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Reblogger Maureen McCabe
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Brian Brady who now posts on ActiveRain as Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California wrote a post that got a lot of comments yesterday. This is a Re-Blog. Thanks to Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California the lender formerly known on ActiveRain as Brian Brady for allowing the post to be Re-Blogged.

It's interesting that Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California  or Brian chose to close comments on his featured post, after starting a conversation. His featured post now says:  Comments have been disabled by the author

What did you think of Brian's post advising buyers? 

Here's a poll in case you want more anonymity to comment (use other.)

I did change the title on my post where I am speaking with members of ActiveRain about Brian Brady's post titled "Negotiate The Buyer Broker's Commission Before You Look For a Home." Brian's always had a way with words... I would bet he got a lot of clicks even if people did not comment. Clicks from ActiveRain members? Clicks from consumers?

I was looking for a post Brian wrote in 2006 about lenders / loan officers having fiduciary responsibility to buyers (?)  or perhaps his point was that although a real estate agent has fiduciary responsibility to their client... they ought to butt out when it comes to financing?  Hard to say, since the post which generated a lively conversation conversation as I recall is no longer available.  Brian's next is there.  The next post refers to the missing post.  There is a link to the missing post in the next post.  A post Lenn wrote the same day is there, What is a buyer's agents duty of fiduciary?

Lenn commented she thinks the missing post said the buyers agent had fiduciary duty to the lender.  Lenn  commented to my inquiry yesterday:

"He changed his mind. " 

Original content by Brian Brady NMLS 2415712

Are you seeking a new home and deliberating over which real estate agent to use?  Beware of the five most common things real estate agents, representing buyers, say about their compensation:

1- My services are free to you; the seller pays me.

This one is the most common and it is entirely untrue.  The current compensation model provides for the buyers’ representative to be paid a co-brokerage fee from the listing agent.  The listing agent is paid by the seller who receives the proceeds from the sale by…

…YOU.  The buyer.  The trick is that the 2.5% to 3.0% co-brokerage fee your agent earns, is most likely “financed” by you over the life of the loan.  That makes the buyers’ brokerage fee “feel” like 6-7%.

2- My compensation does not conflict with my ability to represent your interests aggressively.

This one is simple math.  If the buyers’ agent is paid a percentage of the purchase price, her financial interests are aligned with a higher sales price.  Most agents I know operate ethically but make no mistake about it, until real estate commissions are divorced, the compensation is never mathematically aligned with aggressive buyer representation.

READ:  Do Sellers "Bribe Buyers' Agents With A More Attractive Commission?  (tangentially related to point #2)

3- We’re not allowed to “rebate” the commission to you.

That’s only a lie in 35 states.  In most states, you can negotiate a buyer brokerage fee and have the “excess” compensation from the co-brokerage fee either

(a): credited towards your closing costs (if allowable) or

(b) sent to you post-closing by check.

4- Only discount real estate agents, like Redfin, can negotiate the buyer’s brokerage fee.

See #3; all commissions are negotiable.

5- The Buyers Brokerage Agreement is not something we really enforce.

It’s a contract, folks and it’s often slipped in the pile of documents you sign when you make an offer.  Sometimes, it isn’t even explained until your offer is refused by the seller. Then, the agent reminds you that you’re “joined at the hip” for twelve months.  Read these documents before you sign them.  If you only want this agent’s representation for the duration of the negotiation for a particular property, make her specify that in the agency agreement.

Most real estate agents are good and honest professionals.  Even the honest ones though, won’t necessarily offer you an opportunity to discuss their compensation unless you bring it up.  Feel free to print this article and review each “statement” with them before you look for a home.  It could save you thousands of dollars.

PS:  Food for thought-

Why would a buyer pay an agent twice as much money for an “easier” transaction?

Ask your agent about a recent difficult transaction she negotiated.  She’ll most likely brag about a first-time home buyer who bought a bank-owned property.  She’ll dazzle you with war stories and perhaps even tear up a bit about the pride she felt when the new homeowners moved into their home. Ask her how much the price was, then…

…explain that you’re buying a home from a seller with equity (no bank involved), are impeccably qualified, and intend to close quickly.  Compliment her on her dedication to the first-time home buyer and have her acknowledge that your case should be much easier for her to handle…

…then offer to pay her the same amount as the first-time home buyer did.

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Chuck Carstensen
RE/MAX Results - Elk River, MN
Minnesota/Wisconsin Real Estate Expert

I read it and commented on it initially.  I would not doubt that it was a bit of a counter to maybe him getting agents to tell buyers to ask for a discount from him.  Otherwise it probably wasnt a wise post.  

Jun 29, 2011 01:15 AM
Barbara Charlton
inactive - license is on ice with State of MN - Lakeville, MN

Maureen, thanks for reposting. I think it started a good conversation, BUT I also think the tone of Brian's post is blatantly accusatory. When the opening paragraph states "beware," it does not frame what follows in an educational manner.

Knowing how Brian REALLY feels about buyer's agents is interesting, since he has to partner with them on each transaction. It also sounds like he has a (completely justifiable) axe to grind about the recent changes to loan officer compensation, and won't be happy until REALTORs are paid in the same fashion.

