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Are You Being Suckered? Why Paying Someone to Submit Your Site to Search Engines Flushes Good Money Down the Drain… (Part 3 – Conclusion)

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Services for Real Estate Pros with InHouse Writer

his is Part 3 of a three-part tutorial. Click here for Part 1   Click here for Part 2

“Okay, Kay. I’ve submitted my site to Dmoz, how long will it take to show up on the search engines that use Dmoz data?”

Dmoz says: “Once your site is listed in the ODP [Open Directory Project], it may take up to 2 weeks or more for your site to appear on any of the search engines that use ODP data. It is the responsibility of those search engines to pick up the latest version of our data."

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HERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS... 

When I created my InHouseWriter.com site, it took three days for my Dmoz submission to transform into a link in Google. And that was the search engine I cared about.

I’ve had Webmasters tell me that to get indexed so quickly is unusual. However, I’ve done others and had a similar experience.

I don’t know if following the Dmoz guidelines to the letter had anything to do with it. I think it did, but I could be wrong. It's not hard to give those Dmoz editors exactly what the guidelines specify. And it could mean getting rubberstamped right on in.

Let me be clear about something so I don't lead anyone astray: listing your site in Dmoz has nothing to do with Search Engine Optimization (SEO). SEO has to do with WHERE your site appears in the results served up by search engines. That is something entirely different, and you may well need a good SEO person/company to help you with that.

With that said, Google supposedly gives a little boost in ranking to sites listed in Dmoz. So, if you’ve had your site for a while and it’s NOT listed in the Dmoz directory, go ahead and list it there. Do this even though your site is already indexed by Google, Yahoo and the other top search engines.

If you’re already paying someone to “submit your site to search engines,” DO NOT BE AFRAID TO STOP.

And I guarantee you they are NOT manually submitting your site to directories. Manual submission is the only way directory submissions can be done. This is because a form must be filled out that is protected against spammers and submission software, which is what these bogus services use.

I hope this tutorial has alerted you to the fact that when you pay someone to submit your site to search engines—whether it’s to 500 or 500,000 of themyou are buying nothing of any value whatsoever. You would get far more value from your money by donating it to your favorite charity.

Writing for your success,

Kay Steele Faulk
The Real Estate Copywriter

Author of
"A Copywriter's Guide for Real Estate Professionals -
How to Write & Lay Out Your Own Personal Brochure"  -  Get YOUR Copy NOW!

If you found the above information useful, you might also like What is a Personal Brochure and Why Should You Care?

 

 

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Kay Steele Faulk, The Real Estate Copywriter
 
Specializing in Real Estate Sales Letters and Real Estate Personal Brochures
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Comments(30)

Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter
Jim: Here is an informative discussion at the Dmoz forum on the topic of editors' possible conflict of interest. From my understanding of it, it would take a conspiracy of editors to keep someone out for competitive reasons. A single editor couldn't do it. My belief in and experience of human nature make it very hard for me to think that is why some experience a long wait. Thank you for commenting........Kay
Sep 30, 2007 09:33 AM
Mary Strang
Viroqua, WI
Kay thank you for the compliment on my site, I enjoy working on it and hope it serves buyers and sellers well. I appreciate the educational post you wrote and am busy trying to sort out how to get some insight into how placement works for being found on the Internet. Mary
Sep 30, 2007 10:57 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
On some sites I've submitted, and resubmitted several months later there is no action. I've been doing SEO for years, and found for the most part DMOZ the least responsive of all.  So what am I left to believe?  It is my understanding that it is volunteered based..., so why would a person choose to work a particular category like real estate? 
Sep 30, 2007 11:06 AM
Kate Bourland
Marketing with Kate - Redding, CA
Onlilne Marketing Mobile Marketing

Kay, this is one of the best blog posts that I've seen on SEO.  There are too many people stealing peoples money for SEO.  Great resource and great tip.  I've taken down all my old websites and am currently building my personal site.  I'll definitely use this tip.

Sep 30, 2007 10:29 PM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Mary: My favorite SEO expert is Jill Whalen. Here is her bio on Wikipedia. She has a good newsletter you can sign up for at her Web site. She and her team answer SEO questions on her forum here.

