person who has great people skills, is super on the phone, is detailed and can hold a conversation but no experience what so ever in real estate or mortgage.  Put them through a 6 week class on how to take a loan application, price a loan, quote fees and expenses and their first day on the phone they are making recommendations to a borrower on the most important and for many the largest financial transaction in their lives.  I sat in a class once where the instructor had never seen a paper 1003.  The sad thing is that the get paid at the same scale as I with 22 years in the business, thanks to the SAFE Act.  As Gene Mundt stated, "WHO you work with matters, folks!"  I can't state it stronger than that.

Apr 29, 2016 03:16 AM
John Meussner

Thanks David, those depository order takers are NOT the ones to work with, that's for sure.

Apr 29, 2016 06:48 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

John, There is a reason that bottle is empty – right?  This business can certainly drive one to drink.  Those overlays will bite one in the backside every single time.  When that happens, people learn the hard way … and some just never figure it out.  Work with a lender that has agency direct products – like John Meussner _

Apr 29, 2016 03:40 AM
John Meussner

I love your advice ; )

Apr 29, 2016 06:48 AM
David Alan Baker | Laveen & South Phoenix Realtor
Keller Williams Realty Phoenix - Laveen, AZ
Your local Expert

It can save you time, money and MAJOR aggravation working with knowledge able professionals.

Apr 29, 2016 04:32 AM
John Meussner

That it can, on both the finance & the real estate side of things!

Apr 29, 2016 06:48 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

And let's not forget underwriters. I've seen approved files that meet every lender overlay, and the file is still rejected per the underwriter. I'm working on a file now in which the underwriter is demanding a replacment of ALL the carpeting in the home, for a conventional loan! Another rejected in underwriting because the underwriter did not believe the buyer was willing to drive to work from his new home.

Apr 29, 2016 04:37 AM
John Meussner

I'd love to see the photos/appraisers notes on the carpet situation - not saying the UW is wrong, but those carpets better be pretty hazardous if they are calling for something that crazy.  Re: the commute, unfortunately that's a huge area of fraud (qualifying using income that won't continue after someone moves).  


 


I've overcome that one by getting a letter from employer saying a) employee can work from home, b) other employees work in the same area the buyer is moving to, or somethign else along those lines.  That one is understandable as LOTS of borrowers commit fraud that way.

Apr 29, 2016 06:50 AM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

The garbage in-garbage out rule is one that agents should be familiar with after a quick perusal of the MLS.  The information you get is only as good as the information put in.

Apr 29, 2016 06:00 AM
John Meussner

Data systems are great when we use them correctly, when we don't they are pretty useless huh?

Apr 29, 2016 06:51 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

I totally agree.  It should be a team working for the mutual goal of happy ending for the mutual client.

 

Apr 29, 2016 06:48 AM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

What is the meaning of approval when they are denied later?

Simple - as you mentioned John Meussner -

"Approveable files should be approved.  Simple as that."

Apr 29, 2016 03:32 PM
Roger D. Mucci
Shaken...with a Twist 216.633.2092 - Euclid, OH
Lets shake things up at your home today!

Wow, very interesting, I had no idea, along with so many people that were declined when they could and should have been approved.

Apr 29, 2016 08:13 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Coldwell Banker Realty

John Meussner "Overlays are deal killers, and at the very least, are going to cause delays that make buyers and sellers miserable and stressed during what should be a happy time.  As a real estate agent, you're asking for trouble and additional stress if you're referring clients to lenders that have overlays like this." In the spirit of learning something new - every day - this is a Re-Blog!  Looking forward to reading more from you - and just noticed that we weren't already following you - so fixing that now!  CLICK!

Apr 30, 2016 10:43 PM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

John Meussner I have been so frustrated by lenders as of late that I have decided to reinstate my mortgage brokers license in Florida and may even gto for the MLO in California. Knowledge is key!

May 01, 2016 12:08 AM
Bill Roberts
Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate - Oceanside, CA
"Baby Boomer" Retirement Planner

Hi John Meussner I want to apologize about a referral I gave you. Because he is active duty, he decided to go with Navy Fed. His "friends" recommended this. I hope things go well, but I am afraid of some of the things covered in this post and the ensuing comments.

I had to have him go back for a "better" pre-approval letter because it didn't spell out terms or even have an LO signature. It was more like the "pre-quals" from before that don't instill confidence in a seller.

And I am not sure that they are a direct lender. If they are going to "sell" this loan then we might be up against overlays that we don't even know about at this time.

Bill Roberts

May 01, 2016 12:40 AM
Becca Rasmussen
HomeSmart Cherry Creek - Highlands Ranch, CO

Great post, thanks. I'm just beginning to learn about overlays and how they impact approval possibilities and this info sure helps. Happily I won't ever have to know as much about them as mortgage officers!

May 03, 2016 01:29 AM