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So what's a closing date anyway?

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Real Estate Agent with Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty

Transfer of Title...

Is a closing date...date of transfer...date of conveyance, what ever you might call it in your area, an important piece of the purchase agreement?

Last week I showed a house...a nice house everything my buyer client was looking for. This listing was showing active in MLS with a kick...meaning it had a 48 hour kick out clause. This is a fairly common contingency in our area which is used when a seller has accepted an offer from a buyer who must sell their present residence to buy.

The kick out clause allows the seller to continue to market their property while giving the buyer some additional time to sell. IF during that time frame another buyer comes along who does not have a home sale contingency the seller can entertain that offer and initiate a kick out clause. The clock is now ticking and Buyer # 1 has 48 hours to remove the home sale contingency, provide poof they can purchase without selling or their agreement becomes null and void. 

Sound easy?...Well it can be and then sometimes it's a nightmare.  Usually we have standard addendum's we use so that as agents we are not drafting legal documents. In NH it's illegal to practice Law and sell real estate without a license.  So anyway all REALTORS have access to approved forms, contracts and addendum's that are available on line via our REALTOR state association. They're free and easy and we have a whole library full of every imaginable addendum an agent might find themselves needing. You simply click add the names, property address, print and your done...a very nice benefit if you ask me.

So just what am I getting at you might be thinking?

Well, I do the showing since the listing agent assures me that Buyers # 1 won't be able to perform without selling their current residence and my buyers do not have a home to sell...sounds pretty good...doesn't it?

 My buyers love the place...of course!

We write up a very good offer with a close date 5 weeks out and contingent upon the seller initiating the 48 hour kick out and buyer # 1 signing the release. We'd technically be in second place only until Buyer # 1 signs the release. A formality the listing agent tells me as he is sure that buyer # 1 can not buy without selling and would not be able to afford a bridge loan in any case.

Okay, our offer gets accepted and all looks good. Nothing to do but wait for the release. We wait and finally get a call from the listing agent at what would have been the end of the 48 hour period.

Listing agent... "We have a... ummm problem..."
Me..."What kind of a problem?"
Listing agent..."The buyer's agent tells me the buyers won't sign a release."
Me..."Wow, can they get financing then?"
Listing agent..."Ummm I dunno."
Me..."Okay so what are you saying?"
Listing agent..."They won't sign."
Me..."So how long do we have to wait for their closing date to come and go?"  I'm figuring it to be a few weeks out and my buyers, I knew, wanted it and would wait it out if need be.
Listing agent..."Well uhhh that's part of the problem...we don't have a closing date!"
Me..."What?? No closing date...How could that be? No closing date...no contract...not a valid contract in my opinion...BUT why would you have your seller sign a contact without an end/closing date?  And what about the addendum...the kick out clause...gotta have a date on that?"
Listing agent..."Well ummm that's the other problem. It's a loosely written addendum written by the buyer agent and has no date."

Me ..."A Loosely written addendum...no closing date? How in the world could a professional let that slip by them?"

So guess what?  No dates, anywhere and this contract was fully executed by all parties and now buyer # 1 won't sign a release...even though I know it's not a contract...I'm not an attorney... just a real estate agent who happens to know contract law. 

Now these sellers will need to hire an attorney to help get them out of an invalid contract that they never should have signed to begin with. They are not happy sellers and the listing agent and his broker are both squirming. They are hoping that the seller just plays nice and gives buyer # 1 a little more time, they know if the seller hires an attorney that they will be the first one the attorney points a finger at.

This just really frustrates me! Unbelievable...

Jay and Monika McGillicuddy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monika McGillicuddy

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Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty

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Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Mike...I asked to see it!!! LOL I don't think I'll get my hands on it but I sure would love to!

Shannon...I wonder if the Buyer agent did it on purpose???

Tony...I have tried to push it believe me. My buyers are hanging in there! Our forms are on the member side of our NHAR website.

Virginia...It is embarrassing to our profession!!! I can't believe the LA let it slide by !!!

Chris...We also insert dates in our Kick Out Clauses...this one was written by the BA and was not on one of our approved forms! What a mess!

Donna..Ours are a fill in the blanks as well...problem is the blanks weren't  filled in!!!  Also the brokers hold the escrow...not a title company.  

Lenn...Sellers have now contacted an attorney who is previewing everything! I think this will get sticky! 

Just shows ya Jeff when things go bad they really go bad!!! 

Mitchell...When I see these types of things it really makes me wonder if we should be allowed to write contracts...ours are simple...fill in the blanks but even at that some people mess up big time. 

