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Off Market Sales -- Who do They Benefit?

Reblogger Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
Industry Observer with RETIRED / State License is Inactive Inactive License Oregon

Can you say "Cha-Ching" boys and girls?!?

This is a re-blog of Norma's post.  And, in my opinion, who benefits is the listing agent.

The "off market" listing, aka the "pocket listing" is counter-productive on many levels, IMHO. 

I wrote a similiar post about this practice a few days ago.  There's not a lot of it going on here, however I am getting very suspect of the "ZERO" days on the market bull crap found in the reporting of property sales in the RMLS.   These "off market" agents are playing hard and fast with the RMLS rules, IMHO.  Unless they have the seller's signature stating that the listing is NOT to be advertised in the RMLS, they may have some explaining to do.   I also can't fathom how the listing agent does their client any good with the double-dip, real motivation, behind this.  The in-house sales are suspect, and do one thing: make more commission income for the brokerage.  There is nothing the promotes the market, but rather, hordes listings to a bunch of greedy, want-it-all agents who want to exploit the market.  They may push a buyer into one of their listings when there may be, in fact, other GREAT properties out there that would be suitable. 

I also think this is a ploy to get buyer clients.  The sense of urgency in a fast-paced market, perhaps.  I think it's really against everything I, personally, stand for as a Realtor(r) . . . but then I like to practice with integrity and ethics.

"Yeah, let me be your buyers agent, I got your listings right here . . . in my pocket."

This practice of working entirely for the sellers . . . and this is what happens when the listing agency hordes their listings and "off markets" them, is what created the NEED for buyer agency in the first place.

Everything old is new again.

However, in this day-and-age, the Internet is the level playing field.  Buyers can look at what's on the market and not be duped by the "off market" agent.

Selling both sides of the transaction is money in their pocket.  Doesn't do the buyer or seller any good, really. 

If I were the Managing Broker I would make "off market" and "pocket listings" a DO NOT TAKE office policy.  The ZERO days on the markets are going to screw up the statistics as well.  Why have a MLS keeping stats, if they're just going to get skewed up?

Original content by Norma Toering Broker for Palos Verdes and Beach Cities BRE# 01147470

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In my opinion, this may not be the best route for either the buyer or the seller.  I do think it works well for the agents--there I said it.  If the purpose of placing a property on the Multiple Listing Service is to expose it to a wide variety of agents and their clients, then keeping it as a "pocket" listing and off the MLS is to do quite the opposite.  Yes, I know there can be many reasons for not putting a property on the MLS, but I often wonder if those reasons were truthfully explored with the seller?

 

When I represent a seller it is my duty to work diligently to obtain the highest price the market will bear.  If I only expose the listing to my buyers and agent pals am I really fulfilling my fiduciary duty to my client?  Not in my little black book of moral and ethical codes I try to live by.

 

Likewise, when representing a buyer my duty is to obtain the best deal the market will bear.  If there are 20 buyers bidding for a property what the market will bear may be grossly different than if there is only one buyer bidding on a property.  This is a difficult market for buyers and their agents, but it is crucial to keep the welfare of our clients first and foremost in mind.

 

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Kelly Bogan
Equinox Real Estate - Eugene, OR
Your Gateway to the Emerald Valley in Lane County
Thank you for re-blogging, Carla. This post helps give new agents like me an understanding of how the system works, and a language to explain value to my customers. I'll be sure to leave an appreciative comment for Norma, also.
Mar 31, 2013 06:41 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Or as Ricky Ricardo would say "they may have some splainin' to do."  This topic of off market listings is a hot one.  First one I read was Bryan, then Norna and know you.  I agree, these one day on market are so deceptive that it's no wonder that national statistics are so skewed based on the inaccurate information of the MLS.  I believe that there may be fewer really innocent pocket listings, but hey, it's not suppose to develop into a lifestyle change.  But let's talk about the MLS for a minute.  It's not like it's no secret to the MLS.  They know the rules as well as the rule breakers, so why should the rule breakers care, they don't have to be accountable to any one right?

Mar 31, 2013 07:15 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Oh yeah, Happy Easter.

Mar 31, 2013 07:15 AM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Carla,

I know it's heresy to say in many brokerages, but I don't think the seller is ever served without a thorough vetting of a listing in the marketplace.

Rich

Mar 31, 2013 08:46 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

We do sometimes sell a listing that's not on the open market.... not because they are willing to list with us though.  But because they have gone around to all the firms and offered to pay a selling side commission and we happen to be working with a buyer who it would work for.

Mar 31, 2013 11:32 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Hi Kelly . . . you're welcome

Hey Charita -- I can't believe that the sellers would want to market their property this way, and provide a written notice not to include the listing in the RMLS.  Wonder who really is explaining . . . and Happy Easter to you too!

Hi Rich . . . I agree

Hey Tammy -- sounds like a FSBO trolling offices for buyers ;-)

Apr 02, 2013 10:52 AM
Tni LeBlanc, Realtor®, J.D.
Mint Properties, Lic. #01871795 - Santa Maria, CA
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Hi Carla,

Call me crazy, what is the purpose of getting an agent if the property is not going to be marketed?  Sure you get representation during the transaction, but what about the price?

Where we see this behavior the most and it is most problematic (in my view) is in short sales, where the bank most certainly should want to know that the property is properly marketed.

I do think that the banks must be turning a blind eye to it, after all if it takes me one minute to determine something is fishy, how long should it take them?

Tni

Apr 06, 2013 01:24 PM