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Broker Bryant says, " Are you aware commissions are on a upswing?"

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC BK607690

While reading through this month's Broker Agent News, I came across this statement, in an article by Carla Cross. "Are you aware commissions are shrinking? A Real Trends' study pointed out that commissions have gone from an average of 6.1% in 1991 t0 5.1% in 2004. That's a 16 percent price cut! Another study showed shrinking commissions was the largest problem perceived by top producers."

By the way, Carla Cross is the president of Carla Cross Seminars, Inc. and Carla Cross Coaching. Anyway I don't know Carla Cross and this post is not about her but just wanted to make sure I mentioned my source of information. This post is about her statement that commissions are shrinking.

I don't agree with that statement at all. In my market, Poinciana, Fl., commissions are on an upswing. Sellers have realized that the "discounters" are not getting homes sold and the Sellers I have met with, have no problem at all, paying a higher commission to get the job done. In fact, during my listing presentations, commission negotiations rarely come up any more. They just want to sell their house. I list a lot of expired listings and believe me when I say these Sellers are more than ready to move up to a qualified, experienced, full time and full service Realtor. They've been the discount route and it did not work. They want service. They want to hear from their Realtor. And most importantly they want to get their home sold, the sooner the better.

So, from my perspective, Carla Cross's statement, "Are you aware commissions are shrinking?" is incorrect. I think the problem is, the study from Real Trends, that she mentioned, is comparing 1991 commissions with 2004 commissions. Now folks, I may not be the brightest star in the sky, but what the heck does 2004 commissions have to do with 2006. In 2004 we were in a serious Seller's market, in most parts of the country. I even reduced commissions. Why not? I could sell a house in less than a week and have multiple offers for my Sellers to choose from. I was taking 14 day listings. My pitch was simple, "list with me today and I will have your house under contract before the end of the week." My average inventory was 1-3 listings. It was awesome! And then came 2005 and is was even better.

But this is not 2004. It is 2006 and commissions are on an upswing. It is a Buyer's market in most areas of the country. Sellers must be able to compete. And, to do this, they must hire an experienced Realtor that can get the job done. And for this they will have to pay. 2006 has been another banner year for me. Folks are calling me daily to list their homes. I have about 10-20 expired listings to solicit every day. I'm carrying between 20-25 listings and still closing 2-4 deals a month. And my commission has been adjusted upward and may get adjusted again in the near future. Why? Because it takes me longer to get a house sold and because my services are valuable and the Sellers know it. I get results.

Sellers have had some real strong appreciation over the last couple of years so even though values are coming down, most Sellers are still in a very good equity position. The key, in this market, it to get Sellers to look at the real picture, so you can get their home priced right and sold. If you can achieve this, you will not only survive but you will thrive in this market. And Sellers will search you out to do business with you. So, it may not be 2004 and 2005 but 2006 sure looks good from my perspective.

Broker Bryant says, "Are you aware commissions are on an upswing?" What say you?

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Comments(54)

Sharon Simms
Coastal Properties Group International - Christie's International - Saint Petersburg, FL
St. Petersburg FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS
It's pretty ridiculous to base an article on what was happening in 2004. This is a whole new world.  I agree that commissions are doing up, and that there is far less resistance. People are starting to compare what real estate agents do, rather than what they charge. Viva Value!
Nov 18, 2006 10:46 PM
Home Design
Alpharetta, GA
Home Design and Real Estate
The reason commissions have dropped over the last 15 years is an easy one.  Real Estate schools pump out 1000s of new agents every month whom take discounted commissions just to get business.  While less than 5% of the agents are still employed the next year, it still impacts the market.  Since 1991 the amount of Realtors per market has also increased drastically compared with 1975-1990.
Nov 18, 2006 11:30 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

For anyone interested. The Sherman Antitrust law is very misunderstood by people. Especially Realtors who seem to think just talking about commissions is a violation. Well, its not. In a nut shell: If you are not conspiring with others to boycott another company because they charge a different commission than you or you are not conspiring with other companies to "fix" commissions then chances are very very good you are not in violation of Sherman. Below is a link that defines and explains Sherman. Hope it helps.

