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Real Estate Poker: Moving All In Against the Chip Leaders

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Real Estate Agent with Homesmart

It’s a daunting task.  Settled in around the bargaining table, you see nothing but pros, chips stacked to the ceiling.  Looking down at your comparatively meager stack, you’re tired of getting bullied out of hands.  Offer after offer you submit, only to fold under the check-raises from predators with pockets the depth of the Mariana Trench sewn into their five thousand dollar suits.  You are being methodically ground out of the main event.

Real Estate InvestorsWelcome to the Scottsdale Real Estate Market / World Series of Poker that is 2010.  The buy-in may be cheaper, but the odds haven’t been longer since 2005.  Why’s that, you ask?  The players.  The allure of the investment windfall has brought all of the serious card sharks back into the mix.  Good for the overall health of the market, but not so good for your chances of sauntering into the saloon of your dreams and winning its title on the river with a ten dollar bluff.

The penny ante games haven’t left the Valley, but the table keeps getting more crowded with first-timers, new arrivals, second home buyers and … gulp … professional investors.  It’s that last class of gambler that is making things tough on the buyers out there who can scarcely put together a 3.5% down payment.  Throwing around cash offers like a rousing round of 52 card pickup, the investor has an annoying habit of taking a negotiation and spinning it upwards.  A great property listed at the bargain price $250,000 turns into $267,500 for the lucky bidder in a few frantic blinks of the eye.

When competing with these well-seeded makos, there are several critical mistakes that buyers need to avoid if they are to keep from busting out at the table early. 

For starters, stop reading the papers.  Despite the blanket generalizations you are inundated with on a daily basis, houses are selling.  Especially in the price range you are shopping.  In fact, that 250k range is hotter than John Goodman in a polyester hoody in the middle of July.  Below is a highly scientific composite breakdown of the various market segments.



>$1,000,000:  Harboring enough inventory to choke a disinterested goat for the next two 2 years, this price range is more lifeless than a Jim Jones after party.  With few jumbo loan options and even fewer buyers in a hurry to drop this kind of dough in a schizophrenic economy, the greatest larcenies are to be had here at present.

$750,000 - 1,000,000
:  Mostly dead, ala the pirate Wesley in The Princess Bride.  Only the occasional act of a miracle-making Real Estate agent results in a consummated sale.  If you can afford to shop this range, "have fun storming the castle!"

$500,000 - 750,000
:  Patient has a nasty hangover, but not incapable of stumbling through the house for a bottle of Vitamin Water.  Given a couple hours and a plate of pancakes, he will return to some semblance of himself.  This price range is seeing movement for homes that were worth twice as much a few short years ago, but still in a bit of a fog.

$250,000 - $500,000:  Now we’re talking.  Especially in the Northern reaches of Scottsdale, homes in this range have their boogie shoes on.  Fortunately for all but the homeliest of homes, there are plenty of willing partners out and about on the dance floor.  Some are even adept at avoiding toes as they clomp about the market in gimungous platform shoes.

< $250,000:  Sold before you have time to jump up and slap your mama.



When you hear the reports and/or anecdotes referring to the “standard” or “average” percentage you can expect to knock off a list price, you need to understand what a ridiculous notion that grotesque simplification proves to be.  In the upper reaches of the price scale, you might very well knock 20-25% off a list price due to the lack of competition.  In the frenzied segments that most cash-strapped buyers are trolling, however, writing offers at 80-90% of list price will acquaint you quite dearly with the following reaction:

“HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!”

Winning Real Estate HandFending off a throng of potential rivals, you will have to push all in when, after sitting through hand after hand of garbage cards, you finally draw the ace that constitutes a genuine housing value.  No point encouraging others to remain in the hand by going in low.  As the short stack, your only leverage is to force the issue early and hope you can stop the bidding before it starts.  Don’t give the sharks time to congregate and subsequently frenzy.  By aggressively moving all of your chips to the center of the table right off the bat, you might just chase some away to pursue easier pickings.  Let the deep-pocketed players linger for the turn and it’s all but guaranteed they will ultimately own you and the house you covet.

Price considerations aside, your next best shot to beat out the better financed buyer lies in the terms.  Hubris can be a damning thing for the guy with all the bucks, and he often fails to seek the additional information that someone in a weaker position must exploit.  Closing date, choice of title company, etc are concerns that Doyle Brunson over there just might expect to force through on the power of his awe-inspiring cash.  If your price is relatively competitive, your financed offer still has a shot at beating him out if you can find the terms that are most advantageous to the seller and include them. 

