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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

What I find astounding is when inspecting a house I find a component that by all rights should not be functioning. For instances an ancient heating system that that looks like a cauldron from hell, but fires right up the moment the thermostat is turned. Often things that look bad, usually operate the way the appear or not at all.

Usually.

Sub panel missing neutral and ground wiresThe one thing or should I say force that does not go by the looks bad is bad rule is electricity. As I just alluded to, electricity is a force of nature that man has learned to harnessed. We understand how it behaves and can bend it to our will...to a point. It's akin to a wild mustang that has been broke, there is forever an underlying wild streak.

If there is one aspect of electricity that should give any casual electrician pause it's this; Even when a circuits wired wrong it may still work.

I found a perfect example of miswired and functional on a recent home inspection. The house had two electric panels, a main and a "sub" panel. Sub panels are often in my experience incorrectly and unsafely wired. I believe in many instances they are installed by a contractor or homeowner, not a licensed electrician.

The wiring in this panel was quite unusual. I think most people are casually familiar with modern house wiring. Inside every outlet there are three wires. A hot or feed wire, which is usually black, but can also be red. A neutral wire, which is the white wire and a ground wire, usually bare copper, but sometimes is an insulted green wire.

When I removed the sub panels cover, conspicuous in their absence were the ground and neutral wires. There are six individual circuits in this panel going to numerous receptacles through out the home. And everything works just fine.

Where are all the missing wires? In the main panel above. Without going into all the technical stuff, suffice it to say it's not right and potentially unsafe.

Which demonstrates why electricity should be left to the pros. Just because it works doesn't mean its right. Or safe.

 

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
NRSB #8SS0022
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

 ASHI Certified Inspector

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Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Of all the do it yourself jobs I have attempted in my life - electricity is not one.  I know my limitations.  Sadly, many others do not.

Mar 27, 2012 10:58 PM
Brian Schulte
Allison James Estates & Homes - Sierra Vista, AZ
SFR, Sierra Vista, AZ

"If it works don't fix it" is also another popular phrase.

What about "If it will burn the house down, call a Pro"

Prayer will not cover that.

Keep Smilin'

Mar 27, 2012 11:06 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

I hate to think of where all those wires have been terminated James.

 

Mar 27, 2012 11:31 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, That is one sweet arrangement there.  Got to love when you find that kind of stuff. So who needs all those extra wires anyway ; )

Mar 28, 2012 01:54 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

James- my husband, Larry, is a home builder and very handy, but when we put in our first hot tub (an old wooden one) he had the good sense to hire the pros when it came to the electircal work.  Thank goodness.

Mar 28, 2012 06:08 AM
Craig Rutman
Helping people in transition - Cary, NC
Raleigh, Cary, Apex area Realtor

There are two things I never mess with when doing home repairs. Plumbing and electrical. I'm not qualified and the dangers of doing it wrong can be costly, and like in this case, deadly.

Mar 28, 2012 07:39 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That is cute.  Did that sub panel "service" a new area of the house, or an "upgrade" somewhere?  Was it labeled on the cover?

Mar 28, 2012 09:56 AM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

Why clutter up the panel with extra wires? If the lights come on it must be done correctly. It's all great untill someone gets hurt or burns down.

Mar 28, 2012 10:00 AM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Most of us would know our limitations, but there are many examples of many people that never understand.

Thank you for sharing the post with all of us.

Mar 28, 2012 11:32 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

But look how much less cluttered the panel looks----it is just another form of "staging" :)

Mar 29, 2012 03:01 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Gary, You are a wise man.

Brian, Or, it has never been a problem. Love that one too :)

Tom, In another panel.

Don, I know, too much clutter can make everything look so messy ;)

Kathy, Very wise decision, especially when it comes to electricity and water. 

Craig, At least with plumbing you you won't end up in the hospital or worse dead if you screw something up.

Jay, It was labeled and for some additional features in the lower level.

Rob, Exactly.

Joe, Those people give me job security and something to write about. :)

Charlie, It does look very neat. :)

Mar 29, 2012 08:40 PM