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Targeted by Internet Scammer - Blow by Blow Account

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Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Realty ARE# 84291-0

I am not the smartest cookie in the jar, but even I could see this one a mile away.  Well maybe not right away, but then again I did mention that I am not the smartest cookie.  Recently I was contacted by a supposed buyer that lived in Milan, Italy.  I advertised my personal condominium for sale on a web site called SubmitTheOffer.com.  I made sure to note in the advertisement that I was a licensed realtor selling my personal property. 

Well I was pleasantly suprised when 2 days later I received an e-mail from the lady from Italy.  Here is the originating letter:

Hello, I Would love to acquire this property. I intend to employ the service of an attorney for the purchase   because i am currently in Milan, Italy. The transaction will be handled by the attorney. He will come to inspect the property, go though the documents and give me a feed back.The advice and opinion of the attorney will determine if am going to acquire the property. I hope you understand. Email me direcly at : sherryzzzzzz@gmail.com Awaiting your soonest reply. Thanks

Name witheld

I am not sure why I am withholding her name because it probably is not her name.  In fact she is probably a he.  I was somewhat excited to receive the e-mail.  My "Smell a Rat" radar was about a 10 on a scale of 100 at this point in time.

Here is my reply:

Thank you for your e-mail concerning the property we have advertised SubmitTheOffer.com.  We would be happy to provide any information that you need.

Please let us know what information you need.

Best Regards,

Steve

Here is her reply:

Hello

I am currently talking to an attorney to oversee the buy-sell process because I dont have an attorney at the moment. Hopefully by tomorrow I will be able to finalize everything thing with the attorney. I shall get back to you with the outcome of my meeting with the attorney.

Thanks for your response

In internet-scam lingo, I think this would be the set up stage.  Behind the scenes, let me get my co-conspirators lined up.  The next day, she was ready to implement the plan.  Here is the e-mail:

Hello,

Having contacted the attorney, he stated categorically that he will
not be able to represent me to inspect the property due to some
important official duties. He recommended another attorney for me in
the States.

I have the service of Jason Bradley Kell recommended to me. Jason
Bradley Kell practices in the following areas of law: Immigration,
Real Estate, Corporate, Family Law, Personal Injury, Entertainment
Law, Divorce.

We spoke at length on phone on the property, he advised proper
inspection, legal documentation and necessary paper work. He will be coming to inspect
the property, discuss price, payment with you and other proceedings.

He made certain things known to me that before inspection, a 2 day
hotel accommodation should be made available before his arrival.

In order to save the attorney the time and energy in getting a
suitable hotel not too far from the property, you are in a better
position to book an hotel accommodation.

I shall make available to you money for the hotel accommodation, you
will book 2 days hotel accomodation before inspection of the property.
Please advice on whose name and address should the check payment for
the hotel accommodation be sent to.

You can get in touch with him as to when he will be coming for the
inspection.

Email:
attorney-jason@excite.com
phone: 3478538877

Awaiting your reply.

Name witheld

At this point, my "Smell a Rat" radar was about a 110 on a scale of 100.  Just to be prudent, I did research the attorney's name and cell phone number.  I determined the cell phone was a New York number so I searched New York and New Jersey Bar Association member lists.  That is one professional e-mail address for the attorney isn't it?  At this point in time, I am not sure why, but I had to respond to my supposed buyer.

Is there some reason that you are using an attorney from out of state?
Wouldn't you like to be represented by an attorney that practices in the
state that you are making the purchase?  I could provide you a list of local
attorneys that would be happy to assist you.

Steve

Here is her reply:

The attorney is from NY, his service was highly recommended to me due to his experience in real estate. I do not think booking a 2 day accomodation should pose any problem to you. Once you give me a list of hostels in your locality and cost per night, I shall make  check available to you for the booking. In your next reply I will need hotel cost, and your full name and address to send the check to.   Waiting to hear from you.

Name witheld

I noticed at this point that she was always waiting to hear from me.  And since she was waiting to hear from me I had to oblige.  Please note the sarcasm

Name Witheld,

I am worried that you may be getting scammed.  You have to be very careful.  The internet makes it very easy for dishonest people to take advantage of you.  I am not sure how you located the attorney, but if you found him over the internet, I would be very wary.

