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Helping a customer find flooring and saving them money - Hastings-on-Hudson NY 10706

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Home Builder with The Flooring Girl

Sometimes the customer tells you they want something...but it turns out they really want something else (and don't always realize it).  Has this ever happened to you?

Westchester NY tile flooringIt happened to me again last night.  I have a customer remodeling their kitchen.  Kitchen remodels are always expensive and often cost more than what the homeowner was hoping for.  Sound familiar?  Well this customer asked for tile flooring (which of course I'd be happy to help them with).

Well it turns out that their floor is sloped and to install tile, will cost them a LOT more than usual as we would need to level out the floor.  In addition, my customer thought that installing tile was relatively inexpensive...that's what her friends told her...after all the tile isn't that expensive.  I almost started to choke and gasp a little.  I said, yes, that is true...often the tile is not that expensive...but that doesn't matter because you get killed in the labor cost.  I try to look at the TOTAL cost for labor + materials.  Here in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic, the material for tile is less expensive than hardwood (generally), but the labor for tile is way more expensive.  Usually when you combine the two together (and that is the relevant way to look at if for the customer), tile is more expensive than hardwood.  And, in this case, they already had hardwood floors on top of plywood.

Westchester NY hardwood flooringI then looked at the hardwood in their kitchen and it was in pretty good condition.  Sure, it needed to be refinished and we would want to change the color, but it was easy enough to work with.  I told them I'd be happy to rip everything up, level out their floor and install tile if that's what they wanted...afterall, I'll make more money on that.  But, it would be a lot less expensive to either refinish their hardwood or put new hardwood in there.

And, then, this was interesting...the wife said, I always preferred hardwood anyway.  My feet are already hurting me on the hardwood.  I told her tile will just make her feet ache more.  Then, she said, oh and tile is cold...looks cold and feel cold, so if we did tile, we might want to get radiant heat (which of course incrases their budget).

I then showed them samples and did an estimate...and guess how much the difference was????

If this customer did tile, it would cost them 3 to 4 times the amount that new 4" wide hardwood would cost!!!

So now my customer is happy.  First, I saved them a lot of money.  Second, we found a good color for them.  Third, I found them a surface that is warmer and easier on their feet.  Fourth, I told them about some new rubber/foam mats that have a lot of cushion that they can put in front of the sink - two of my customers had this...but, I forget where they got them so I need to find out.

Off topic, they showed me their bathroom w/ some blue/white tiles that they really disliked but couldn't afford to retile.  I told them how they could get them refaced and made white or some neutral color and how that will be a lot less expensive vs. replacing all of the tile.  I told them I'd be happy to retile this or any other bathroom, if they would like.  but, hopefully I've gained their trust and they'll call me back for the backsplash in their kitchen.

Every home is different and every kitchen is different and all our customers are different.  Sometimes hardwood flooring is the right way to go and sometimes it's less expensive; other times tile flooring makes more sense and there may not be much of a difference in cost.  it's good to speak to a professional who knows...and one who isn't biased towards one surface vs. another.  If you call a tile place, tile is the better option; if you call a hardwood place, hardwood is better, but if you call a flooring place, the answer is it depends on your needs, your budget and condition of the subfloor.

 


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Comments(20)

Ryan Gale
Long and Foster Realtors - Rockville, MD

Buyers are ever fickle about 3 main things.  Bathrooms, Floors and Kitchens...  You handle one of these and do a great job.

May 05, 2011 05:51 AM
Kristine Ginsberg
Elite Staging and Redesign, LLC - Short Hills, NJ
NJ Home Stager

Debbie - only the most moral, ethical person would make less money by recommending a better solution that's less expensive with an overall better out come..........for their client! No doubt you will have a customer for life and you have such a high referral rate - you put your client's needs above all else and I commend you for that. I and many others have the opposite experience with vendors and your story is so refreshing!

May 05, 2011 06:50 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Ryan - Yes, very true.  We take care of bathrooms, too and a good portion of the kitchen.

Kristine - Oh, thank you.  You are so sweet.  Let's cross our fingers that this one works out.

May 05, 2011 08:11 AM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo

Debbie - You can reface tile?  That outdated, ugly old tile from the 70s and 80s????  If you can, I have a lot of jobs for you!

