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Slip Sliding Away in San Diego - La Jolla Homes Collapse

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Real Estate Agent with eXp Realty of California, Inc. CA DRE #01490977

California has a reputation for land slides, earthquakes, and shifting earth. San Diego is no exception. We have not suffered the significant damage from earthquakes that has occurred elsewhere in California (e.g., San Francisco), nor have we has the serious landslides that had hit the state in the last few years apparently due to heavy rains

San Diego has had another incident where Mother Earth has won again, in this case a collapse of a major roadon Mt. Soledad in the tony suburb of La Jolla. You can read more on this event here.

La Jolla is known for its expensive homes, many of which are built on dramatic hillsides, some rather precariously (median price currently is about $1.650 million). The 4-lane road is a major thoroughfare in and out of La Jolla leading to Pacific Beach. There have been some concerns about a possible shift in the earth due to cracks observed in the road and other changes, and this is not the first time this has happened. While no one was hurt, a number of homes were damage (the extent is not clear yet) and many were evacuated.

This incident certainly raises questions that have come up before. Should homes be built in areas that are prone to shifting earth? Are builders, or the city, in some way responsible or is there no way to truly prevent these sorts of incidents. And what about people who knowingly build or buy homes in areas that are at risk?

Insurance companies in CA do not provide landslide insurance so there can be significant costs associated with these events, which, if the area is declared a state or federal emergency, cost taxpayers money. No doubt there will be much controversy over this event as there was, and still is, in Laguna Beach and La Conchita. Should the state, or the city prevent the building of homes in these areas? Hard to say.

UPDATE 10/4 - I have done some more poking around and it seems that there is one company that will provide landslide insurance. If a flood causes a landslide then that appears to be covered, but homeowners should never make assumptions and should check with their providers. Insurance might also cover the cost of demolition of a house that is severly damaged but not the cost of the house. A landslide on its own is not covered, except in this one policy (which I expect is very costly).

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Leigh Brown
Leigh Brown & Associates, RE/MAX Executive - Charlotte, NC
CEO, Dream Maker - Charlotte, NC

I was watching this on the news this morning, and wondering what in the world you do when your house falls into a hole and your insurance doesn't cover it? 

But as far as the inherent risks involved...I guess that would mean that no one would live in California, right?

Oct 04, 2007 02:51 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

So true, Leigh. But there are issues everywhere. I can't imagine seeing my home heading south down a hill or into a hole. But it would not be much different than having it smashed by a hurricane or tornado. Or washed away in a flood. Lots of homes are built where we know there are risks. But the insurance thing is hard to take. you spend so much for it and then get nothing?

Jeff

PS - Sounds like you are heading out here! Looking forward to meeting you

Oct 04, 2007 03:07 AM
Kim Wood
The Tech Byte - West Chester, PA
Kim Wood ~ The Tech Byte
I hate to be so repetitive, but I'd decided what my comment would be while reading .... Insurance doesn't cover landslides???? WOW.    Do Buyers KNOW when they buy in a landslide area?  Is this on your seller's disclosure or something?
Oct 04, 2007 03:10 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate
No landslide insurance? Are you serious? How can they do that? That would be like not having wind or flood policies in Florida!
Oct 04, 2007 03:59 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
Saw this on the news and immediately thought of you.. I hate to say it....but... these guys know these are marginal locations..  they know how risky these sites are and they build anyway.. There was just a big lawsuit by some idiots who bought land in the slide area of Palos Verdes.. no big slides in last 10 years so they want to build and the city says no way.. they are suing.. if they do build and the house collapses after a big rain or an earthquake they will sue because the city let them build there..
Oct 04, 2007 03:59 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Kim:

Yes, there are natural hazards disclosures that address these issues. However, a home can be in an area not consider prone to landslides, or liquefaction, etc. according to the report, and they can still happen - a sink hole might appear, or unusually heavy rains can cause problems. There is always a risk, which is why, I suppose, insurance does not cover this. I have to say that when I see some of the homes built on the edge of cliffs you really have to wonder about the safety.