I am very suspicious that the attorney is not a practicing attorney.  I can not find the attorney's name in the list of attorneys in the state of New York.  Normally an attorney would have a more professional e-mail address than one provided by excite.  The phone number that you provided also is not found.  I would think an attorney would have a staff that could make necessary hotel accommodations.  Law firms would not rely on someone outside of their firm to determine nice accommodations.  In this day and age, there are all kinds of hotel recommendation services available over the internet.  As someone that formerly worked in a law firn, I know that these firms normally pay for their own expenses and then bill their customers for those expenses.

I hope that you have not given any money to this person.  If you want to provide his law firm name and address, I would be happy to look him up for you since I am in the states and in would be easier for me to do so.   I can then forward my findings to the local and federal authorities.  There has been an increase in investigations into cases like this.  Please let me know how I can help you verify that the attorney (or person acting as an attorney) is not trying to take advantage of you.

Besides the place that you are buying is very nice.  There would be no need for hotel accommodations.  The attorney could stay in the unit that you are buying.  So if you verify that the person is an in fact attorney, there would not be a need for added expense

Best Regards,

Steve

I thought it was very nice of me to point out to her that she was buying a condo, and that renting extra accomodations would be a waste of money.  I thought that this would be the last time that I heard from her.    But I was wrong.

Steve,

  Thank you so much for your concern, I really appreciate. With internet these days one has to be very careful. Well..I have the full details of the attorney in question (HIS NAME AND ADDRESS, DATE OF BIRTH, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER).So I have nothing to worry about. I only need you to render extra services for me. I believe we are both looking forward to getting this transction completed as soon as possible.   I am just trying to meet up with the attorney's requirements, which are:   To make his hotel accommodation ready before his arrival and also his service charge.   My main concern is how to get the service charge to him in NY in cash as against the check I have here in Italy.The attorney is requesting for his service charge before he can come for the inspection. I need you to render extra services for me. I intend to send you a check which will cover accommodation and service charge.   You will have to book a 2 day accomodation for him with a near by hotel to you and then send the rest of the funds to his Law firm for his service charge so as for him to be able to come over for the inspection and the payment of the property.   I will need your full name and address to send the check to.   Pls endeavour to contact the attorney.

Note that there is now an additional problem with paying the attorney in advance for his services.  But she offered to send me a check for these expenses.  That was very accomodating of her, don't you think?  At this point in time, no crime has been committed.  I however felt that I needed to report this activity to the local police and I filed a report with them with a copy of all of the e-mails.  I also filed a report at www.ic3.gov/ which is a site for reporting such activity.  I also sent an e-mail to the supposed buyer that I had made these reports.

The police said that the scam artist was either trying to obtain all of my personal information for identity theft or obtain my bank account information for emptying its contents.  Unfortunately the local police does not have the resources to follow up on scams like this. 

The internet has allowed us the opportunity to market our properties in ways never before possible.  There are sharks in all waters trolling for blood.  Just be careful on who you are dealing with on the other side of that e-mail.

 

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Konnie Mac McCarthy
MacNificent Properties, LLC - Cobb Island, MD
Broker/Owner - VA & MD "Time To Get A Move On!"
I have had similiar inquires to properites I have listed, or I have gotten emails about someone stating they have all kinds of money they want to put in my account to invest in real estate...what is confusing is...deceiving someone like this takes a lot of work..and creativity...why don't these people get a job...
Oct 31, 2007 12:20 PM
Eric Bouler
Gardner Realtors, Licensed in La. - New Orleans, LA
Listening to your Needs
I guess you are one of the few who took it this far. I rarely ever to get to open them much less read and respond. The Italians are much better at their letters than the Nigerians. Maybe on late nite televisoin they have shows on fleecing America over the internet. Buy the intro course and get started? 
Oct 31, 2007 12:28 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

You're very patient.

I'd have been gone after seeing "attorney" in the first paragraph 4 times.

Funny how folks that really want to buy real estate and are looking for an agent to help send very little information, or complete our Contact Us form. 

 

Oct 31, 2007 12:28 PM
Michael La Fay
Meadow Lakes Supply Co. - Wasilla, AK

Another thing they like to do is send you those checks and OOPS, they wrote them for the wrong amount... much higher than the actual cost would be... and please keep a little extra for yourself when you send them the difference via Western Union...

They use "Cashier Checks" that look quite legitimate... and the bank gives you the money and then bam... they draw the funds out of your account because the check is bad...

