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Are Lenders Redlining Entire Cities?

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Managing Real Estate Broker with San Diego Previews Real Estate CA BRE# 01101958

San Diego Mortgage RedliningRedlining is a term that describes the unethical–if not illegal–practice where lenders “red line” a neighborhood or community, making it very difficult for buyers to purchase in these afflicted areas.

I have recently heard from a couple of direct lenders in San Diego,  Countrywide Home Loans and Bank of America, that most if not all of San Diego County real estate is in the “red zone.”

Qualifying for current “red zone” status simply means that the subject property is located in a “declining market” area. The impact of this colorization is significant to both the San Diego real estate market as a whole–and to first time home buyers in particular.

Furthermore, I suspect it is a practice affecting much of the country. 

How this version of redlining works creates a no-win situation for buyers putting down less than 5 percent.

Even if a buyer has negotiated a bargain purchase price, say 10 percent under market value, the appraiser will automatically deduct another 5 percent from the contract price to determine a value. In other words, a borrower cannot get away with putting less than 5 percent down.

I spoke with Brian Brady a couple of weeks ago about this matter. I had been told by a representative from a large direct lender that San Marcos, CA was in a “red zone,” and would be subject to different lending standards. Brian bristled at the thought of redlining, declaring it an illegal practice unless an entire region were painted red.

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Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes
Jeff: It's both scary and stoopid in my mind. Talk about exacerbating a problem!
Feb 19, 2008 03:39 PM
Charlie Arthur, CCIM
RE/MAX FIRST, INC. - Port Townsend, WA
We have some trouble with that when we are in a "disaster area" when if fact the "disaster" never hit our particular part of the county.  Hang in there.
Feb 19, 2008 03:41 PM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes
Charles: We'd think (wish) lenders would be trying to bring thoughtful solutions to the table.
Feb 19, 2008 03:42 PM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes
Charlie:Thanks for the encouragement. I don't think the disaster ever really impacted your area of Washington, did it?
Feb 19, 2008 03:45 PM
Cynthia Tilghman, Realtor® Onslow County NC Home Specialist
Kingsbridge Realty, Inc - Hubert, NC
Roberta,
This is disturbing....solutions should be the goal not labeling and desertion. 
Feb 19, 2008 10:08 PM
Charlottesville Solutions
Charlottesville Solutions - Charlottesville, VA

This is really a scary thing. I had no idea it was going on. If they are truly red lining, you are correct it is not only unethical but also illegal.

Your Friend in Charlottesville

Feb 19, 2008 10:29 PM
Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton
Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC - Hilton Head Island, SC
My heart goes out to people trying to refinance in areas like California.  I find this very circumspect.
Feb 19, 2008 10:31 PM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes

Cynthia: I can understand lenders wanting to protect themselves and their investors, but cautious buyers, desperate sellers and sensible underwriting are already creating a market bottom. Add genuine appraisals and this 5-percent solution is no longer needed.

Charles:  Thank you. I'd love to see the map.

 Diane: It is tough for those who need to refinance and frustrating for first time buyers who don't have large down payments.

Feb 20, 2008 12:24 AM
John Hokkanen
SurfTheTurf.com - Encinitas, CA
Encinitas Real Estate

The red zone isn't saying that you can't get a loan there, but just that they won't lend more than x% to build in a buffer, right?  If the lender has the statistical data to show the decline, then it is driven by objective data at least.  Of course, that creates a bad problem because it could create a vicious circle....if you can only borrow 75% of value, then that pushes the sale price down potentially, which further shows that the area is suffering losses, which means that they'll lend even less.  Is there any alternative to the conservative lending that they're doing?  Would it be better to require mortgage insurance on the 5% or something like that?  With risk-based pricing, the bank has to pass on the cost of the additional risk to the borrower, and not adequately assessing such risk is sort of the cause of some of the mess that we're in now.  Maybe if we could get a borrower-paid insurance policy to cover the buffer zone, this would allow the banks to lend the full amount without worrying about future decline.

John H.

 

Feb 24, 2008 05:09 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
Roberta- All of LA County...including Manhattan Beach, Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Bel Aire, Malibu, Holmby Hills, Rolling Hills and of course Palos Verdes are all part of the declining area that is Los Angeles County.. pretty much of a joke.. But they have to include these markets or they would be accused of discimination if they just targeted Compton, Hawthorne, Gardena Huntington Park and other low cost areas made up of mainly of minorities..
Feb 26, 2008 11:28 AM
Bill Nazur
First Lending Solutions - Riverside, CA

So Roberta....

While I agree with the frustration of dealing with this issue, all of those areas inclusing MB, Rolling Hills, PV have experienced declines in value from all of the financing I've done.....doesnt mean they're not growing now, but again, even the appraisers are gun shy about assigning value these days....sometimes its absolutely minimal, so I agree that the thought of cutting across an entire county doesnt make sense, but I hardly believe its redlining.