All though I do believe we should always err on the side of caution, I believe more in the freedom of speech and have no issue with discussing commissions. However, these do need to be generic conversations.  As long as we are discussing increases and decreases we are good to go . If we started discussing  why the consumer needs to pay more instead of less then we may be crossing a line. Since we are "guests" of ActiveRain, its best to use Xs instead of numbers for commissions when possible.  This keeps them from being in the position of having to play judge and decide what's OK and what's not. IMHO

SHERMAN ANTITRUST ACT

Nov 18, 2006 11:31 PM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

When I first started in this business, I had a conversation with another agent about how to present or defend your commission.  Interestingly, she never considered "defending" her commission.  Her line was something like "oh, you can pay me anything YOU want... just pick anywhere from 6 to 10%..." Well, always trying to learn from the best, I tried it myself with caution... it  works great with people who can see the humor! 

Nov 18, 2006 11:57 PM
Suzanne Marriott
Keller Williams Arizona Realty - Anthem, AZ
Associate Broker, CLHMS, e-PRO
Interesting point.  In a Sellers market like last year, the perception was that commissions were way down, builders were offering flat fees, if anything at all, and people were making money due to the amount of business, rather than the amount of money per transaction.  In a Buyer's market, it would make sense to see the opposite trend.
Nov 19, 2006 02:14 AM
Jason Price
Mortgage Financial Group, Inc (NMLS 219650) - Tavares, FL
The Mortgage Rider
I am not a realtor, but what you are saying makes sense.  It comes down to the basic economic rule of supply and demand.  Sellers are realizing that the supply of buyers has diminished in relation to what it was before (too many houses on the market and not enough buyers.)  Sellers are willing to pay realtors more to make their house more appealing than the rest. In the end, the seller is making less because of paying the higher commission to get the house sold.
Nov 19, 2006 02:24 AM
Jessica Hughes
Ambiance Staging - Boulder, CO
I agree 2004 is not 2006!  We had s Help U Sell office open up in Boulder in 2004 or thereabouts.  I started seeing their signs all over town.  A few months ago the office closed down.  I can only think of on property I've seen driving around with a Help U Sell sign, and it' been on the market for 6 months.
Nov 19, 2006 03:26 AM
Ann Guy
NA - Allentown, PA

Yes, that is a problem with Carla Cross' statisics, they are outdated.  2004 is not the present.  In 2004, I have seen many, many HUD's with a 5% commission for RE agents.  But they are now back up to the norm of 6% (from what I have been seeing in the Lehigh Valley. 

 

Nov 19, 2006 04:08 AM
Gena Riede
Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792 - Sacramento, CA
Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699

Bryant, 2004 definitely has nothing to do with the market of 2006 nor do I have anything to do with flat fee commissions. With my experience in the Real Estate field, my clients know it and are willing to pay for it. If they are not willing and able then we both part company until such time, as they are ready. There will always be folks like Carla and those wanting to pay for little service...that's America.

Eddy, not sure where you're getting those CA stats...not relevant here.

TLW, going over to take a look at the quizy

Nov 19, 2006 04:53 AM
Derek and Mariana Wagner
The Artisan Group- Keller Williams Premier Realty - Colorado Springs, CO
The Artisan Group - Colorado Springs REALTORS®

Bryant~ Thank you. Very good points/info. (Thanks for taking a look at my post, as well!!) It is all making more sense, now. :)

TLW~ It is too cold here to take your quiz ... I may have to take it later... :)

Nov 19, 2006 05:09 AM
Ken Smith
Suburban House Hunters - Arlington Heights, IL

Commissions are rising in our market. This only makes sense as it is taking 3-5x longer to sell a home then last year and that means its that much more costly to market the home.

Nov 19, 2006 08:46 AM
ASHEVILLE REALTY REFERRAL RESOURCE 828-776-0779
REAL ESTATE REFERRAL NETWORK - Asheville, NC
CONTACT janeAnne365@gmail.com

I am a land specialist. Large acreages, mostly. And mostly for investors interested in creating legacies and private land trusts /\ Our investor -clients are into walking and "feeling" the land. LAND has personality, ya' know...so it takes time to get to know the acreage and what it's about....Our commissions are related to those factors, plus length of time involved to market and attract the "right" stewards of the land.

Our commissions are holding steady.

 

Nov 19, 2006 11:05 AM
Anonymous
Athol Kay
Great post. Plugged it on my site.
Nov 19, 2006 12:38 PM
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Toby Boyce
C.G. Boyce Real Estate Co. - Delaware, OH
MBA, Delaware Ohio

Another great blog from the Broker.