So lets say they send you a check for $1000... the cost was actually $300.... They tell you to keep $100 for being so helpfull, blah blah blah and then the bank takes $1000+ dollars from your account because it was a fake check... it usually takes them a couple of days to realize this too...

People suck.... (And no this didn't happen to me, but someone tried to pull that on us with our Plumbing/Heating Supply company)

Oct 31, 2007 12:37 PM
Steve Shaw
Keller Williams Realty - Mobile, AL
e-PRO, Gulf Region Properties Team

Konnie - Thanks for the comment.  I believe for these scammers this is a job.  They send out e-mails and then they  "follow" up with the dopes like myself who respond.

Eric - I do not think she/he/it was from Italy,  I think it sounds nice to say that you live in Milan, Italy.  I suspect that she is from one of those African countries that have the Internet shops that a over-run with such entrepreneurs.  Thanks for the remarks.

Lenn - You are so right.  Thanks for the comment.

Sara - I am probably one of the most naive persons in the world.  I saw the Dateline episodes that deal with such shenagans.  I just never thought it would happen to me.  By the way, I like the slogan!    

Oct 31, 2007 12:56 PM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Nice job Steve, and I must say I agree that this is a scammer.  Then again, at least they 'seemed' to write back as if they were actually legit.  You did well in you retorts and I enjoyed the post!   Personally, if I'm getting an introductory email pertaining to business from a yahoo, hotmail, excite, etc.....com address. they sleep with the fishes:-)

Oct 31, 2007 11:01 PM
Steve Shaw
Keller Williams Realty - Mobile, AL
e-PRO, Gulf Region Properties Team

Jason -

Thanks for the comments.

It seems that I have many legitimate prospects with yahoo and gmail accounts.  However I look at each e-mail with a suspect eye.  I guess this particular one my view was slanted because it I was attempting to sell my personal unit.  I was hoping that they actually wanted to buy my unit.

Nov 01, 2007 12:37 AM
Anonymous
Holly Purdy, Realtor-Coldwell Banker Bob Yost-Sites

Steve,

 THank you so much.  I got a very similar email, googled the attorney's name, and got to your blog.  You saved me a lot of hassle.  I was skeptical (which is why I googled), but also hopeful.  It's a tough market here.  Any lead is a little exciting.  I really appreciate the heads-up.

 

Holly

Nov 03, 2007 06:49 AM
#8
Anonymous
terri, realtor in maryland

 

Steve,

 I recieved the same email last night, and sure it sounded fishy.  But your site confirmed it.  I did a Google search for Jason Bradley Kell, and voila, your website came up.  Thank you.  It's nice to see Realtors looking out for each other.

 terri engnoth

 

 

Nov 03, 2007 11:44 AM
#9
Steve Shaw
Keller Williams Realty - Mobile, AL
e-PRO, Gulf Region Properties Team

Holly and Terri -

Thanks for the kind words. 

Glad that my post was of some help.  I guess that if you are in the business of scamming folks, it is much easier having the same name as the attorney.  It would really be difficult keeping up with all the names.

 

Nov 03, 2007 11:47 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous
One of you fools just paid $6000...
Dec 01, 2007 10:51 AM
#11
Steve Shaw
Keller Williams Realty - Mobile, AL
e-PRO, Gulf Region Properties Team

I hope that you are real proud of yourself.  It must be a rough life to live without morals.  You are an internet version of a purse snatcher.  I will do what I can to spread the word so that low life like you can not prosper from other misinformed actions.

Dec 01, 2007 11:01 AM
Anonymous
Steve Shaw, Gulf Region Properties Team

I was once engaged in internet fraud. I scammed a fellow 2 years ago, I made away with $16,000, I was happy but I regret it now.

Dec 24, 2007 06:47 AM
#13
Joseph "Joe" Peters
Coldwell Banker - Warren, NJ
Helping you to achieve your Goals and Dreams
Great presentation on this subject.

I use absorption rate statisticcs with both buyers and sellers.

Se my post at: http://activerain.com/blogs/jpeters
Apr 07, 2008 03:00 PM
Steve Shaw
Keller Williams Realty - Mobile, AL
e-PRO, Gulf Region Properties Team

Joe,

Thanks for the post.  I enjoyed your blog.

Apr 07, 2008 03:08 PM