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Buyer's market doesn't mean low ball offer

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Real Estate Agent with Alain Pinel BRE 01367196

Time and time again, some folks think that buying a foreclosure would be a breeze, and that they can submit a lowball offer. They must have seen, read, heard that they can get foreclosures for 30-50% less than list price. Remember, REO or bank owned listings are at, or nearly at the bottom price that the bank would approve.

I have submitted offers on behalf of several clients who, regardless of what the list price is, automatically come up with prices significantly less than list price.

Before writing the offers, I always give them a brief history of the property, how much it sold for last, what its appraised value is, how much was owed, how much the lender foreclosed, and most importantly, how it compares with other properties that have just recently sold, are pending, or active. This kind of information, I thought, would open their eyes on what a good offer might be.

After several misses --- when competing offers bid higher, or with better terms --- they are beginning to see the light.

The worst one we missed out on was on a nearly new 4200 sq ft house that sold for $1.2M in 2005, and was being foreclosed and listed at $749K. My client insisted on offering $700K even though I told him there were three other competing offers and after I gave him the background on the house. I was surprised when we were countered by the bank at $730K. My client said he will only go up to $720K. Well, needless to say, it sold at $730K to another couple. When my client's wife heard about what it finally closed at, she freaked! This is a couple who could have afforded to pay cash for it if they wanted to.  But for the difference of $10K, they passed on this fabulous house.

It's a learning curve....a buyer's market doesn't mean a low ball market. ALWAYS give it your best shot. You may not get a second chance. So think positive: think BEST and HIGHEST offer!

Good luck, all!

Comments(19)

Anthon Pang
iPro Realty Ltd., Brokerage - Mississauga, ON
Broker

The fact that the client's wife freaked is a reminder that while we need to advise our clients to not be emotional (offers can invoke a roller coaster of emotions, e.g., excitement, anticipation, anger, regret, etc), but at the same time, to be mindful of the downside risk of a lost opportunity (particularly, the rare ones).

Jun 18, 2008 05:28 AM
Michael Wayne Jackson
Coldwell Banker - Novato, CA
Broker - Seniors Real Estate Specialist Novato

I think it also depends on if the buyer really likes the property and sees the value in the property for them to not write a low ball offer too.

Jun 18, 2008 05:45 AM
Jean Powers
Kane & Associates call 510.908.9002 - Alameda, CA
CRS,e-PRO,HAFA,SFR Broker, Northern California

Pacita, you are exactly rihgt! Some buyers do not get it! They will be kicking themselves next year when they see the increaded comps next year in our area 

Jun 19, 2008 12:00 PM
Lynn Pineda
eXp Realty - Boca Raton, FL
Real Estate Promises delivered in SE Florida

Pacita, over $10,000 and they could have afforded it - wow, I'm sure they're kicking themselves. A good way to learn. Too many buyers think that a Bank owned or Short Sale means that it'll sell for 25% below list or more.  It's as if they think that the listed price is artificially high and has room for a 25% or more discount.  I don't price my listings for negotiations. There are so many fabulous buying opportunities and it's a shame that so many let greediness get in the way.

Jun 20, 2008 11:56 AM
Tina Farinas
Fusion Real Estate Network, Inc. - Roseville, CA
REALTOR, ABR, GRI, SFR, CHS, e-PRO

Pacita, great post.  I have buyers who are very insistant in low balling offers and lose out.  This is a great learning tool for all buyers out there who may otherwise have closed on their dream had they headed the advise of their Realtors. 

Jun 23, 2008 05:03 AM
Anonymous
Samantha Provost

I am so sick of realtors! I have had nothing but bad experiences with them. They never want what is in our best interests! If the man said that was his maximum bid, there is probably a good reason. The realtor is not the one who is going to have to deal with higher payments. Just because the house had a huge discount does not mean you can still afford it. You should have supported the buyers choice to not go over what they were comfortable with paying, you have to stop somewhere! Normally foreclosures are so badly messed up that you have to spend the extra money to fix them back up. Better off finding a nice home for a little bit more, that is unless you prefer to fix up houses. Through my experiences, realtors are greedy and only care about themselves. The more we pay, the better commission he/she gets!!! OPEN YOUR EYES BUYERS... THE MORE YOU PAY, THE MORE THEY GET!

