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REDFIN LAYS OFF 20% OF ITS WORKFORCE.......

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Redfin's CEO Glenn Kelman announced yesterday that 20% of Redfin's employees have been or are being laid off.  While predicting a good October but rough waters ahead after October. The reasons given were major reversals in the last few weeks. 

- stock market losses wiping out prospective down payments

- buyer tours and buyer offers down by 30%

- deals in escrow not closing due to a multitude of reasons including values not being there upon appraisals

Kelman offers that that Redfin expects to survive this tough market by allowing that even if their market shrunk in 1/2 - it would still be at 30 billion dollars a year.  Also, Kelman allowed that Redfin had been working on a change in their service which Redfin intends to go ahead and launch in November despite the layoffs. 

Kelman refers to the the Darwin theory of evolution in reference to business - in that those that are not adaptable to change will not survive - even if that adaptation includes laying off 20% of Redfin's employees. 

Kelman notes that their website engineers and willingness to share more information with consumers, their goals to make real estate services better and cheaper and their appeal to the masses will help continue to keep Redfin in the market and growing. 

This start up company is already laying off - is this market driven or product driven? 

 

 

 

 

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Julie E. Chapman

DR Horton

Central Florida

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Mary Strang
Viroqua, WI

It is hard to discount nothing, you need revenue to survive in any business model and more volume when your fees are as small as a few hundred or whatever they charged.  

Oct 15, 2008 01:24 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Nothing from nothing equals nothing.  I think I have a tear in my eye.

Oct 15, 2008 01:30 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

Hmmm could refunding a portion of your commission constitute mortgage fraud if it is done outside of escrow? 

I think it is both.  This product should have spread like wildfire but obviously there are glitches in the business model:  http://www.redfin.com/buy-a-home/faq#96985 read FAQ #35 so conveniently put at the bottom:  This option is subject to lender approval.

Problem is that I don't believe FHA underwriting guidelines even APPROVE closing cost credits when they come from the agent.  I do stand to be corrected if a lender can correct me. 

My conclusion is that they were expecting this to spread like wildfire per word of mouth from past clients but it ain't 'a' happenin because of that glitch AND many loans are FHA.  SO it is product and market that are both causing this downsizing.

Oct 15, 2008 01:49 AM
Ellie McIntire
Ellicott City Clarksville Howard County Maryland Real Estate - Ellicott City, MD
Luxury service in Central Maryland

I'm sure it sounded good in the beginning. I still believe buyers and sellers actually want service, which is what this concept does not really have or offer.

Oct 15, 2008 01:56 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Mary,

Frankly I never figured out their business model.

Jim,

You have a way with words. 

 

Oct 15, 2008 02:03 AM
Stephen Kappre
KW Hometown - Mantua, NJ
Helping You Home

Renee - I am not fully tuned in to RedFin, but here's some info.  Certain credits (from a realtor, builder, etc.) are considered an inducement to buy - so with FHA it isn't always a "no-no" - in some cases credits have to come directly off of the loan amount.  So they wouldn't be a concession or credit towards closing costs like most of us are used to doing, but the buyer may be able to lower the loan amount by the amount of the "credit". 

Your comment about "off the sheet" items - yeah mortgage companies want to know about that stuff and fraud could be the case.  In both cases just have a great loan officer to work with. He or she will get you the right info (hopefully!)

Oct 15, 2008 02:06 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Renee,

Thanks for the link.  I am much more informed.  What surprised me most is where they allow that the refunds are not income - we would have to pay income tax if we accepted these commissions. 

Ellie,

I have always through real estate was a service industry...nothing more, nothing less.

Oct 15, 2008 02:08 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Steve,

I thought all "exchange of monies" related to a transaction had to appear on the HUD settlement statement.  I won't allow any to close through my office that do not. 

Oct 15, 2008 02:11 AM
Teresa Cox King
RE/MAX of Orange Beach - Orange Beach, AL
Orange Beach and Gulf Shores, Alabama

Loved Jim's comment! Great post, Julie.

Oct 15, 2008 02:14 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

Julie:  Same same as far as my feelings on the HUD statement.    I am tellin ya that this business concept would have run like wildfire if there weren't some snags in the end.  I am betting (more often than not) there were problems with the "credits" and "refunds" as allowed by underwriting (ie:  subject to lender approval.)

As far as income, I don't think  it is ever lender approved so therefore it is a non-issue whether they pay taxes on it or not :)

Steve:  This is what I understand.  You have to have a willing participant in that game and I am thinking REO and short sale props would NOT participate in lowering prices in connection with a lower commission rate.  Redfin does NOT participate in short sales in some markets.  In the two markets they do participate, the rules are so strict that I don't even think 1% of short sales conform to those restrictions.

When you have markets where short sales make up 25-50% of the listed market share and REO makes up another 10-25% of the listed market share, it makes sense why their business model would not be as highly successful as it sounds on paper.

Oct 15, 2008 02:46 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Teresa,

I thank Jim for his comment... he is genius with words.

Renee,

Redfin is not in our market and I have learned much today from the comments on this post. 

Oct 15, 2008 03:16 AM
Cameron Wilson
Labrum Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
The Short Guy - Murrieta,Temecula,Menifee Californ

Is this comment box the place I'm supposed to be to cry over this tragic news?

I need a Kleenex to dry my eyes of the tears from my laughter.

 

Oct 15, 2008 04:49 AM
JL Boney, III
Coldwell Banker - Columbia, SC
Columbia, SC Real Estate

Well, Dawin also believed that only the strong survive. Maybe Redfin is starting to learn this the hard way.

Oct 15, 2008 06:40 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Cameron,

Sarcasm is one of your finer qualities......(right behind extremely good looking and modest).

Mr. JL,

You and Cameron are cracking me up together....is this a tag team thing? 

Oct 15, 2008 09:22 AM
Cameron Wilson
Labrum Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
The Short Guy - Murrieta,Temecula,Menifee Californ

Thank you very much My Dear. Have You been in for a eye exam recently?

Oct 15, 2008 09:53 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Cameron,

Wit is yet another one of your finer qualities......

Oct 15, 2008 01:52 PM
JL Boney, III
Coldwell Banker - Columbia, SC
Columbia, SC Real Estate

Yet another, I would have just one of his fine qualities. Yet another denotes that he has many, and I'm just not too sure of that.

Oct 16, 2008 02:13 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

J.L.

Play nice......we know it is all about you......but give Cameron just a little room please.....

Oct 16, 2008 10:12 AM
None None
Peace River, SK

Maybe CBS will give them a loan. They surely gave them enough free advertising.

Nov 03, 2008 03:42 PM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Robert,

This is true.  I have never watched 60 Mintues again since I saw the slant they put on their stories. 

Nov 03, 2008 11:04 PM