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When greed overrules common sense....one real estate story

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Early in my career I worked for a real estate attorney. There was a real estate buyer named Lisa I was working with whom I will never forget.  She was a single mom and was looking to make her first real estate purchase with her mother.  

The road to approval

Lisa's desire to move to a better neighborhood and become a homeowner was strong. Her employment history was solid, but her credit was spotty.  She needed her mother as a co-signer because she hadn't been in her current position for that long, and the income from her previous positions was significantly lower than her current position.  Her mother's income wasn't high and she too had credit "issues". Needless to say, the ride to loan approval was a rocky one.

When I received Lisa's loan approval letter on the fax, it came back with at least 5-10 conditions that needed to be satisfied prior to closing.  I worked with Lisa to make sure she got together the documentation that her lender needed and to communicate the details of what the lender needed to Lisa to make sure what she had would satisfy the conditions listed.  

Once we sent the documentation to Lisa's lender and the loan came out of underwriting, it was, again another list of about 5 or so conditions.  So we went through the process of gathering together documentation, sometimes needing to find substitutes that would meet the approval of the lender after checking with them to make sure they would take something different, than off to underwriting again.  

This process happened no less than three times, and we had to request at least three different extension's of the financing contingency AND the closing date from the Seller and the seller's attorney.

Are we done yet? 

In the end, the loan ended up closing.  It was several weeks after the original date on the contract, and many candle burning hours spent with Lisa and her mother trying to speed up the process and at the same time, juggling a discontented listing agent, seller's attorney, title company, and seller.  But it did close, and Lisa, her mom, and her 2 year old son moved into a better neighborhood. 

I assumed this move would be it for awhile.  Lisa and her mom would enjoy homeownership, dig some roots, and start to build some equity in their house.  So I was shocked, and so was the rest of the law office where I worked, when another contract came across the fax nearly 5 months later for Lisa and her mom to buy another house, contingent upon the sale of the house they nearly didn't close on 5 months ago.

We accepted the contract at the law office.  When I spoke with Lisa, she said she really wanted to upgrade to this house, it had a brick exterior which she much preferred.  She had also just been promoted, so felt that this would be an affordable move for her.   I was skeptical.

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You can imagine that problems occurred almost from the start with the lender.  Lisa had just received the promotion, so her salary history wasn't reflective of the higher amount.  She hadn't incurred much debt since the time of her last loan, but some as I recall.  And then there was the issue that her house had to sell before she could buy this one. 

When the problems started to creep up on this file and it seemed as if they would continue and it was a no win situation, we had to have a consult with the client.  She ended up agreeing, reluctantly, that maybe this wasn't the best time for her to upgrade.

So what was my lesson learned?  Actually there were three.

The first was the fact that Lisa is human, and human nature can take the side of greed.  Lisa achieved one goal and she wanted to aim higher, now.  Nothing wrong with that, she just didn't have the means to get there at that time. 

Second, we should have backed out of representation in the second contract.  Many law offices don't get paid until closing either, the one I worked for was one of those law offices.  We had already lost money on the first deal just in the hours spent alone. 

Third, maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard on the first deal.  If it took three times in underwriting to close the loan, maybe it wasn't meant to be at that time.

I wonder what position Lisa and her mom are in now.  Did they end up staying in their house?  Did they refinance or get any home equity lines of credit?  Did they upgrade to a new house? Their deal closed 10 years ago and I wonder where they stand in this current real estate climate. 

I hope their roots are solid and strong.

 


 

Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene
IF I got paid by the hour, I'd be rich!!! Some deals take less time but if we turned away people just because we were going to have to work harder then half the country wouldn't be homeowners. The harder the deal, the more I deserve the check at the end of the day. I like feeling like I earned my paycheck.
Feb 16, 2008 02:23 AM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
It's easy to get caught up in everything. When you get something that you weren't sure you'd get, then you suddenly get an increase in salary. It makes you wonder what else you could get. 
Feb 16, 2008 02:49 AM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate
There are always people who are driven by the almighty dollar. It is those that will do the right thing that eventually come out ahead. It is rare that you see someone turn something down for their convictions when it involves a handsome payday.
Feb 16, 2008 03:54 AM
Jeffrey DiMuria 321.223.6253 Waves Realty
Waves Realty - Melbourne, FL
Florida Space Coast Homes
Lots of stories like that come to mind...you wonder if the people you squeeze into homes really should be in that predicament in the first place.
Feb 16, 2008 06:16 AM
Rich Dansereau
Positive Real Estate Professionals - Knoxville, TN
Good story with some great lessons learned on all sides. I think the third lesson should be more about your persistence and hard work paying off for the client. It stinks your firm didn't cover their expenses in the end though. I agree with Lawrence's comment above in that oftentimes clients recognize your hard work and, though you may not be rewarded immediately, your true payoff comes in the form of referrals and positive word of mouth about you and your business.
Feb 16, 2008 08:07 AM
Rosario Lewis
DDR Realty - Newburgh, NY
GRI, SRES - DDR Realty - Orange County, NY
We all need to realize that the customer is NOT always right. Sometimes customers need to be shown the light and shown the door.
Feb 16, 2008 11:10 AM
Paula Hartwick
Royal LePage Gale Real Estate - Kanata, ON

What a great story. Thanks so much for sharing. I must admit, I too have felt the greed of wanting to move up to a "bigger/better" house before we were ready. Luckily, I have a husband who's feet are planted firmly on the ground and he talked me out of it. Now we're in a house we can easily afford and we hope to be mortgage free by the time I'm 35. Then, we hope to climb up a couple rungs on the property ladder, all the while keeping our mortgage at a manageable level. Thanks again!