Jan 09, 2007 05:03 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area
Thanks Maureen...Escape clause..Usually up here we (seller's side) insert them when we get a home sale contingency in our contract. Buyers typically don't like them! Can't blame them.
Jan 09, 2007 05:05 AM
Jim & Maria Hart
Brand Name Real Estate - Charleston, SC
Charleston, SC Real Estate

I can't believe that the dates were just accidentally left off.  The dates are sometimes the most critical part of the whole addendum.  I just feel for your clients now...it's so hard to compare other homes to the one you really want.

Jan 09, 2007 07:58 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area
Jim & Maria...I know my people want that house and are hoping it gets resolved so that they can be in first place! Nothing else will compare as they have their hearts set on it.
Jan 09, 2007 11:00 AM
Phyllis Pafumi
ReStyled to Sell Home Staging New Jersey - Old Bridge, NJ
ReStyled to Sell Staging Homes NJ

Real estate, closings, and people...hmm, all make for an interesting combination and spell trouble. This is a tough business.

Phyllis Pafumi

Jan 09, 2007 01:41 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Prudential Verani Realty - Atkinson, NH
NH Real Estate Broker
Phyllis...It is a tough business but I really couldn't imagine doing anything else at least it's never boring. Thanks for commenting.
Jan 09, 2007 02:05 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Monika... I agree with a few comments made, basically being thorough. So many people tend to cut corners or just want to make everyone happy. But at times, it seems to nip someone in the butt.

I do hope it gets resovled. Keep us posted.

Jan 09, 2007 03:41 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Jeff...Thanks so much for commenting. I've been doing this for 22 years and have seen a lot but never something as ridiculous as this. This is just way too much.

 

Jan 10, 2007 12:36 AM
Cindy Lin
Staged4more School of Home Staging - South San Francisco, CA
Host, The Home Staging Show podcast

ack. that's incredibly frustrating. i was just talking with an appraiser today. she said she had to have 2000 hours of education prior to becoming an appraiser. 2000 hours!  there needs to be more education involved than simply studying a book and take a test.

cheers,

cindy

i love staging and all things staging!

i stage to sell, live & work in san francisco bay area

www.staged4more.com

http://stagingtipsandmore.com 

 

Jan 10, 2007 12:25 PM
Cindy Lin
Staged4more School of Home Staging - South San Francisco, CA
Host, The Home Staging Show podcast
ps. love the picture of you teaching!
Jan 10, 2007 12:25 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Thanks Cindy..New Hampshire requires only 9 hours of license re cert. Many REALTOR®S that I know however have way more than that. Last time I had over 60 credits but only needed 9.

Thanks for the compliment about the photo.  

Jan 10, 2007 12:32 PM
Monica Hubert
Kiefer Realty - Ocala, FL
:::::Butting In:::::::: Moni K, Just wanted to say HI! Haven't chatted with you since yesterday and Figured I would stop by..hehehe
Jan 11, 2007 02:58 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Prudential Verani Realty - Atkinson, NH
NH Real Estate Broker
Moni C....I found you! I was trying to figure out where you commented!
Jan 11, 2007 11:43 AM
Monica Hubert
Kiefer Realty - Ocala, FL

Moni K,

I sent you on a scavenger Hunt didn't I? We should make that a game...LOL

 

Jan 11, 2007 11:47 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Prudential Verani Realty - Atkinson, NH
NH Real Estate Broker
LOL...keeping me on my toes!
Jan 11, 2007 01:04 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area

Phylena,

It was pretty weird to say the least....no closing date- I still can't believe it.

Jan 12, 2007 08:41 AM
Doug Quance, Associate Broker
BrokersFirstRealty.com - Suwanee, GA

I don't know about your state, but in Georgia - if you have no closing date... you don't have a contract.

Therefore, the first buyers are SOL. They don't want to sign? They don't need to.

I can think of two brokers that should have reviewed the work of two agents... so that makes FOUR sets of eyes that missed this.

Geez.

Jan 12, 2007 12:44 PM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area
Doug...Thanks for commenting. NH is the same must have a closing date to make a valid contract.  We unfortunately can't get money out of escrow without signatures...
Jan 14, 2007 09:22 AM
Ray Nellum
Envision Real Estate Group, LLC. - Fort Smith, AR
Fort Smith Real Estate

Monika,

You are not alone!  I've seen a similiar situation happen in my area.  I wasn't involved, but was very close to the situation.  It is very frustrating when other "Professionals" don't do their job.  Maybe we are just perfectionist, you think? 

Remember this, Life is GOOD!

Jan 17, 2007 02:22 PM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!
anybody see some brokers around here?
Jun 22, 2007 02:08 AM