Another top resource is SEO Book. I think you will be greatly encouraged by what the author has to say here. And here are his free tutorial and other free SEO tools you might find useful........Kay

Jim: I don't know. Did you read the forum discussion I linked to above? It explains a lot about this issue. I know real estate is highly competitive; however, there are thousands of agents listed on Dmoz from across the country, many of whom are competitors within their local markets. Don't get me wrong ... I don't propose to know that it's not about competition. But that theory is just too much of a stretch for me to believe it. I do know the guidelines say that resubmitting slows the process to a crawl........Kay

Kate: You would profit from the resources I linked to above in my comment to Mary. Check them out, especially SEO Book because it's kept so current. Thanks for commenting.........Kay

Oct 01, 2007 12:56 AM
Cari Pilon
RE:STYLE Home Staging - Brighton, MI
RE:STYLE Home Staging

Hi Kay,

Special thanks to Marti Garaughty for posting a link to this series.

I recently interviewed a company that quoted me $10,000 - $20,000 for SEO. I told him to nicely take a hike. But when I called around elsewhere, I was quoted similarly. I can't figure out what could possibly cost so much and if I was being taken advantage of. I know that you stated that this series wasn't about SEO persay, but the above links have helped me to understand what it is all about, so thanks.

Question for you though, DMOZ sounds very familiar, I am not sure if I had sumbitted in the past. If I did, it was probably well over a year ago.

  • Would it be of any detriment to search my company name before submitting it?
  • If it was a long time ago would it be okay to do it again?
  • If my site has undergone major changes in that year would that make a difference?
  • If my site is going to change again soon (I dispise our home page) should I wait?
  • If we are changing hosting services (we are soon) should I wait?

 Thanks!

PS. After a month of no call back from me, the guy called me and said after a little research he realizes taht it should only be betwwen $5000 and $10,000.

Oct 18, 2007 09:11 AM
Victor DaGraca
Critical Home Inspections - Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach Home Inspections

Cari

Before you put out ANY money for SEO, I suggest that you purchase and read (easy reading)

Search Engine Optimization for Dummies.  Available at Amazon... I bought mine at Barnes and Noble.

At least then you'll know how you're getting fleeced.

It'll also answer your questions about DMOZ.

Oct 18, 2007 09:36 AM
Cari Pilon
RE:STYLE Home Staging - Brighton, MI
RE:STYLE Home Staging

Thanks Victor,

No way am I paying anyone who couldn't even tell me exactly what I was paying for. I even asked him if the search engine criteria changed in 6 mos would I have to pay all over again and he said probably, yes.

Now I will buy a book! Thanks for recommending that title!

Oct 18, 2007 09:49 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Cari: the P.S. in your comment above really made me laugh. If you ever do decide to get some outside SEO help, find the person/company on your own by researching and asking others for referrals. Do not give your money to someone who solicits you. Not that there's anything wrong with solicitation. But this field has too many who prey on others' lack of knowledge. Also, I highly recommend SEO Book. There's a link to it in the comment above yours.

Here are some important points: 

  • SEO has a lot to do with common sense. Provide the people who visit your Web site with good, informative content about the service(s) and/or product(s) you provide, to the tune of at least 250 words per page. And then provide the search engines that visit your site with the things they need to recognize the relevance of your content to particular search phrases people will use to search for information about your subject.
  • The only thing a search engine wants to do is to offer their searchers relevant information. But the robots are dumb and need certain indicators to show them that your information is relevant to particular search phrases. That's what SEO does to a site's content: provide those indicators. Things like page title, description, bold, links, etc. How hard is that?
  • Plus, the search engines themselves will tell you what indicators they are looking for so you can put them in. At a search engine site look for something like Webmaster guidelines, etc. Here's a good starting point for Google: How to Create a Google Friendly Site   You don't have to do everything recommended. If you don't understand something, leave it out. As your knowledge grows you can do more things. AND the search engines will tell you what NOT to do. This is very important information.

  • The things the search engines need are NOT hard. And they can be explained in simple English. So, if someone is talking to you in jargon-laden language, which is used to make you think SEO is more than it is (to justify outlandish fees), run, run, run. Sign up for Jill Whalen's newsletter and read SEO Book, and you'll do fine.