Feb 16, 2008 12:00 PM
Tina M. Atilho
William Raveis Real Estate - Milford, CT
Great story.  Thank you for sharing. 
Feb 17, 2008 03:32 AM
Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision - Lake Geneva, WI

Marchel- Difficult, but good that you gave an honest assessment.

Gary- Thank you and likewise:-)

Lane- Greed can come in many shapes and sizes.  You can be greedy or make a greedy decision, both different in scope and nature.  That being said, thank you for sharing your story.  It sounds like your transaction was a more sound deal than the real estate buyers in my story.  Sometimes transactions are difficult for no goo reason other than lack of experience.

Laurie- That is a great idea, unfortunately, I don't have access to that file any longer.  I am curious by nature as well.

Chrystina- Thank you.  I am always learning, whether intentional or not:-)

Diane- You got it.

Ruthmarie- Sounds like you had some smart cookies. What great repeat business:-)

Lawrence,Cheri, and Rich- I have probably had deals that have demanded just as much time.  I guess on this one it was more about the nature of the deal.  Plus, I am trying to adopt a work smarter not harder attitude.  Again- trying.

Christy and Bill- This is true.  Pay increases are good, doing the right thing and getting paid to do it are even better, doing the right thing and paying your self is the best.

Team DiMura- Each customer is different, so it probably is a matter of assessing each situation and treating it individually.

Rosario- I think it was AT&T who laid off hundreds of their cell phone customers who were taking up too much time and costing them money.

Paula- Thank you for sharing your story.  Sounds like you are well grounded with roots.

Tina- Thank you for reading my post. 

 

 

 

Feb 17, 2008 01:51 PM
Robin Willis
eXp Realty - Tucson, AZ
CDPE, SRES, Associate Broker
Interesting story.  Too bad Lisa didn't send you all kinds of referrals for the hard work that you did for her.
Apr 07, 2008 06:16 AM
Liz Moras Migic
Chilliwack, BC
Chilliwack, British Columbia - Realtor

Great example....super lesson...........both to look within ourselves to keep evaluating our own motivation..........to be straightforward and upfront with our clients....to learn the lessons.....and tell the stories.........and to have compassion....and understand for peoples weaknesses and strengths..:-)

Love your purple backdrop.........for dramatic.....!

Apr 16, 2008 05:32 PM
Marian Gregor-Ann
Keller Williams - Ann Arbor, MI
Arbor area Real Estate

Hi Rebecca, Wow. Great life lessons story. I try to consult with clients, especially if it (quick move to yet another house) is really not in their best interests.

Dec 27, 2008 02:07 PM
Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision - Lake Geneva, WI

Marian- I remember this was a very emotional post for me to write.  It brought me back in time and to this day really has taught me a lesson about helping consumers and about making choices that aren't easy, especially when money on the table is involved.  AND I remember these consumers and like I said, I wonder if they are in their house today.

 

Dec 28, 2008 04:18 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Marian~This is a great post! And one that we are all guilty of. We have all struggled to make loans work, gotten co-signers, gift letters you name it. You are so right maybe it was too soon. I think with the current housing market we are correcting a lot of that. Gone are the days of hard work making a loan close. Thanks for the post.

 

Jan 20, 2009 12:52 PM
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Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision - Lake Geneva, WI

You are welcome.  Yes it is hard to know when to walk away.  Homeownership is such a personal transaction.

Jan 21, 2009 01:31 AM
Debbie Summers
Charles Rutenberg Realty - New Smyrna Beach, FL

Rebecca - You're right... This is a great post, thanks for the link - I missed it the first time around.

Jan 21, 2009 03:26 AM
Brad Yzermans
First Time Home Buyer & Down Payment Assistance Specialist in So Cal. - Temecula, CA
Temecula-Murrieta-Menifee FHA/VA Mortgage Lender

Great strory but I would disagree that just because underwriting keeps spitting out new conditions that it isn't ment to be.  This is normal for underwriting to re-issue additional conditions...this is done to protect themselves.  As you can see, the last 4-5 years lenders did not do a good job of 'protecting' themsleves and let poorly underwrtin files through the door due to greed.  If we let the dificulty of geting a loan through underwriting be the determining factor if the transaction should be done then there would be a lot less homeowners in this world.

Jan 21, 2009 05:20 AM
Steve Jones
Re/max Specialists - Jacksonville, FL
Steve Jones Team

I liked this post too. Sometimes we have to learn these hard lessons. I know I have had similar experiences.

Jan 21, 2009 06:28 AM
Marzena Melby
Coldwell Banker Burnet Realty - Richfield, MN
Realtor, Twin Cities Minnesota Real Estate

Rebecca, What a great post!  Thanks for linking to it in your current one.

Jan 21, 2009 08:20 PM
John Mosier
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
Prescott's Patriot Agent 928 533-8142

Rebecca, this was a great story, but sadly it is representative of the problems we still face today.

Aug 15, 2010 06:29 PM