The market for commissions in central Ohio is a double-edged sword. There are so many sellers trying to sell when they don't have enough equity to pay "x" percent and they are looking to save every dollar.

However, we usually try to list at "x+1" and we've had several people sign on the dotted line -- understanding that in this market we are working harder (and hopefully smarter) to sell their home.

Nov 19, 2006 03:28 PM
Allison Stewart
St.Cloud Homes - Saint Cloud, FL
St. Cloud Fl Realtor, Osceola County Real Estate 407-616-9904

As usual King "Tut"as is right on the mark. Now is the time we can and do command a decent commission for the reasons he cited. Sellers have come to realize they need to offer incentives to achieve sales. I am getting a lot less resisitance.  What is your secret to expireds Byrant? 

Nov 19, 2006 10:37 PM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL
He's still sleeping. I am quite sure he will devulge our method to you. I would hijack this post but he might whack me with that sceptor you gave him! TLW...ROAR!
Nov 19, 2006 10:41 PM
Yael Warman
Right About Real Estate - Dania Beach, FL

Commissions are certainly on the rise, especially the buyer's agent side. I personally work more with sellers, and everytime I am doing a CMA for a new listing, I consider the coop agent's commission offered by what would be my competition and more often than not, 3.5% and even 4% is being offered. I am not sure of whether the lisitng agent got a 7% or 8% listing, but if they didn't, then the listing agent is cutting their commission in order to allow an incentive for the buyer's agent.

I sometimes am able to charge 7% especially if the listing is going to require more marketing that usual, but if I can only charge 6%, then I start with a 50-50% split and if the listing isn't moving, then I go to 3.5% for the coop and I cut my side to 2.5%... I guess it's the cost of doing business in a time when sellers are still adjusting to a buyer's market.

As for the anti-trust law that Mariana refers to, NAR has a list of "dangerous phrases" that Realtors should be careful not to use. To complement Bryant's explanation on anti-trust, here is the list: 

DO NOT at any time use any of the words and phrases which NAR's Program for Compliance designated As "Dangerous". Some examples of such words and phrases are:

•  "We would like to charge a lower commission, but the board has a rule..."

•  "This is the rate that all Realtors® charge."

•  "The MLS will not accept less than a 120 day listing."

•  "Before you list with XYZ Realty, you should know that nobody is going to work on their listing."

•  "If John Doe is really professional (or ethical) he would have joined the Board."

•  "The Board requires that all Realtors® force their sales people to join."

•  "The best way to deal with John Doe is to boycott him" or "we don't worry about John Doe; we just don't show his listings."

•  "If you valued your services as a professional, you wouldn't cut your commission."

•  "No board member will accept a listing for less than 90 days."

•  "Let him stay in his own part of town, this is our territory."

•  "If he was really a professional, he wouldn't use part timers."

•  "X is the going rate in this area."

•  "We have to charge that commission since our rates are set by the Florida Real Estate Commission."

•  "The standard commission in this area is X."

•  "When I see that guy's signs, I just drive the prospect down another street."

•  "We've all agreed that any commission below X is unfair."

•  "Something's got to be done about that company; nobody can charge such a low commission and make a living."

•  "That price‑cutter has no business being a member of the board."

•  "You will not get a lower commission from a Realtor®."

Nov 20, 2006 05:49 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Yael, Great info. I think sometimes we all get a little carried away with being too careful when we talk about commissions. You list is an excellent example of what we shouldn't be doing. Thanks for posting. You should make it a blog post.
Nov 20, 2006 07:36 AM
Suzanne Marriott
Keller Williams Arizona Realty - Anthem, AZ
Associate Broker, CLHMS, e-PRO

Broker Bryant - Are you a golfer?  Sounds like you might be using terms like "upswing"!  Is that a golf term or not?  I don't know - I don't golf!

Nov 22, 2006 02:32 AM
William Collins
ERA Queen City Realty - Scotch Plains, NJ
Property and Asset Management

Bryant,

Thanks for the post. You are on the money. If you have read any of my posts that even remotely address this issue, you know that we are getting above 6% in my market.

I am with Marianna Wagner & Bill Williams on this one, a big THUD for generalizations on market conditions!

Dec 16, 2006 11:07 PM