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I Want To Buy The House I'm Renting. Can You Help Me?? Sure. I can do that!!

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Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

BUYER WANTS TO BUY.  SELLER WANTS TO SELL. 

No, the property isn't listed for sale.  No, the buyer isn't looking for an agent to find a home.  The buyer wants to buy the house they're renting because the seller plans to sell it at the end of the least term.  Generally, the owner has informed the tenant that they plan to sell and don't plan to renew the lease. 

There's nothing new in real estate (until the next regulation is published).  Over many years in the real estate world, I suspect that I've just about seen it all.  In many ways that's a good thing.  A wealth of practical experience is gained each and every year through each transaction.  Rarely do I encounter a transaction barrier for the first time.  As the old saying goes, "Been there, done that!"

This article is inspired by a series published by George Souto in his post about advising a prospective borrower to "get a Realtor".  See:  A Buyer Needs To Be Represented By A Realtor When Purchasing A Home #2


O.K.  The seller plans to sell the investment property now rented.
O.K.  The buyer wants to buy the home they're renting.
O.K.  The buyer has spoken with a lender and has been credit approved. 

What's missing?  Why can't they go forward??  Well, the buyer is on notice that they must prepare to move or buy the house they're renting.  What to do?  The loan officer has already suggested to them that they should "get a Realtor".   After all, a transaction isn't going anywhere until there is a Contract of Sale between the tenant/buyer and the owner/seller. 

Who can prepare a contract of sale??  Many entities.  Agent

Local real estate attorneys
Local title companies
Local real estate agents/brokers
Consumers with a form from a local office supplier or on the Internet.

Sounds easy doesn't it???   So, why are the buyer and the seller paralyzed by inaction??   BECAUSE NEITHER THE BUYER NOR THE SELLER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.   One thing is clear:  Real estate brokers and agents are PAID FOR WHAT WE KNOW, not what we do!!  Oh, we can prepare a contract, provide disclosures, arrange for inspections, settlements, etc.  However, first we must KNOW WHAT TO DO.

So, the prospective buyer goes to the Internet and calls an agent.  Perhaps they have been advised by a loan officer to "get a Realtor".  That's the easiest way to get help.  Over the years I've spoken with many consumers who "just want us to write the Contract of Sale".  They believe that if a real estate agent/broker is involved, everything will be taken care of and they can buy that house they're renting. 

"I JUST NEED A CONTRACT"  A conversation will go something like this:

Buyer:  "I'm renting a house in Leesburg, VA and my landlord says he's going to sell it when my lease is up.  I want to buy the house.  Can you help me?"

Agent:  "Sure, has the landlord given you a price?"

Buyer:  "Yes.  He plans to sell it for $350,000. "

Agent: 
"Does he plan to prepare a Contract of Sale?"

Buyer:  "No.  He said I could do that." 

Agent: 
"Have you spoken with a loan officer to make sure you're qualified for that price range?"

Buyer: 
"Yes.  I spoke with my credit union and I'm qualified for up to $375,000.  They said I just need a contract."

Agent:   "Good.  We can prepare a Contract of Sale for you.  First, we need to preview the property and research recent properties SOLD so you'll Agentknow the approximate value of the property.  Also, there are certain DISCLOSURES that the state requires as a part of any real estate contract of sale.   We'll also contact a local title company to do the title examination to make sure the owner has clear title, make sure he's current on his mortgage and prepare the documents to close"

Buyer:  "I didn't know about all of that.  But, I guess it's O.K." 

Agent:  "Most folks who are buying a property they're renting don't usually realize that it's more complicated than they thought.  Of course, there is a real estate fee involved.  Have you spoken with your landlord about paying a real estate agent to handle the sale?? 

Buyer:  "Yes, but he doesn't want to pay any one.  He said I would have to take care of that."

(HINT:  If the landlord had any plans to pay a real estate
agent/broker to handle the sale, they would already have it listed.)

Agent:  "O.K.  Our fee to manage the transaction for you would be $7,000 or 2% of the sales price."

Buyer:  "Oh no.  I don't want to pay that much.  I didn't realize how complicated it is going to be."