May 05, 2011 09:08 AM
Dan and Amy Schuman
Howard Hanna Real Estate Services - Solon, OH
Luxury Home Specialists

In answer the the question you asked in the first sentence, most buyers end up buying something totally different than what they originally planned to buy. It sounds like you do a great job of asking the right questions, Debbie and I enjoyed reading your explanation of what tile can be more expensive.  People often forget to factor in labor costs. 

May 05, 2011 09:54 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Dagny - LOL, I can't do it, but I know someone who can.  (but, now that you are mentioning it, I keep referring jobs too and I can prob. easily get a lot of jobs here in the future...so maybe this is something we need to look into.

Dan - Yes, I can easily see that happening in real estate, esp after price comes into consideration.  Thanks, and so glad you enjoy reading these posts.  That means a ton to me.

May 05, 2011 09:59 AM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Debbie-

As Kristine, that was an extremely refreshing story.  You obviously put your customers first, which doesn't surprise me at all.  Unfortunately, this is not always true in the home improvement business.

Thanks for sharing!

May 05, 2011 10:33 AM
Laura S. Baker
First Weber Inc - Lake Mills, WI
Realtor (920) 728-4118, First Weber Inc

Debbie, you are incredible.  You put the needs of your customers first.  You saved them money.  You found the best fit for them even when they didn't know what the really wanted.  Best of all,... You made customers for life!  You go girl! 

May 05, 2011 11:48 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Kathleen - Thx. You are so sweet.  We believe in taking care of our customers right.  That will lead to more repeat and referral business and it's just good practice.

Laura - Thx so much,  let's hope so.

May 05, 2011 12:14 PM
Christine Smith
Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com - Canton, MA
Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA

Debbie....that is a great story & if I were the customer, I would be so impressed that you would definitely have me as a customer for life.  And I did not know either that tile could be resurfaced!

May 05, 2011 01:37 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Thx Christine.  That is really nice to hear.  And, yes, you can reglaze tiles.  So if you have those old pink or blue or green or eyllow ones in the bathroom w/ the black stripes, this isa good solution for you.

May 05, 2011 01:43 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Debbie, i am so sure they appreciate your recommendations and your cost analysis for them ...i do agree that when they look at the labor costs it just sometimes becomes too expensive..great post...

May 05, 2011 11:36 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Ginny - Thx so much.  Yes, it is important to look at total costs because it will sometimes steer you in a very different direction.

May 05, 2011 11:38 PM
Brian Madigan
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage (Toronto) - Toronto, ON
LL.B., Broker

In just about every application, I prefer hardwood over tile, but entrance foyers and bathrooms still need tile, and perhaps the basement too if there is a potential water leakage issue.

 

May 06, 2011 12:51 AM
Peter Schattenfield
Turning Point Estate Services LLC - Wilton, CT
Estate Dissolution and Preparation (203)388-8092 CT.

Debbie, One of the things we often see in a client home walk through, is the sorry condition of the floors. It's good to know that we can call you for a fair assessment of, and a cost effective solution to the problem.

May 06, 2011 01:06 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Great story with a message. You are there to help your customers make the right choices, not grab the most money for your self. In the end you will have a lot more business because of your integrity. Nice job!

May 06, 2011 02:39 AM
Anita Clark
Coldwell Banker Access Realty ~ 478.960.8055 - Warner Robins, GA
Realtor - Homes for Sale in Warner Robins GA

Debbie...an excellent post that hits on part of the reason you are so successful in the flooring industry...you listen and care about your clients.  You could have easily pushed the more expensive tile but probably lost them as a future customer.

May 06, 2011 09:33 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Brian - Yes, I really do prefer hardwood...except definitely not a bathroom and basement completely depends on humidy/leakage and whether it's been waterproofed.  Entry way is often better tile, but sometimes hardwood works w/ entrance mats esp if the area leading up to it is well covered and/or the homeowner tends to enter via garage.

May 06, 2011 10:08 AM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Peter - Thx.  Yes, I'm happy to help and I always do my best to give a fair assessment.

James - Thx, that is exactly right, and I hope in the long term it helps.

Valerie - Yes, that is so true!

Anita - Thx.  I appreciate that.  you are so right.

May 06, 2011 10:11 AM