It's his closing about the "agent tearing up" over helping a first timer buy a foreclosure, and the "gotcha" at the end, that makes me wonder why/how this mortgage professional stays in the business when he demonstrates such disdain for a key part of his business.

Jun 29, 2011 01:17 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Thanks Chuck and Barbara, I think there were some who were scandalized by his post....

Barbara wrote: "Brian's post is blatantly accusatory"

He writes that way?  It's his style?  He gets reaction.

I don't know that I thought of it as accusatory but he sure stirred the pot. 

He writes for bloodhound blog...

Jun 29, 2011 01:46 AM
Mike Jaquish
Realty Arts - Cary, NC
919-880-2769 Cary, NC, Real Estate

I wonder why he disabled commentary?  It is a GREAT conversation, and the commentary ranged from insightful to boilerplate to entertaining.

Yes, his post conveys some attitude.  Big deal.  Agents need to adjust to how consumers view us, and it is NOT always with reverence.

Jun 29, 2011 01:47 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

"I wonder why he disabled commentary?"

I wonder too.

I wonder why he is back posting on AR.

I wonder why bloodhound blog had no new content for 10 days. Nothing.   Yesterday was their 5th birthday...? or maybe today is.  Nothing to howl about?  Waiting for their big 5th birthday for effect? I seldom read it but went looking when Brian was posting here.

 

Jun 29, 2011 02:05 AM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Not sure why he stopped comments because I had a few words to add. I voted and do think it was a great conversation on AR, too bad there isn't more of them.

 

Jun 29, 2011 02:56 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Looks like everyone is voting "great conversation"  I was sure there were some who were reading but not commenting... of course I have no way of knowing what the stats are on the post but I thought there had to be members who were scandalized and would have voted that it was offensive, to them.  

Not voting that way...

Jun 29, 2011 03:07 AM
John Novak
Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace - Las Vegas, NV
Henderson, Las Vegas and Summerlin Real Estate

Brian originally posted this article on June 18, 2009 on Zillow with the title Five Lies Buyer Brokers Tell Home Buyers (About Commissions). Looks like these ideas have gained little traction over the last two years.

Jun 29, 2011 04:01 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

John, I wondered about your comment!  I went looking for it on Zillow but did not find it, so thanks.  Divorcing the commission is BHB party line isn't it?   I wondered about using a 2006 link about rebates as the authority in 2011.   

Recycling is good...

Jun 29, 2011 04:06 AM
Mike Jaquish
Realty Arts - Cary, NC
919-880-2769 Cary, NC, Real Estate

Kudos to John Novak.

Jun 29, 2011 04:13 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

John's good...  Brian answered on Facebook, my wall why he closed comments. 

Jun 29, 2011 08:05 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

Comments opened again.  I had a full day and couldn't properly monitor the post

Jun 29, 2011 01:20 PM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I see that! 

Jun 29, 2011 08:40 PM
Hrisco & Associates
Hrisco & Associates - Roanoke, TX
Roanoke Homes for Sale - Roanoke Neighborhoods

Hi Maureen, wow what a conversation and I agree with the majority of the comments above from the other members....especially Barbara @2.....it's this kind of unfounded, inflammatory commentary by other people in our industry that can really be irritating.

Jun 29, 2011 09:47 PM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

It's good that the conversation is back open to comments.  Great reblog, BTW. Of all the comments and debate, I think the most interesting comment is the one about divorcing commissions from the sales process.  The only way to do that would be for agent compensation (or lender for that matter) to be charged just as lawyers and accountants do, by the hour.

Jun 30, 2011 02:19 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Thanks John and Bryan... I think John's comment may have inspired a new post.  In a few days....

Bryan wrote: "The only way to do that would be for agent compensation (or lender for that matter) to be charged just as lawyers and accountants do, by the hour."

Really?  Why?

Do you read the BloodHound Blog?

 

Jun 30, 2011 02:50 AM
Karen Anne Stone
New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX
Fort Worth Real Estate

Maureen:  Every once in awhile a post like this is written.  One of the things that still mystifies me is that usually the writer is making some sort of blanket universal statement... proclaiming that whatever it is he is talking about... is some sort of "gospel" truism that applies, or is law... everywhere... in each and every one of the fifty states.

Why they cannot understand that each state is capable of anywhere from a slightly different policy on whatever it is... to a major difference on the subject.

One thing Bill wrote... about the Buyers Agent rebating part of their commission to be paid by check... to the buyer... "outside of closing."  He said it borders on mortgage fraud.  Well... if it is paid before closing and funding... it very well may be considered to be mortgage fraud. 

But paid by the Buyers Agent to the buyer after closing and funding... in many states is perfectly legal and allowable.  In fact some state's Real Estate Departments... encourage rebates after closing... saying that they obviously benefit the buyer.

So... very often the best answer on a question like this... is "it depends."

Jul 03, 2011 06:43 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I thought I responded. 

Complex consumer issues dealt with as tabloid trash will probably be how I remember this in the future.  Brian's post is down? Not sure why he would do that.  He closed the comments again a second time.  Then deleted it?  Hid it?  The content is here and on a couple of other Re-Blogs by lenders, I think. The conversations aren't there.

Thanks for the comment Karen. 

Jul 08, 2011 09:59 AM