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Flattery or Plagiarism

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792

 Horrified

They say that the best form of flattery is being copied. However, I wonder if you might call it flattery or Plagiarism? Hmmmmmmmm. Well, yesterday I received an email from one of my past clients who said she saw an article I had written on Sacramento Real Estate Voice about Fraud and was wondering if I happen to see the article on Mortgage Fraud Blog.

I clicked on the link and was surprised to see someone else's name and my entire article word for word and photo for photo placed on the Mortgage Fraud Blog.

Since my article Fraud in Real Estate? was written November 29, 2006 and the article Great Mortgage Fraud Info THANK YOU Tracy Coenen was posted February 6, 2007, it is apparent that my blog was hi-jacked with absolutely no reference to the author (me) but a subliminal message that Tracy Coenen may have written it. WOW! What a surprise!

I sent an email to the site as well as placing a comment on the blog itself. This I think bears remembering for those that have an outside blogs as well as automated responses on websites....my comment as well as a current client's comment was responded to with a strange reply that I will let you take a look at. One should always make sure that you read the comments and reply with a succinct answer that has something to do with the comment.

This evening I received an email from Mortgage Fraud Blog with their sincerest apologies,

"Thank you very much for contacting us regarding your article.  My sincerest apologies as we obtain information from countless sources and are unable to verify the origins of them all.  Please refer to our blog for our corrections."

This reply has me somewhat baffled in that, if that's the case then our articles could possibly be anywhere at any given time since there are countless sources and the origins are not verified. A mite troublesome, wouldn't you say? Have any of you encountered something of this nature?

Well, to put this to rest, although the original article on Mortgage Fraud blog still reads as though someone else wrote it...they have posted a Thank You Gena Riede post today and linked the title of that article to Sacramento Real Estate Voice. However, as I stated the original blog remains somewhat tenuous.

Be on the look out for your articles...you never know who might be "flattering" you!

Add: 2/23/07

JUST NOTICED SOMETHING ELSE! Cindi Dixon who is the one that emailed me above commented on my original blog the following and yet Cindi as well as the response this morning on their blog indicates that they don't always know who wrote the article prior to publishing, hmmmmmmmmmm:

  • Cindi Dixon Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 8:13 am e

    Hi,

    Thank you very much for one of the best articles we have seen published on mortgage fraud. We posted this story on our Mortgage Fraud Discussion Board: http://discussionboards.mortgagefraudqc.com/

    A similar thing happened to me in the mid-1990s by a company in Huntington Beach, Anastasi Realty and his brother who owned Anastasi construction. I was a single mother and making a very moderate income when I was coerced with promises of building my credit and hope of my own home ownership one day. After getting reeled in by promises of becoming a property owner (while renting myself), an intermediary orchestrated the loans on the homes that valued approximately $750k for the new construction town homes, back then!. There were first, second and Title 1 (or third) liens on the homes. Another co-worker was also in possession of three other units. After the simultaneous closings and the disbursement of all of the funds, of which I received nothing, the culprits pocketed close to two million dollars off of us. Within two months the "tenants" stopped paying the rents (one of the tenants was the individual who orchestrated the deals). When I began to inquire as the lender's collection calls began, I was threatened with being turned into the FBI for my participation, and then my children were threatened and I left it alone.

    This motivated my desire to learn more and I have had a career in fighting mortgage fraud for the past 10 years. If there is ever anything I can be of assistance with feel free to contact me. We welcome you to visit our Mortgage Fraud discussion board and encourage your readers to utilize our blog as well to share their similar experiences. The reason the criminals are allowed to continue is that their names and company information remain a secret until (and IF) there is a prosecution.

    Please let your readers know they can openly share their stories so we can prevent other innocent people searching for the American Dream from having their lives destroyed.

    Cindi Dixon, Director
    Mortgage Fraud Investigations
    Mela Capital Group
    Cindi@MortgageFraudQC.com
    http://reportmortgagefraud.org/
    http://discussionboards.mortgagefraudqc.com/

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    Comments(42)

    Lenn Harley
    Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
    Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland
    You need to at the very least send a letter, not e-mail to the owners of the blog, the ISP and the host and who else can I think of???  Anyone association with it.
    Feb 23, 2007 02:03 AM
    Tricia Jumonville
    Bradfield Properties - Georgetown, TX
    Texas REALTOR , Agent With Horse Sense

    Just putting the author's name on it doesn't make it not copyright infringement - it just makes it not plagiarism (two different violations). 

    You have to get permission from the author in order to republish (on the internet or anywhere) their work - explicit permission.  Just as you wouldn't reprint something that's in a book without permission, the same goes for the internet.  And there doesn't have to be a copyright notice (hasn't had to be since 1989 or thereabouts) - it's copyrighted from the moment of creation. 

    Permission is the key.  If you don't have explicit permission from the copyright holder, post a link or something, but DON'T post the article even with credit. 