As to the homes you chase, knowing which table to sit down at is as important as the poker skills you bring to bear.  Bank-owned properties are going to be the most difficult for the novice player to obtain.  Financial institutions will sit on your offer for 3-7 business days while additional offers pile up, and they won't give a fig about any terms other than the ones demanded by their associated addenda.  It's tempting to sit down at these REO tables, given the big payouts, but it's often a fool's errand for the guy just in town for the weekend with his buddies.  You'll have more success if you stick with the slightly less lucrative owner-occupied resales that blunt competition from the pros. 

It’s not easy out there, despite all that you’ve heard, so remember to act fast, act decisively and save the gamesmanship for the slots.  Everyone wants a deal, but you can’t secure a value without first securing the property.  At prices that have rolled back to levels not seen in six to seven years, there’s no need to get greedy.  The well-positioned homes have the value already built into the price.

If you want it, and it comps out, don’t talk yourself into spitting in the wind with an offer predicated on faulty logic.  The national economy and generic offer-to-list-price-percentage paradigms have nothing to do with this one house and those who would buy it out from under you.  Long metaphor short, don’t write a $200,000 offer on a home listed at $250,000 that is worth $300,000.  Only adds unneeded time and heartache to your quest.

See house.  Evaluate house.  Make best offer to purchase house.  Buy Paul expensive, celebratory steak dinner. 

Easy :)


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Comments(9)

Michael O'Donnell
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Arizona Properties - Scottsdale, AZ
GRI, ePRO, Accessible Homes

Paul,

Great strategic advice, with a reference to The Princess Bride to boot!

Feb 22, 2010 03:46 AM
Paul Slaybaugh
Homesmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ Real Estate

"No more rhymes, and I mean it!"

"Anybody want a peanut?"

Love that flick, Michael.

Feb 22, 2010 03:57 AM
Pam Dent
Gayle Harvey Real Estate, Inc. - Charlottesville, VA
REALTOR® - Charlottesville Virginia Homes / Horse

Paul - Love the poker analogy.  Long metaphor short, don’t write a $200,000 offer on a home listed at $250,000 that is worth $300,000. I wish more clients would listen to this advice.  So many of them believe that all homes should sell for a firesale price.

Feb 22, 2010 01:42 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Paul, this is a great illustration of why all real estate is local. We have some investors, but not the flood that you describe. Under $300,000 is definitely the sweet spot here as well - that is a national trend for sure.

Feb 22, 2010 02:08 PM
Melina Tomson
Tomson Burnham, llc Licensed in the State of Oregon - Salem, OR
Principal Broker/Owner, M.S.

Paul just remember that when you write up those bad offers to say "As you wish." 

Feb 22, 2010 03:10 PM
Paul Slaybaugh
Homesmart - Scottsdale, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ Real Estate

Pam - The one-size-fits-all mentality plagues every human endeavor in our all too evident quest for control in a world full of variables.  People hear firesales are available, so a firesale they expect.

Sharon - We are deluged with them.  Makes things interesting, that's for sure.  Some times for the better, sometimes not.  The only constant is that buyers and their agents must work their little hinies off to secure the best value in the active price ranges.

Melina - As we all roll down the hill towards oblivion with ridiculous offer in hand.  That is gold.

 

Feb 22, 2010 03:47 PM
Maggie Dokic /Indialantic | 321-252-8696
Magdalena Dokic - Indialantic, FL
Selling the beach in Florida's space coast

Paul, another great read. 

"Stop reading the papers," all by itself should make a huge change.  Some buyers refuse to believe that we actually know what we're talking about when we talk about our markets. 

I had one guy from out of town who kept telling me, "but CNN says," every time I tried to reason with him about his lowball offers.  And this guy had close to a million in cash to play with.  I finally sent him packing.  And he ended up paying double what he was trying to pay.  Why?  Because the market said so. 

Feb 23, 2010 09:29 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Hi Paul!  Funny that you wrote this and I missed it a couple of days ago!  Right now, I am smack dab in the middle of several buyers who INSIST upon making low-ball Offers and it's becoming exhausting. The most frustrating thing is that we demonstrate the VALUE to them by way of even a next-door property sale in the last few WEEKS, and they STILL want to low-ball!  "Nationally real estate is down 30%--I know this area is NO different!"  Wanna bet?

One client who has placed THREE low-balls on foreclosed properties, which are already priced below market value, has SEEN the results in all three of the property Closings--all three sold ABOVE list price.  STILL, the synapse widens!  Hubby told me to fire one of them last night--problem is, they're in the $1M price range and they HAVE to purchase in the next three months!

Feb 24, 2010 01:45 PM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate

Hey! No mama slapping! *sheesh* And I WISH we had that market! Oh wait. We did. 4 years ago! Just before the whole thing decided to tumble down around us >.<

Feb 26, 2010 03:50 PM