Jul 06, 2008 01:51 PM
#6
Anonymous
Anonymous

Samantha

I'm sorry you had bad realtors working for you. But you can't and shouldn't lump all realtors along with the ones you had.

But just to set the record straight, yes, I supported my clients' decision and did exactly what my they wanted me to do. Since you don't know their circumstances, you don't know what they can afford. My clients could have, if they wanted to, pay cash for the property on which they wrote the offer. They own an international business, and own their own building that overlooks the bay in Hercules. The husband decided not to accept the bank's counteroffer which was $10,000 higher. When the wife found out, she got upset that they passed up this deal. They are still using my services, and yes, we're still looking at a lot of properties --- and we are looking at foreclosures, short sales and regular sales.

You said, "The more buyers pay, the more they (realtors) get!" By passing up this deal, we all lost. The buyers lost a really good deal --- a house that met their needs, and that they could have bought at nearly 50% of what it was last sold, and that compared to other homes for sale in the area, was still valued at almost $1M as a regular sale. And that's what the other homes in the area are selling for, now. Do you honestly think people would rather pay "a bit more" when they could have bought for a whole lot less?

Have a heart and think of what it costs realtors to do our jobs. I lost all my out-of-pocket expenses taking them around to look at properties (gas, wear and tear on my car, insurance, etc). You must think we don't deserve to be paid for the service we provide. What kind of work do you do that you can afford not to get paid?

Jul 06, 2008 05:50 PM
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Sandra Carlisle (Ayers)
Berkshire Hathaway California Properties - Newport Beach, CA
Real Estate Marketing & Sales

They are afraid to believe us "the car salesperson" and need to see it for themselves.  It just makes me sad when they miss out on great opportunites. 

What will be, will be, I suppose.

Jul 06, 2008 05:55 PM
Anonymous
Lobon
In my area it is a bit different. You have newer homes selling for 150-160 that are in great shape. On the next block you have older homes with the same square footage that are asking 125-160 Now the issue is that these older houses are in fixer up shape. In many cases they have old copper and glass post wiring, brick or drain tile basements, have no garage or a leaning shed and need new windows. The assessor page for the county shows them as being under 100k however they have sat on the market for over a year as their sellers attempt to get a huge payoff out of them. Most of these houses are going to require lifting, a new basement, new wiring, new plumbing, new roof, new windows, siding, a garage and fencing. Quite the fixer upper. What would you recommend in a situation like this? Getting inspections and quotes to fix a house can get expensive just to make an offer. Should a buyer just abandon those houses or can you make an educated low-ball offer without specific contractor documentation?
Jul 18, 2008 01:28 AM
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Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Lobon

Don't you think that after a year, the sellers (and agents) of these fixer upper homes will get the idea that their price may be too high? Or is your area really slow moving? The important thing to note is how is the property priced? Is it at, below, above market value? Then go from there. Some agents convince their sellers to deliberately price a home under market to stimulate interest. Others can't make their sellers budge on a pie-in-the-sky price.

Have you called the agents and ask them what the sellers are inclined to do? I've called agents in similar situations, and they tell me to "just submit an offer --- ANY offer!" That gives me the clue that the price is very negotiable.

If you say these homes need all the work done, including lifting or replacing the foundation  --- that's practically rebuilding a house. Are you inclined to go that route, or can you bite the bullet and go for the newer homes with less of a headache?

Here's a really good link to find out the estimated costs and paybacks of certain projects. You can also check out the regional costs.

http://costvalue.remodelingmagazine.com/index.html

Good luck!