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 04:01 AM
Roberta LaRocca
Simply Vegas Real Estate - Las Vegas, NV
REALTOR®, Broker, Salesperson, NV. Lic BS.507
Jeff, I saw this on the news also.  No landslide insurance?? Wow!  I guess there are risks everywhere, though.  If you have disclosures on this subject, I guess the buyers are aware of it.  It would still be quite a shock! 
Oct 04, 2007 05:02 AM
Debbie White
Southeast Alaska Real Estate - Juneau, AK
I Sell Alaska!

Up here, landslides and avalanches are covered by flood insurance.  It's a special policy that the company only gets a fee from the government... I don't remember all the details but that could get you started on a possible solution.  If I remember correctly you have to have a FEMA declaration to get paid when something goes wrong.

Oct 04, 2007 05:08 AM
Elaine Reese, REALTOR® in central Ohio
Real Living HER, Powell Ohio - Powell, OH

No landslide insurance??? Not even for a high price??

There's something to be said for the "flatlands". ;-)

 

Oct 04, 2007 06:04 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Lisa - see my update - there is one company I found that will cover them (but I imagine there are all sorts of exceptions and limits).

The issue I suspect has to do with the nature of a landslide and what causes it. The earth crumbling on its own will not be covered, but if created by a flood it probably would. Not unlike earthquake insurance which, while available, is pricey, and many people elect to not purchase even if they are in an earthquake zone. Not sure if the issue of previous knowledge (buying in an area where landslides are know to happen) has an impact. And people have sued for damages even when they built where they were told not to due to landslides (see Kaye's note).

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 06:45 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Kaye- you are so right. I continue to be amazed at how developers cut off the tops of mountains and strip all the vegetation to build homes, and then the rain comes and guess what...And then we have the homes built on sheer cliffs. Or the people that build in a high erosion one who then sue for damages when their home gets destroyed in the first major storm. Only in America.

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 06:49 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Roberta - even with disclosures, however, there can be issues. A major company that provides natural hazards disclosures is being sued because of erroneous reports. So even if you have a report it can still be incorrect and you are at risk. Whether you can collect damages then is unclear.

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 06:51 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Debbie - it is definitely a complex issue. But if I understand correctly a landslide NOT caused by a flood would not be covered unless you had this special policy from Lloyd's. I certainly would not want to test out this theory.

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 06:53 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Elaine - well you have a point there. But we don't get tornadoes, at least I don't think so.

Jeff

Oct 04, 2007 06:55 AM
Sharon Simms
Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International - Saint Petersburg, FL
St. Petersburg FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS

Amazing that there is no (effectively) landslide insurance in CA.  Floridians are complaining about the high cost of insurance, but at least we have insurance. "Normal" insurance, flood insurance, wind insurance, even sink-hole insurance. Many people don't realize, though, that our flood insurance is capped at $250,000 - just a drop in the bucket for the many multi-million dollar homes.

Oct 04, 2007 02:39 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Wow- I saw that on the news. Just incredible! I had no clue that insurance was not available for this kind of stuff.

 

Oct 04, 2007 11:28 PM
Kim Wood
The Tech Byte - West Chester, PA
Kim Wood ~ The Tech Byte
Jeff, interesting...on the hazardous disclosures you have....  I didn't even think that it could be so obvious - houses on a cliff.... yeah, seems like a potential risk there!      Thanks.                
Oct 06, 2007 04:27 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Sharon - that is such a good point. I think many homeowners make assumptions, which disasters like this clearly point out are erroneous.

Jeff

Oct 07, 2007 03:11 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Monika - yep, it's kinda scary. I suspect part of it is because there is such a good risk, in many areas, that the insurance companies figure they will lose more than gain, so they will not insure. Again, it is an issue about not making assumptions.

Jeff

Oct 07, 2007 03:14 PM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Kim - Well, disclosures are what they are...sharing of known information. Peopel can choose to believe it, or pay attention to it, or not. And they must recognize that is if not necessarily fact, unforunately. And it they need more informaiton THEY are responsible for the due diligence.

Jeff

Oct 07, 2007 03:17 PM