Great thought provoking post to say the least.

Feb 27, 2008 01:37 AM
Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison
Yes our whole state is red. Howard Silberstein did a great post a few weeks ago and had an excellent map of foreclosure activity around the country showing the red areas. If you only listen to the media you'll be amazed at how many areas are not impacted at all but check out his map for a different take on the red state / blue state argument.
Feb 28, 2008 06:36 AM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes

John: It appears that magic number or discount is 5 percent. That's the current buffer required--regardless of any pricing discount negotiated by the purchaser. I would rather see MI on the buffer than a flat percentage discount. Makes much more sense.

Kaye:That works. Well-heeled buyers are in a position to pay the 5 percent down--or at least the difference between the price negotiated and the appraisal discount. It is the first time home buyers--and those re-entering the market--who are being hurt by this requirement. 

Feb 28, 2008 01:20 PM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes

Bill: Thank you!

Gene: Older, affluent and established communities and neighborhoods are only marginally affected by this crisis. It is the new home developments, condo conversions and overbuilt areas that are awash in blood.  Thanks for the link! 

Feb 28, 2008 01:23 PM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

"Bristled" is an excellent verb and excatly how I felt.  LTV reductions or tighter loan guidelines can not be made granularly at the zip code level ; the whole county or MSA has to be equitably penalized.  Individual properties can't be subject to different guidelines, (unless it's rated rural by the appraiser).

Redlining is illegal; if one zip code in San Marcos is subject to LTV reductions, than Rancho Santa Fe must be subject to the same reductions.  Why?  Restricting capital to blighted zip codes reduces the ability for those zip codes to revive.

I "bristled" because I know it happens and a lending rep told Roberta "not too worry; your home is in the RIGHT zip code".  Not only is that statement illegal, it's stupid because it's an admission of guilt.

Fair lending is serious stuff and it should be.  Residential real estate capital has helped build wealth for all colors, creeds, and national origins.  While MSAs decline, attacking streets, or neighborhoods, or even zip codes can be construed as denying certain "groups" access to the capital that creates wealth

Feb 28, 2008 03:03 PM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes

Brian:

AMEN. 

Feb 28, 2008 03:09 PM
Cindy Kalionzes
no current broker affiliation - Mission Viejo, CA

So the correct banking response to a declining market is to exacerbate the problem?  What a ham-handed solution that is!

And it's only going to hurt them the most... if buyers can't refi or buy distressed properties, it'll only create more foreclosures they'll lose money on.

Mar 03, 2008 07:12 AM
Roberta Murphy
San Diego Previews Real Estate - Carlsbad, CA
Carlsbad Real Estate and Homes
Cindy: Thanks: Ham-handed it is --and pig-headed, too. 
Mar 03, 2008 01:10 PM
Anonymous
Cindy...Pawleys Island, SC
Bank of America has placed a freeze on equity lines and lowered available credit limits on cards per zip code in our area which is an ocean front, golf resort area. No notice, no new appraisal, just done. I've talked with them many times and they say it's coming from the top per zip code and letters will be sent out.  How is this anything but redlining? This is not based on anything a particular consumer has or has not done....not about improvements...no warning. No appraisals are ordered its just over. If you did upgrades on your property and go to pay for them....the money is not there. Why is the Federal Government allowing Bank of America to do this? We have laws that are supposed to protect us.
Apr 09, 2008 11:21 AM
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Anonymous
Tina Landrith

Here is a letter I wrote Nov. 19th, 2008

Dear Senator Diane Fienstien and Congressman Cardoza,

Once again in life as a 100% service committed veteran due to PTSD I need your assistance. I am attempting to buy a home with my V.A. loan benefit and through Wells Fargo Bank. I am encountering some issues that have appear to involve discrimination due to the fact I have a psychological disability. I have been in the process of buying this home since July, 2008 to present and have met every requirement they have requested. Now I am encountering problems again after meeting the requirements for their conditional approval that have regressed to issues they already addressed two months ago regarding my debt to ratio income. They have also not included my son's social security benefit due to the fact my mother is the payee representative on the account although that income is relative. I will contact the local congressman Dennis Cardoza regarding this matter. You have assisted me in other matters in the past as a R.O.T.C. student during the tale hook era and during periods of needing my rights protected in the V.A. System. I request and value your help once again and you always have my support and vote.


Since we have been in the process of trying to buy the home my some and I have become displaced because of the fact we were told we would close escrow several times. This has been a very difficult experience and continues to be difficult for myself and my twelve year old son Thomas.

I look forward to hearing you.

Sincerely,

Tina Landrith

Nov 19, 2008 11:51 PM
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