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December 16 2001 Know your RASS from your ARASS. Short sale heaven...and hell.

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Real Estate Agent with Alain Pinel BRE 01367196

December 16, 2011  In one day, short sale owner receives 23 copies of the same document    

One would think that since the short sales have turned into a horrendous tsunami, that there would be some processes put into motion to stem the damage or at least control the movement.

But Nooooo......

Working on a particularly troubling Chase short sale.

HeadacheWe’ve been in contract since September. We’ve been passed from one negotiator to another, and we’re on our third. Delays are due to incomplete and incoherent instructions. The last one was getting an ARASS  (Alternative Request for Approval Short Sale) Form instead of a RASS (Request for Approval for Short Sale)

When we told them about their oversight in not sending us the complete instructions and forms, someone generated a request. My client received the forms and then some. In one day, my client received twenty-three -- yes, 23 --- copies of the same document!

What’s the difference?

RASS upon listing the property: Request for Approval of Short Sale. After the borrower contracts to sell the property, the borrower submits a RASS to the servicer within 3 business days for approval.

 

ARASS upon acceptance of offer. Alternative Request for Approval of Short Sale.  The borrower already has an executed sales contract and asks the servicer to approve it before an SSA is executed.



And on another short sale....

Homeowner gives me a folder of all the documents she’s collected. But they’re not well-organized. Still had to collect additional information from both the seller and the buyer’s agent. Completed the documents, but had to put them in workable stacks, scanned them and organized them in workable files and folders so that I can efax them accordingly per the Short Sale Package from IndyMac. Finally submitted the complete file. And the waiting begins.

Where did time go?

Good news on one short sale

Closed escrow on a Bank of America short sale. After four buyers backed out, we finally got a buyer who stuck it out, and a sympathetic negotiator courtesy of BOA Twitter.

Comments(13)

Marie Graham
Owner, The Refreshed Home White Plains NY - White Plains, NY
Westchester County Interior Decorator, Home Stager

Pacita-you had me at RASS and ARASS! Been reading a LOT about bad CHASE stuff...used to be BOA was on the hotseat, seems they've been displaced...congrats on that property going thru.

Dec 16, 2011 05:23 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

Sounds like you are experiencing a long short sale Pacita, hope things work out soon.

Dec 16, 2011 07:32 PM
Emily Medvec
eXp Realty LLC - Santa Fe, NM
Broker | Realtor | Serving Santa Fe & Northern NM

Pacita, this process is beyond bizarre! Sounds like your experience with RASS and ABRASS is to close to HARRASS for your client. What is surprising is our buyer side clients have had excellent service from Chase with conventional non-short sale financing. Hang in there as your clients are fortunate to have your real estate know-how and assistance.

Dec 17, 2011 12:15 AM
Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP
DFW FINE PROPERTIES - Flower Mound, TX
Selling Homes Changing Lives

Pacita,

That poor dog sums it all up perfectly!

Shorts sales are no laughing matter. You earn every penny - if you're lucky to get any at all!

One of these days somebody from Chase is going to be sued and I hope they win a million or more!

Patricia

Dec 17, 2011 03:15 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Marie --- it wasn't any different when I represented a buyer on a short sale. The listing agent was so frustrated that she reamed the negotiator a new __s. The negotiator was so pissed off, she threatened to cancel the approval just two days before we were supposed to close escrow. But that's another story.

Tom --- I've onely had one really short sale, and that was with Wachovia. The longest are always Chase and Bank of America

Emily --- guess if one receives 23 copies of the same letter, that could be considere hARASSment.

Patricia --- thank goodness it's Saturday. I can attend to other things besider short sales.

 

 

Dec 17, 2011 04:21 AM
Doug Bullwinkel
E Mortgage Capital, Inc. NMLS 1416824 - Roseville, CA
Mortgage Loan Officer NMLS #281609

It's possible that the approval rating of banks may soon drop below the approval rating of politicians.  It may already be there.   This process can be very frustrating. 

Dec 17, 2011 08:31 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Doug

Frustrating is an understatement. Some of us who do short sales will continue to do so, however...we have to help folks in distress.  We help these folks get into their properties...so when they need to get out, we should help them as well.

 

Dec 17, 2011 08:53 AM
Marge Piwowarski
Phoenix AZ Horse Property - Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix AZ Horse Property, LLC

I have boundless admiration for listing agents dealing with short sales.  I couldn't be paid enough to do that.

Dec 17, 2011 11:09 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Marge -- it's time consuming and nerve-wracking at times. But the gratitude from the folks we help makes it worth the work.

 

Dec 17, 2011 12:59 PM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Pacita,  I feel your pain.  My client received four approval letters.  They all had a different date.  Who generates multiple requests.  Ironic that we wait so long to get the approval letter and then we get several of them.

Dec 17, 2011 03:30 PM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Kathleen

As long as we get those approval letters, we're happy :)

Dec 17, 2011 04:03 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Pacita, a day in the life....I have a headache too after reading the details of this post! lol Congrats on the BofA closing and helping inerrant negotiators to knwo their business.

Sharon

Dec 17, 2011 04:54 PM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

Sharon

My brother who was in the military, used to tell me "Observe, learn, adapt, conquer". That's what we do in real estate and in real life :)


Dec 17, 2011 05:54 PM