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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I love looking in a bathroom, seeing a creative toilet installation, and imagining the contractor's conversation - Biff, "Should we screw it or glue it?" Boff, "Aw, screw it.  Just glue it!"  

When you go into a bathroom adorned with new vinyl flooring, and see the toilet set up on shims, with the cap stuck up with a really long screw and the toilet wobbles dramatically, you know you are dealing with creativity!

There's simply no other word for it.

Imagine people using this toilet for a while!

In no time it will be cracked, or leaking, or whatever.

Properly installed would mean there is a new flange attached securely to the sub floor with four stainless steel screws.

Inserted into pre-cut slots are two brass bolts which penetrate the base of the toilet to anchor it to that flange with washers and nuts.

That connection is covered with a little plastic cap.

The base of the toilet is flush against the floor, and it does not wobble.

That's in a perfect world. 

That's in the world of the professional plumber.

The basement is unfinished under this toilet.  I could hardly wait to have a look!

I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED!

This is as cute as it gets!

Poly foam!  The new duct tape!

I see no screws anywhere!  Does that mean there is no flange?

How was that toilet installed?

Did Biff and Boff literally glue it down with poly foam?

I have been doing home inspections a couple of days.

Since 1981 actually.

It's fair to inform you that this is a new one for me!

We don't need no stinkin' duct tape!  We don't need no stinkin' drywall screws!

We got us some poly foam!

And once you go poly foam you don't go back.

After all, why would you!

This house was remodeled for resale.  It's one thing to do this for yourself, trying to fix something that's wrong without really knowing how to fix it.  And this is what you and your buddy come up with.

But this is a new toilet, in a "remodeled" bathroom, and this installation is intended for resale!  They want someone to buy this!  This is not a repair - IT'S NEW WORK!

My recommendation:  sometimes people look at things without realizing how far out of the realm of propriety they are, and get brought crashing down when a home inspector points it out to them.  A repair here, a new installation there, and most people think the house is updated and new.  Often times it is not.  OK, Biff and Boff updated and made new the bathroom toilet.  But not in a way that makes sense, professionally or otherwise.  Remember to get a home inspection...

 

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(21)

Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Jay,

When looking at the drop, where is the pipe going? I don't see a flange for the pipe to glue into. It is usually about 2 inches long? It should be showing through the flooring sub floor. I don't see it.

Remember to keep Uncle Bob in your neck of the woods and give me a break for a while. :-)

The very sad part is, they were very Hubris about the job.

Have a great day in Bristow my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Jun 08, 2013 08:51 PM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Jay, how do you keep getting into my house without me knowing?

Jun 08, 2013 08:54 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Oh yeah, not good at all. I guess it's good that the basement is unfinished...less stuff to get damaged when they get leaks.  Oy vey.

Jun 08, 2013 08:55 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Not to reveal too much Barbara, before every inspection I do a little dance.  Think rain dance, only wilder.  My dance obviously works.

You don't need no stinkin' tubing Clint!  You got poly foam!

Andrea - that really large doggie door.

And covered with drywall, well, nobody is the wiser Debbie!

Jun 08, 2013 08:58 PM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

Ahhh.. OK, because I was wondering... next time help yourself what's in the fridge. As long as you are making me famous you might as well have something to eat.

You have no idea the things we still find in this house, LOL. I am always amazed at how clever people are. And sometimes I even wonder... how in the world did they do that?????

Jun 08, 2013 09:07 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Andrea!  And please don't lock the door.

Now you have me wondering about your house!  Blog about it!

Jun 08, 2013 09:12 PM
Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

LOL, why bother, you are doing such a great job of it! :D

 

Jun 08, 2013 09:27 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Now thou frightenest me...  for you!

Jun 08, 2013 09:31 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

If there's a hole that needs fixin', the poly foam is the go to repair. With all that foam, that toilet will never leak ;)

Jun 08, 2013 09:41 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That is the thinking there Jim!  And I think the installation has a nice look too, above and below.

Jun 08, 2013 09:45 PM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Jay, never thought about poly foam for a toilet installation! And, think I will pass on the idea! Enjoy your day!

Jun 08, 2013 09:45 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This may be the new wave in flipping or remodeling homes Wayne!

Jun 08, 2013 10:05 PM
Richard Burge Realty/ Burge Homes
Richard Burge Realty/Burge Homes - Conway, SC
Broker in Charge/Owner

Poly foam!  The new duct tape!  Does it come in different colors?  I am sold..

Jun 08, 2013 10:35 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

As it catches on and the market entrants try to differentiate their individual products from other companies, they will introduce colors Richard!

They will say, "New and improved!"

Jun 08, 2013 10:41 PM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

Flippers are the worst sometimes. Get yourself a magnet decal for your truck and you're in business. Yesterday I couldn't spell renovator, today I are one.

I saw a toilet in a crawl the other day that's been leaking long enough to splash out a 12" deep hole in the dirt. Thankfully the hole was just filled with water. 

Jun 08, 2013 10:51 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

There was some nice, rendered solid in that water Scott!  I bet it doesn't taste like chicken...

Jun 08, 2013 10:59 PM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

Hahaha... I love it! When I saw the shims I thought maybe it was double sided foam tape! Would that be better?

Jun 09, 2013 12:36 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Sure Fred!  Stick'em and raise'em up for ventilation!

Jun 09, 2013 01:24 AM
Marc McMaster
RE/MAX Centre Realty - State College, PA
Putting my clients before myself

Wow, I thought maybe they had just doubled up on wax rings or something in that realm...poly foam, huh?  New one for me too!

Jun 09, 2013 05:58 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Could be I have seen this a bunch of times before, but always covered up with drywall Marc!

Jun 09, 2013 09:04 AM