     

    Feb 23, 2007 02:07 AM
    Jeff Dowler, CRS
    eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
    The Southern California Relocation Dude

    Sorry to hear about this, Gena. Seems this sort of thing is becoming more and more common. Try Copyscape to search for copies of pages on the Net.

    I thought Tim M. had a good point. 

    Jeff

    Feb 23, 2007 02:41 AM
    Kelli Fronabarger
    Bend River Realty Inc. - Bend, OR
    Realtor - Bend Oregon

    What were they thinking? ? ? ?

    My rules of respect have only three basic requirements....Don't Lie, Cheat or Steal from me (or anyone else). I can deal with just about anything else.

     

     

    Feb 23, 2007 03:57 AM
    Mike Montague
    RE/MAX Crosstown Realty Inc - Barrie, ON
    "Who Moves You?"

    The internet and blogging is a podium for closet journalists and wannabe columnists. With that there is going to be an element of plagiarism from those with underdeveloped frontal lobes who have somehow mastered the primary school art of cutting and pasting.

    10 years ago we were lone unheard voices in the wilderness, today we can expose ourselves (literarily I assume) to literally millions of people anywhere on the planet without ever leaving the house. If the tradeoff for that is the occasional borrowing of my intellectual property without permission then that to me is a small tradeoff.

    In the mean time, I'll just learn to be grateful I am "scoopworthy"  

     

    Mike 

    Feb 23, 2007 04:45 AM
    Cynthia Sloop
    Community Association Manager - Indianapolis, IN
    Well Gena, I am sorry to hear that someone else has benefited from your great post.  You raise a question all our minds of whether writing a really good article for someone else to possibly steal is worth it?  I do have trouble understanding how someone can take an article, cut & paste word for word and feel ok with what they have done.  Even when I find a good topic that I want to write some of the same things I do it in my own words and make it mine as much as possible.  I guess other people just don't think they can make it sound as good or they are just too lazy to even try.
    Feb 23, 2007 05:45 AM
    Jacqulyn Richey
    Prominent Realty Group - Las Vegas, NV
    Las Vegas Real Estate
    "we don't always know where the articles come from"  gee, there is some responsible reporting for you. Gena, perhaps you should add a terms of use clause to your blog. Something to the effect that articles may be reprinted with permission and a live link to the original post and the main url, or a one time payment of say, $500 for unlimited use. What do you think? -Charles
    Feb 23, 2007 06:36 AM
    Christy Powers
    Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
    Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
    That is truly horrible. It appears to be an epidemic. There have been a lot of post regarding this subject. You would think people would start to get the message.
    Feb 23, 2007 06:46 AM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Jim, I have emailed "Cindi" again today, thanking her for her post on the blog however letting her know that the html coding should be providing a clickable link plus the original blog that is still posted in it's entirety with someone else's name be corrected with my name as well as be reduced in length with a link to my Sacramento Real Estate Voice blog article. Haven't heard back, yet.

    Jennifer, yes it is nice to have a client that looks out after you and she certainly did speak her mind.

    Laurie, sorry to hear that it is running rampant...

    Randy, no sure what kind of example that sets!

    Chris, I hope everyone hasn't had it happen...and irony...hmmmmmmmmmmm

    Feb 23, 2007 07:32 AM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Danny,funny thing about all this...after carefully studying it, it appears that Cindi who is the one that emails for the Mortgage Fraud blog (I can only assume that she owns it), commented on my actual blog on Feb.6, 2007 which I have posted above and then Cindi published my article on the very same day Feb.6, 2007 at I believe around 11:00 am. So, I would say, that she definitely knew who wrote the article...wouldn't you?

    Tim, it seems there is no fax number only a phone number and a wowmen's voice is there to leave a message...perhaps Cindi.

    Judi, it appears that they don't want to answer the phone.

    Sharon, thank you for sharing that site. I tried it and didn't find anything including what we already know as being plagiarized...perhaps I'm not using it to it's best abilities. Would you like to expand  and share the in's and out's of the website?

    Feb 23, 2007 07:39 AM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Maureen & Demitry, Sorry to hear that they stole from you. as well. I'd be curious to know if those articles had been submitted to Carnival?

    Luke, I don't think you should feel embarrassed!

    Monika, funny you should say that, originally I was going to post a picture of an eyeball!

    Anonymous, I haven't contacted her yet. My gut feeling is that she probably contacted the Mortgage Fraud people (Cindi) and gave her the link to my article (since Cindi commented on the article) and then Cindi just did a copy a paste...and hence wrote a blog that appears to be a auto responder message of "we don't always know where the articles came from..." I think you are right and I will be contacting Tracey Coenen to let her know but I really don't think that she tried masquerading as the author...

    Feb 23, 2007 07:48 AM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Bryce, I quite agree but I'm having trouble getting it to work...even in this instance which we all know has been copied. if you know how to make it work, please share.

    Don, I don't think so.

    Angela, I think that before you share it, you should call the author and ask if you can share it.