Agent: 
"Well, we can probably save you money by doing a "Limited Service" agreement and just charge for the services we provide."

Buyer:  "That sounds better.  I've already found the house.  How much would that be?"

Agent:  "Well, real estate fees are negotiable.  Do you have an amount that you believe you would pay us to handle the transaction for you?"

Buyer:  "Oh, maybe a $100 or so."

TIME TO END THE CONVERSATION.  At that point, I realize that neither the buyer nor the seller is willing to pay a real estate agent, Realtor or not, adequate compensation for the duties involved in managing a transaction or THE RISKS TO THE AGENT/BROKER.  Our fees are fully negotiable and to manage a translation such as the above would usually be considerably lower than the fee charged for a transaction where we assist the buyer in finding the home to buy, research financing alternatives, managing inspections, closing, etc. 

How are our fees determined??  Over the century or so that real estate brokers have managed millions real estate transactions, we have learned that each transaction is different.  One contract may require 10 hours from beginning to end and others may require 100 hours or more to reach settlement.  Now that Short Sales are a part of our inventory, the hours may easily be doubled.  

Buying a FSDO or rented property.  If a home buyer has already found the house they wish to purchase and they just need someone to manage the Contract of Sale the agent will not be involved in long hours of property tours.  In that case, agents/brokers can offer a LIMITED SERVICE representation and charge by the services performed from a menu of services offered and agreed to between the buyer and broker/agent.  Since the buyer has selected the home they wish to buy, we would charge approximately the following.

EXAMPLE:
Preview property and prepare CMA - $500Agent
Prepare Contract of Sale and present to seller - $500.
Provide state/county required DISCLOSURES for seller - $300
Refer Contract to Title company - $100
Manage home inspection and repair contingency - $600
Attend pre-settlement walk-through - $300
Attend settlement meeting - $400

The above fees add up to about $2,700. 

Or, we can charge by the hour with an agreed minimum hours.  Limited transaction is not contingent on settlement.  Therefore, with this type of representation, the fee is PAID IN ADVANCE. 

There's a reason real estate brokerage fees are what many believe are expensive.

THEY ARE CONTINGENT ON A SALE CLOSING!!  No closing, no real estate fee paid, by anyone, buyer or seller. 

In the end, it must be understood that real estate agents and brokers are paid for WHAT THEY KNOW, not what they do.

Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.  Serving home buyers in MD and Northern Virginia.

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Comments(92)

Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

Boy, that's a lot of work for the little ole' buyer. This could all be solved, like you mentioned, if the buyer would just listen to those three key words. 'GET A REALTOR".

Jan 15, 2013 07:46 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

I had the reverse situation happen, as I'm sure many others have to. The Owner wanted to sell, the Tenant almost fainted when I came by to tell him, he had planned to just renew his lease, I assured him that I would help him, he bought and his payments are MUCH lower than his rent would have been. He started doing extra painting, etc. even before the Closing. A VERY HAPPY Client!

Jan 15, 2013 07:52 AM
F U
nobody - Alamance, NT
Dead

Would you pay $100 to get a tooth pulled, no anesthesia of course. That would not pay for the gas to go meet with them to fill out the forms. Amazing how some people think.

Jan 15, 2013 09:23 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

Great post and illustration about the nominal fees for services rendered.  Thanks for sharing your information.

 

Jan 15, 2013 02:28 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

It always is amazing how people think OTHER people's work isn't worth much, but their own is worth plenty.

I've run into that a few times with real estate agents and web developers who think copywriters should work for oh, maybe $5 a hour. And as you said, that's the time when you know it's time to end the conversation.

Jan 15, 2013 04:45 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Paddy.  Thanks.  Nothing is free.  Free real estate services equal risky real estate services.

Jon.  Someone needs to.

Travis.  Hopefully, the seller paid you.

Janine.  OUr value is not understood by the consumer.

Kimo.  My pleasure. 

Marte.  PERFECT example.  Thinking of the many real estate folks who can't write, I'm sure you run into many who think it's easy.  IT ISN'T.

 

Jan 15, 2013 06:31 PM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Lenn.  You certainly have been there and down that.  Great post.

