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Knowing the Financial Philosophy and Standing of a Potential Partner is Growing in Importance

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Knowing the Financial Philosophy and Standing
of a Potential Partner is Growing in Importance





     I read an unbelievably interesting article on  Yahoo! Finance  today.  The focus of the article was  credit scores, so it's no stretch to see why the topic caught my eye. But this article had a little bit of an eye-catching twist to it, especially if you are presently single, dating, or hoping to.   

Contact Gene Mundt, Mortgage Lender for info and assistance re: credit, finances, and mortgages     The article reported how credit scores are increasingly becoming a topic of conversation for those dating these days.  And that those conversations regarding credit scores are occurring earlier and earlier in the dating timeline.  Some as early as the first date.

     Wow!  Tough topic to throw at someone when you're just getting to know them, right?  


     As a  Mortgage Lender,  I applaud the recognition of the importance of this topic and I am thrilled that many (especially among the young) are finally "getting" that credit scores matter.  

     I've written something a kin to this topic in my prior post,  "I Promise to Love, Honor, and ... Pay My Bills?"  In that post, I urged having a talk with your "significant other" prior to entering marriage or purchasing a home together ... and of the perils of not doing so.  I would add now that "that talk" regarding credit and money should occur reasonably soon in the establishing of a relationship.  It's far less difficult or emotionally charged at an earlier stage and could save issues from arising later.

     According to the article I found this morning (and written by the New York Times) "Perfect 10?  Never Mind That.  Ask Her for Her Credit Score." ...
 
    "It’s difficult to quantify how many daters factor credit scores into their romantic calculations, but financial planners, marriage counselors and dating site executives all said that they were hearing far more concerns about credit than in the past. “I’m getting twice as many questions about credit scores as I did pre-recession,” Ms. Thakor said."  (Manisha Thakor is the founder and chief executive of  MoneyZen Wealth Management, a financial advisory firm.)

     It was also reported ... according to many daters under the age of 40, credit scores and the gauge they supply are so widely used now that they have become a big factor within their own dating.  Factors so big, that they at times have outweighed other things like good jobs, shared interests, and physical attraction.  

     While I again will say that I applaud the rising awareness and importance surrounding this important topic, I do want to point out two things that grabbed my attention regarding this article: Although the headline of the NY Times Articles reads that you should "ask her" about credit scores, I think that line is a bit sexist.  I don't believe the issue of poor credit is gender driven.  As a Lender, I see both males and females with credit problems and in need of credit advice.  

     I would also say to those dating ... everyone ... it's my opinion that credit scores and attitudes regarding credit and finances CAN evolve and change.  Those in the past that have abused their finances and credit/credit scores CAN right their finances and financial ship ... and they CAN navigate themselves into higher scores.  It's simply NOT a case of "once a low credit score, always a low credit score".  

     People mature.  People gain from their experiences.  People change their ways.  I see it happen and I've helped those people accomplish what once would have seemingly been viewed as irreparable.  Guided and assisted them back into sound financial health and good credit scores. They became Home Buyers or Refinanced.   It takes a willingness to change, time, lots of hard work ... but it CAN be done.

     There were good links within this article.  I recommend that you read it ... and perhaps pass it on to others that might find it of interest too.  There's real insight and help available within it.  But I will point out that many Mortgage Lenders provide credit guidance and assistance as one of their services.  I know I certainly do.
The Importance of discussing finances/credit when dating 
    Typically a Lender's credit guidance and assistance includes an initial running of a credit report.  A great place to start.  And many times that credit report (and guidance/assistance) is provided FREE of charge.  Especially if you're hoping to buy or refinance a home in the future, a Mortgage Lender can be the perfect place to begin your credit inquiry, get back on the path to credit improvement, and best place yourself in a good position to buy or refinance a home fairly soon ... or in the futureThe earlier you start the better.

     Knowing the financial philosophy and standing of a potential partner is growing in importance.  There is no doubt about that, especially after reading this article.  The ramifications and fallout of poor credit are presently high and growing also.  And these negatives touch upon both partners in a relationship in many ways.  Both financially and emotionally.