I searched for your company on Dmoz and couldn't find it. It never hurts to search on Dmoz. About changes, the Dmoz guidelines have some information about that. Also, if your domain name will remain the same, changing hosting services shouldn't affect anything. I'm so glad this information helped you. Sorry this is so long..........Kay

Oct 19, 2007 02:12 AM
Daniel J. Brudnok, REALTOR
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Fox & Roach, REALTORS - Exton - PA License #RS-225179-L / Delaware License #RS-0025038 - Downingtown, PA
SRES, e-PRO,ABR,GREEN,CSP

Kay,

Thank you for the advise.  I am making a lot of changes for 2008..you have provided a very hungry brain with more food for thought.

Have a great weekend!

Oct 19, 2007 02:21 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter
Victor: Thanks for the good resource! ........Kay
Oct 19, 2007 02:22 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter
Dan: Glad to be of help. And thanks for commenting! ..............Kay
Oct 19, 2007 02:28 AM
Cari Pilon
RE:STYLE Home Staging - Brighton, MI
RE:STYLE Home Staging

Thanks Again Kay,

I actually wanted to switch hosting companies and started my search locally, I wasn't solicited. I wanted to be able to sit down face to face with whoever I was going to do business with. I wanted a brick and mortar to go to and I wanted to make sure the guy wasn't sitting there in his underwear! He wasn't, but I'm still not giving him $10,000. I will for sure read everything suggested. Thanks!

Oct 19, 2007 02:35 AM
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Kay,

My website was listed with DMOZ some six or seven months ago and it still isn't included, so I don't know about that directory. It's good to know that paying someone to submit your site to search engines is mostly waste.

Oct 19, 2007 05:50 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter
Esko: Nice to meet you ... and I'm glad you found this info valuable..........Kay
Oct 22, 2007 02:26 AM
Miro Fitkova
Fitkova Realty Group - Boston, MA

Thanks.  Just recently I had someone calling me to pay him for submitting my site to search engines.  What is you position on paying for someone to do your one way links?

 

Miro in Boston

Nov 26, 2007 06:57 PM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Miro: Thanks for commenting. It's important that links to your site be from high-quality sites, so select them carefully. Links from low-quality sites can actually hurt your search engine rankings.

Here is a link to a Google search for "real estate directories." As you see, many, if not most, require a subscription or link fee. So, the ones you choose, if any, should be part of your overall marketing strategy. My opinion is that you will not suffer if you're not listed in any of them. There are other important things you can do to your site to help your search engine rankings besides having lots of inbound links such as making your page titles keyword rich and providing relevant content for your site visitors.

For free relevant directories, I would not pay anyone to do this for me, but if I did, I would require a custom report verifying those directory links. And I would check them out. Just remember that once your site is submitted to a relevant directory, it does not have to be re-submitted ever. The key word in all of this is "relevance."

Also, each of your blog posts here at ActiveRain should contain a link to your site, perhaps beneath your signature. Hope this helps..........Kay

Nov 27, 2007 12:22 AM
Andrew Trevino
ADT Real Estate - Wilkes Barre, PA
Wilkes-Barre Homes For Sale

Kay,

This is some great info and right on the mark. I have never paid for the exposure, yet I am on the first page of Google and MSN. Dmoz helped a great deal with that. I get the calls constantly from companies who picked up my name from Active Rain and want to sell me on their services to push my name up on the search engine lists. Great post.

Nov 29, 2007 03:49 AM
Christopher Ohlsen
Credit Werx, LLC. - Malone, NY
Thank you for the information. I recently thought about paying for some submissions. I'm glad I read this post first. Thanks.
Nov 29, 2007 05:49 AM
Kay Steele Faulk
InHouse Writer - Lake Village, AR
The Real Estate Copywriter

Andrew: Thanks for the confirmation. You'd think they'd have the good sense to do their research before calling someone. That alone is a red flag. Congrats on the Page One ranking...........Kay

Christopher: I'm glad you read it too. Now you can use those funds for something that WILL help you.

I've been away from AR for several months. And your comment is the reason I'm going ahead and replying at this late date. Hopefully, it will bring the post back on the list and others can profit from this information too. I hope people will read Part 1 and then Part 2 to get the full benefit. Thanks for letting me know that it helped you..............Kay

Apr 10, 2008 06:05 AM