Jul 18, 2008 04:06 AM
Natalie McArtor
Long & Foster - Gainesville, VA

Enjoyed reading your comments; what is wrong with these people!!  It is so frustrating making these people make "fair and reasonable" offers; which has become my favorite slogan!  "MAKE A FAIR AND REASONABLE OFFER"...lowball is not fair. 

Jul 19, 2008 05:17 AM
Jon Wnoroski
America's 1st Choice RH Realty Co., Inc. - Green, OH
Summit County Realtor

You are serving your clients correctly when you provide them with all the information they need to make a decision.  It is the client who will provide us with instructions on how to structure the offer.  We serve our clients by being advisers on Real Estate matters and providing them with data relevant to the property and neighborhood that interests them.  This also includes speculation on the possibilities of having or not having their offer accepted.  I'm not sure there's more we can do and we certainly don't engage in "arm twisting."

 

Jul 20, 2008 12:40 AM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

It is amazing but buyers read the hype and they have to get a better deal then the last buyer did or they didn't get a good deal.  Such a shame.

Jul 20, 2008 08:57 AM
Breanna Ochoa
Metro Realty Partners - Houston, TX
Realtor - Houston, Sugar Land, Pearland

I have found with first time investors or first time buyers sometimes they just do not believe the numbers you put infront of them. Sometimes it takes allowing them to put in lowball offers and have them be rejected for them to come around and listen to your advice.

Aug 28, 2008 08:00 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Thanks, all...

Slowly but surely, my clients are getting educated about what we mean by BEST and HIGHEST offer and FAIR MARKET VALUE...but the lessons come at the high price of having to look at so many properties, getting excited, writing offers, only to have their hopes dashed because someone else has beat their price.

The REO market is so robust right now that we are competing each and every time we write an offer.

 

Aug 28, 2008 09:55 AM
Tiffany Burke
Group one real estate - Corpus Christi, TX

I wish I could make about 100 copies of your blog and hand them out with my new client package that I hand out at first meeting.  This must be a nationwide trend b/c I've been having the same challenge here in Corpus Christi TX and the truth is our market is going strong but I still have clients who even wan to low ball on short-sales.  I can even understand a little low ball on a foreclosure but a short - sale.  It is mind boggling!

Aug 28, 2008 11:41 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Hello, all

I just posted do's and don'ts when writing an REO offer. http://activerain.com/blogsview/664750/Do-s-and-Don

I'm sharing this with my clients as well and telling them that this is from the REO agent's point of view, too. It helps to have a third party opinion.

All we can do is to keep giving them information, and after they get several offers shut out because they didn't even come close, maybe they'll listen to us.

Good luck.

Aug 28, 2008 01:37 PM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Lobon - I don't who the lender is for your clients, but perhaps they should consider the FHA 203(k) loan program.  This will allow them to finance some of the repairs into their loan.

I've recently converted a few of my FHA 203(b) clients to the 203(k) loan (see my blog on "Got Rehab") because everything that they're seeing in their price range are distressed REO's and short sales that need a lot of work.  Unfortunately, because they're scraping together everything they have just to get into the home, they don't have much left for repairs but with the 203(k) they will.  Not a lot of lenders do these programs so you will need to talk to one who does.  If you need a referral, let me know.

Samantha - I, too, am sorry that you have had some really bad luck with realtors.  Like any profession and/or industry, there are those who give the profession and industry a bad name and then there are the rest us who have to clean up after their mess.

As a lender, I also work in an industry where I get compared to the "bad apples" but for those who know, trust and respect me know that I am also very honest and ethical when it comes to dealing with my clients and everyone else associated with the transaction.  That's why it is so important to get the referral of a realtor as well as a lender, from someone you already know trust and respect who has had a good experience.  Please don't judge us all by the actions of a few of the "bad apples" that you have experienced.

Sep 08, 2008 05:19 AM
Paul Gapski
Berkshire Hathaway / Prudential Ca Realty - El Cajon, CA
619-504-8999,#1 Resource SD Relo
 

yes they look so nice but Foreclosures are such tough on to stomach.

Oct 24, 2011 03:05 AM