     Take the time now to discuss the important topics of finances and credit over thoroughly.  Listen well.  Have a willingness to take action also, should other features of your partner be positive.  Seek assistance and guidance, should it be necessary within a relationship.   Being "in sync" regarding these important topics can determine much in your future. 




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Comments(23)

Anna "Banana" Kruchten
HomeSmart Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Gene I heard this on the morning news and I thought.....really?  Not sure that's the conversation I'd be having when just getting to know somebody (if I were single and young) - albeit financial responsibility and behaviors would be important at some point if there was an interest.  Interesting points in the article.....good post! 

Dec 27, 2012 04:20 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Gene - Thanks for a very interesting post - I'll probably be mulling it over for a while. I'm high mileage, and looking back, I can't think of a single time I would have ever been too concerned about that in a dating context, nor do I think it ever would have provided any knowledge that would have made the slightest difference in how anything might have turned out any differently than it did. In any event, it certainly isn't something I have to worry about at this point, which is good, because I haven't a clue how to raise that issue gracefully in a dating context.

Dec 27, 2012 04:21 AM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

I just read this article yesterday.  This definitely seems to be a new trend. This is becoming a very clinical world.  So sad.

Dec 27, 2012 05:06 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

I am surprised at the number of boyfriend/girlfriend, fiance, etc folks who want to buy real estate prior to the wedding.  Sometimes the wedding is a long while off. 

 

Dec 27, 2012 05:30 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Teral:  Thank you!  I've heard that money and politics are the biggest determinate of future happiness within relationships in this day and age.  Modern life!  I appreciate the re-blog greatly ...

Anna:  Not sure I'd be having that conversation as early as the first date ... but I don't think I could overlook "clues" either.  But I think it's good info for the younger generation to have moving forward.  Especially if this is a growing trend.  Better to know what the "bar" is for assessment and not be taken by surprise, right?

Dick:  I'm sure for some it is less of a concern or thought than for others.  Maybe financing and credit is in my DNA, but I think I'd be alarmed at some behavior or spending habits enough to forego moving forward in a relationship, should those be taking place.  Having gotten married at 20, I'm thinking I got lucky!

Jane:  I agree.  I had a secretary once that told me she asked about salary immediately.  If the guy didn't make enough ... he was gone instantly!  Now THAT is clinical.  Thank God my wife didn't use that measuring stick when we first dated.  I'd be one lonely guy ...

Lenn:  So true!  And I'm always amazed at the number that buy while planning a wedding too.  The stress level and pressure typically is through the roof for ALL involved.  I, like you, are always a bit more concerned about the pre-marriage buyers.  The fall-out, should the marriage not come to fruition is sad .. and messy.

Hope you have a great New Year!

Gene

Dec 27, 2012 05:47 AM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
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I recently did a mortgage for a client, that was buying a home, pretty simple transaction. My clients attorney called me after the closing ans told me, the closing was a 1st for him. He told me that the seller brought $159,000 to the close to make her side of the transaction work. Wow, new one for me as well, I told him.

I looked up the purchase agreement from my file and got the sellers name and adress and called her. Told her who I was and that I heard about the amount of money she brought to closing. She said it was a lot of money and that she was fortunate she had it to bring. I asked her why she didn't attempt to do a short sale. Her answer blew me away.

She told me, that it wasn't her lender's fault values dropped and that she signed and mortgage note, which meant she had to keep her word. I told her I honored her and how she kept her word.

Dec 27, 2012 09:39 AM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Gene - Discussing credit scores on a first date seems a bit early to me though I agree that it is important to discuss it at some point.

Dec 27, 2012 01:56 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

OK, call me skeptical.  While all of this is good information, I just don't see many young people beginning relationships based on their credit scores.

Dec 27, 2012 08:48 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Gene, this is a great article and totally believe in it...I have had that discussion as Iron Mom with both sons about any women in their life, and they both have great ones, for ever!  I have seen many a relationship gone bad due to financial mismanagement...