Jan 15, 2013 07:26 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Conrad.  Indeed.  Real estate is an adventure.

Jan 15, 2013 07:52 PM
Ric Mills
Keller Williams Southern Az - Tucson, AZ
Integrity, Honesty, and Vast Real Estate Knowledge

Lenn, excellent insight as usual.  Yes we all get these calls and no one understands what we do.  They all think it is for free.  I always refer them to an attorney to see what they would charge and in this state very few will take it on without involving a Realtor to get the property forms and disclosures.  The attorneys I talk to have a minimum fee exceeding $3000 up front .

Jan 16, 2013 01:40 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Lenn, we recently did one for a friend who was buying with seller holding note.  Even though she did all the leg work and negotiating we still charge her $500 just to fill out the contract.

Jan 16, 2013 01:56 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

That fee sounds about right to me.  There are matters that many attorney don't get involved with.

Bob.  I'm not even sure I want to do that.  Not managing the entire transaction puts us at risk of error on someone else's part.

Jan 16, 2013 02:23 AM
Charles E. Jack, IV
Charles E. Jack Appraisal & Consulting - Las Vegas, NV
MAI

I had a good buddy that did this on the sell side to his tenant.  I negotiated a fee of $1,250 and I didn't do  first two items or last two items on your list.  They had already contracted by the time I came into the picture.  The seller was an appraiser and had well above average real estate knowledge. 

This post is a good point that your agent skills have value and you don't always have to do a full percentage listing in order to get paid for the services you are capable of offering.  

Jan 16, 2013 08:39 AM
Kimberly Thurm
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Chicago - Naperville, IL
Broker / Relocation Consultant ABR, CRS, GRI, SFR

Very interesting!!  I never thought of breaking it down as a per item charge.  Here in our state legally it's a little different.  In our general area (Chicago-land area), seller's have an attorney.  The seller's attorney is typically in charge of ordering & examining title, for which they get paid on the HUD for these services.  Also the title companies here do not prepare any doc's the seller's attorney does that as well. 

Jan 16, 2013 01:18 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Charles.  Great example.  Limited Service is fine when that's all the consumer needs.

Kimberly.  Things are always different in "attorney states".  Neither MD nor VA are attorney states.  Attorneys have been trying to get legislative control of the contracts forever and reduce agents to functionaries showing or listing properties for sale.  So far, the NAR and VAR have succeeded in keeping management of contracts in the hands of real estate brokers.

 

Jan 16, 2013 06:14 PM
Joan Defenbaugh
Keller Williams Capital Partners Worthington & Northwest Columbus - Columbus, OH
REALTOR® Defenbaugh TEAM

That was a great article. You covered it well. I've never heard the saying about how we are paid for what we know. That makes me feel better just hearing it :)  Our team is starting to spend a lot of time waiting and watching for homes to pop up on the market. Our new listings are going in contract so fast. The hardest work begins after the paperwork is signed on the offer. 

Jan 18, 2013 12:50 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Jean.  Indeed.  IF the buyer is looking in the right price range, finding the home to buy is merely a matter of touring and deciding.  The agent's work really begins when we sit down with the buyer to write the Contract of Sale.  This is where experience counts.

 

Jan 18, 2013 07:38 PM
Rob Renk
Center Street Lending - McKinney, TX
AE | Fast Fix/Flip Loans for Residential Investors

Buyers are naive to what actually goes into a real estate transaction.  I don't believe they realize the legal documents that must be filed and signed and recorded just to make the deal legal.  Oh yeah, we'll pay you a $100.

Jan 18, 2013 08:40 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Rob.  Just shows the scant understanding of an agent's contribution to a transaction.

Jan 18, 2013 08:51 PM
Larry Lawfer
YourStories Realty Group - Newton, MA
"I listen for a living." It's all about you.

Lenn, this is an interesting story, thanks for taking the time to share your experience and insights.  I have two such properties one is an estate sale and the other has an out of country owner. The negotiations are arduous, but fortunately people are talking and see the value in my services.  I am double ending both deals.

Jan 21, 2013 01:20 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Larry.  Good for you.  I'll stick with the buyers.

Jan 21, 2013 06:19 AM