    Karen, thank you for contacting them. That is probably why they posted the auto responder message that appears today on their blog. However, it is cursory at the very least.

    I will respond to the remaining, when I return from my appointment. Thanks

    Feb 23, 2007 07:54 AM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Lenn,I tried to find out about the blog but it's private and the only person that is identifiable is Cindi who commented on my blog article as well as sending me and email with her apology. There doesn't appear to be anyone else that I can see that is associated with this blog.

    Tricia, my sentiments exactly.

    Jeff, again...I tried copyscape and it didn't even pick up this article...am I doing it wrong?

    Kelli, based on this I would say that you may be in for a shock at some point.

    Mark, are you saying that it's fine for someone to plagiarize your work simply because you now have been given a place to write?

    Feb 23, 2007 12:19 PM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Cynthia, well...although to use Mike's words in his comment..."underdeveloped frontal lobes" are unable to think and write on their own.

    Charles, I think you have something there! Sounds good to me!!

    Christy, In this case perhaps they didn't read those articles.

    Feb 23, 2007 12:26 PM
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

    Here is a copy of the email that I sent to "Cindi Dixon" of Mortgage Fraud this morning...

    Cindi,

    I am a little taken back by your statement that you post things without knowing where they came from. Not only does that appear to be irresponsible but since this blog is solely about "Fraud" it would constitute a somewhat higher stance in my estimation of seeking out before publishing. By publishing my blog in its entirety and actually having someone else's' name on it as it does stand right now, that is copyright infringement and blatant plagiarism and fraud.

     

    Although, I thank for the post that you made trying to rectify your mistake, it is not enough. If you look at the original post, it remains the same as it did and the search engines do not like duplicate articles on the internet so not only are you giving false information about the author but you are also hurting my article by posting the entire article again.

     

    On your retraction you did not put in links but merely HTML coding which is a little sloppy and not user-friendly. I would suggest that you put in the html coding properly so as to provide a clickable link to my article at my website and edit the original blog that is posted in its complete form by taking out the name of a fictitious author and replacing it with my name, as well as to reduce the article so that only a portion of it is there with a link to my website where they can read the entire article.

     

    I noticed this morning that on your blog you mention that you have no way of knowing who wrote an article that might be forwarded to you. I would think in your own interests, you would want to know who wrote an article prior to publishing, since that is fraudulent to place an article without the author's permission. It is fairly easy to Google and go to the source and look at dates.

     

    Furthermore, to say that you were unaware of who the author was is incorrect. If you go to my blog and look at the actual article, at the bottom are comments. It seems that Cindi (you) wrote on February 6th, the following:

    See up above in my blog for that comment that Cindi wrote on Feb. 06, 2007 at 8:13 am and then posted on her own blog Mortgage Fraud within hours on the same day.

    I await hearing from you and what your plans are to rectify this situation.

     

    Gena Riede, Broker Associate

    RE/MAX Gold

    Direct: (916) 417-2699

    Fax: (916) 689-2350

    http://GenaSellsSacramento.com

    mailto:Gena@GenaSells.com

    Blog: http://www.sacramentorealestatevoice.com/

    As of 6:32 pm I have not received any further communication from Cindi Dixon.

     

    Feb 23, 2007 12:33 PM
    Anonymous
    Tracy Coenen
    Hi Gena - Your guess is as good as mine, but I will tell you that this blog post with the title "Great Mortgage Fraud Info Thank You Tracy Coenen" has been flying around cyberspace. It's been posted on multiple, multiple blogs, and I've never had anything to do with it. All I could surmise from the start is that my name was just being used to snag some of my Google mojo as it relates to "fraud". This stuff really annoys me.... Sorry to hear that they ripped off your article!
    Feb 23, 2007 12:44 PM
    #38
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699
    Tracy, thank you for coming and commenting. I didn't notify you because honestly, I didn't believe that you submitted it with your name to begin with. It's a little awesome to hear that it's all over cyberspace...WOW. I'm speechless. It's a shame that these people are appearing to get away with it. Thank you, once again for finding us and posting your comment.
    Feb 23, 2007 01:10 PM
    Anonymous
    Tracy Coenen
    Hi again Gena - Well last week I blogged about this issue, and how I thought it was dirty of that blog to copy posts from people and say that they don't know the original source.  I just went to check on our little friends tonight, and I see their entire site is down.  And frankly, I hope it stays that way.  I get the distinct feeling they have been stealing posts in order to inflate their search engine rankings.  Which as we know, has the ability to negatively impact ours. Thank you so much for bringing up this issue.
    Mar 05, 2007 03:07 PM
    #40
    Gena Riede
    Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
    Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699
    Tracy, wow I haven't gone back there so that's very interesting. The universe has a way of correcting everything and it would appear that the correction has been made. That's good. Thanks for letting me know. I'll be over to read what you wrote.
    Mar 14, 2007 03:30 PM
    . .
    San Diego, CA

    I wont put up with it anymore. Steal my content and justice will be swift.

    Sep 17, 2008 10:21 AM