Dec 27, 2012 09:07 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Gene,

This is an excellent post! What a great article which I happen to believe in. Financial mismanagement is one of the main reasons for relationship failures. Young people are waiting longer to marry in hopes of making a better choice than the parents they see running a 50% failure rate!!

Dec 27, 2012 09:20 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Joe:  Just when you think you've seen and heard it all ... something like that comes along.  Amazing story!

Christine:  Although I don't see myself outright asking on a first date ... I surely would be mindful of the conversation and its tone when talking anything remotely financial.  I'm thinking I got lucky when I found my wife ...

Gabe:  Time will tell, I guess ... but it sounds like this is the beginning of a trend.  We'll see how it catches on ...

  Ginny:  Totally agree that this is a topic one should have "that talk" about with kids.  Their choices will make a huge difference in their lives.  Sometimes way beyond the life of the marriage, should they choose poorly.  I hopped over to your blog .. and left a thank you.  But thanks again ...

Dorie:  True ... and they definitely have seen the fallout from the poor choices made.  Trying to avoid them would seem natural to me.  Perhaps not on the first date .. but certainly soon ...

Happy New Year all ...

Gene

 

Dec 27, 2012 11:36 PM
Glenn Freezman
Family Abstract, Inc. - Horsham, PA

Not exactly Foreplay Gene! 

Dec 28, 2012 04:29 AM
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

Gene, this feature is well deserved.  Having your financial house in order is paramount to a successful relationship.  This is one area which has been passed down to our kids from experience and they're so much better off because of that knowledge.  

Dec 28, 2012 04:34 AM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Gene, this does make good sense, but like Glenn #15, I'm thinking "it's not exactly foreplay!"

Dec 28, 2012 06:10 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

lol Glenn, maybe not!  I think I'll just leave my comment there ...

Kevin:  They sure had alot to learn from, that's for sure.  Hopefully they make wise choices with the info they have ...

Nick:  Thanks ... I think!  I'm just glad I'm not on the dating scene any longer.  Wow ...

Gene

Dec 28, 2012 06:54 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hi Gene -- your post made me think of Suze Orman and her CNBC television show when she has guests appear who are married, dating, or even recently divorced -- FICO scores and talking about money is an important component of life and the proper blending of finances(along with all of the other stuff) is part of the overall "health" of that relationship.   

Dec 29, 2012 01:26 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Michael:  I've always heard the money is a huge (if not the biggest) stumbling step for relationships.  Being in sync regarding this matter is very important.  And I believe a key component of the success or failure of the relationship.  As you say .. the health .. of the relationship is determined by it ...

Gene

Dec 29, 2012 01:40 AM
Courtney Cooper
Cooper Jacobs - Seattle, WA
206-850-8841
Gene. I totally REBLOGGED you. You have no idea how timely this is as I sit here with my ENGAGEMENT ring.
Jan 14, 2013 02:13 PM
Lisa Friedman
Great American Dream Realty - Essex, VT
35 Years of Real Estate Experience!

What a great post.  How one handles their credit is very indicative of the decisions they make in the rest of their life. I love Joe's story #9.  Don't you wish all people could be that way?  The world would be a much better place.

If one acts disrespectfully with their money by not paying their bills, it could predict how respectful that person would be to a mate.  If the person is so unorganized and unbalanced that they cannot keep their financial life together, then it can bode poorly for how they run their personal life.  Again, great post!

Jul 29, 2013 05:29 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Courtney:  So sorry ... I just now found your comment to this blog.  I apologize for taking so long to reply.  I am so glad that this post and topic resonated with you.  Exactly what I hoped for!  Best of luck to you and your fiancé ... I hope you have a very happy, prosperous future together ...

Lisa:  I agree ... it's indicative of much and also a bit of a "crystal ball" as to the future.  Proceed with caution!  But I believe too many assume they know the financial history of their "other half" ... and how they feel regarding expenditures and saving.  They don't.  So many stories that prove that point can be found here on AR ...

Thanks for the comment ...

Gene

Jul 29, 2013 10:04 AM