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Stated Commission Does Not Belong in the Offer to Purchase or Sales Contract

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Real Estate Agent with eXp Realty

Stated Commission Does Not Belong in the Offer to Purchase or Sales Contract

I am of the opinion that unless otherwise noted in an agreement between buyers, sellers and their agents, the sales commission is between the seller, the listing agent and the selling agent (if different from the listing agent). Therefore, the I think it is tacky to include the following statement in an offer to purchase:

Seller to pay selling agent commission of XX% of sales price OR
Seller to pay selling agent $XX.XX.

Whenever I see this on an offer to purchase, the following questions immediately pops into my head:

  1. "okay, if the buyer really wants this house, will s/he reject the seller's counter because the seller is not willing to pay $xx.xx?
  2. did the buyer really ask the his/her agent to include that or did the buyer's agent say to the buyer, we should include that the seller is to pay $xx.xx to the buyer's agents or selling agent (if different from the listing agent?
  3. If the seller does not agree to the commission as outlined by buyer's agent, will buyer's agent interpret to the buyer that the seller rejected the buyer's offer to purchase?

Whenever I submit an offer for a buyer, I attach a separate document (a Commission Addendum) that states that the seller will pay $xx.xx or xx% as stated in the MLS listing agreement.  I sign it, the seller signs it and the listing agent signs it.  If an only if, my buyer is paying a portion of the commission, would I find it necessary to have the buyer sign it as well.  In either case, I don't feel that it should be a part of the "offer."

 Your thoughts please?

Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

You are correct the contract to purchase is between the buyer and seller.  Commission is between the brokerages.  The time to ask for a change in the commission is BEFORE you show the property.  Once you have shown it as an agent you have agreed to the T&C's in the MLS.  I've had an agent or two try that trick and it ends up on the cutting room floor.   Great way to end up with an ethics complaint!

Dec 28, 2010 01:18 AM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

Good call! This is one of the reasons I have NEVER used a trade/Realtor association lease/rental agreement.  None of the tenants' business as it is stated in the MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT

Dec 28, 2010 01:18 AM
Carri Brown
McCall Montgomery Real Estate - Baton Rouge, LA

Great post.  Thanks for sharing this with all the rainmakers.  We need this info to help us, keep it up.  I would love to see more.

Dec 28, 2010 01:21 AM
Brin Realty Associates Team At Bean Group
Bean Group | Brin Realty Associates - Amherst, NH
Amherst NH homes and Southern NH real estate

Am in agreement P & S is between buyer and seller. 

However, a buyer can ask the seller to pay his buyer agency fee of XXX, just like he can ask the seller to pay XXX towards his closing costs.  (In this case its in the P & S and still between the buyer and seller).

Dec 28, 2010 01:42 AM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Charita, 

The only time I think it is appropriate to add is if the home is not listed.  (I sold one that wasn't listed and the builder/seller had agreed to pay a commission, but asked me to do it that way.  So, all bases were covered.)  

I find it completely obnoxious if they use it to change any numbers, but everyone has to work for what fits them.  

All the best in 2011, Michelle

Dec 28, 2010 01:50 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Cindy some agents will try to sneak that in at the last minute figuring the seller would be desperate enough to fall for it.  But to me, it borders on unethical and self-serving.

Exactly Wallace.  The lease agreement and the management agreement contain terms that have nothing to do with the other.

Thanks Carri.

Rene I agree (if there is already an agreement in place whereby the buyer is responsible for a portion of the commission).

Michelle I am inclined to agree with that, but since I already have a Commission Addendum, I would probably still use it.

 

 

Dec 28, 2010 02:11 AM
Dr. Paula McDonald
Beam & Branch Realty - Granbury, TX
Granbury, TX 936-203-0279
On our contracts here in Texas, there is a page specific to the brokerage where it is for all to see. Full disclosure for all. It is not an Adendum but part of the actual document.
Dec 28, 2010 02:21 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Charita, We don't ask for more than the MLS offers.  We print a copy of MLS as part of the offer to have a document of what it was, just in case someone tries to change MLS after the offer.

Dec 28, 2010 02:37 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

Paula I've got to remember to be cognizant that not all markets are the same.  You can never argue with full disclosure.

Bliz given that some agents don't play fair, printing the MLS listing is in your best interest.

Dec 28, 2010 02:51 AM
Christine Smith
Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com - Canton, MA
Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA

We don't see the commission stated in the Offer here in MA.  But, it is commonly seen in the Purchase & Sale Agreement, but the agent typically signs that here in MA as well (not sure how other states operate).  Sometimes the paragraph will read "as per listing agreement."  It makes it easier for the closing attorney (another difference here in MA that closings are handled by attorneys) if it is spelled out in the P&S so that when they prepare final closing figures, they have that information, rather than having to track it down.

Dec 28, 2010 03:13 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Charita - I just saw this same thing in a post about changing the MLS after an accepted offer and was really surprised that some Realtors/agents were saying to put the commission in the purchase offer.  My first thought was - SERIOUSLY!!!  WHAT FOR!!!

I've see a lot of purchase offers and I can't recall ever seeing one where the commission was stated in the offer.  We simply don't do that here in Cali.  However, I have seen the commission agreements but they are completely separate from the purchase offer.  It's rather interesting to see the way some folks do things in other states.

Dec 28, 2010 08:43 AM
Christine Hooks
Pino Agency - Pennsville, NJ
Celebrating 25 Years in Real Estate!

I've never seen the commission listed in an offer, but I just attended a class where the teacher stated that she sometimes DOES mention the commission in the offer........if it isn't up to snuff and cover her fees, she sometimes rejects the offer of compensation and addresses her fee through a Seller's concession.

I had never seen or heard of this before.

Dec 28, 2010 10:45 AM