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At 11:30pm eastern time recently, I received a call from the west coast. As I was just about to go to bed, I let it go to voice mail.

The next day, I listened to the message, which was from someone in California. He was a bit confused as to who he was calling, and asked if I did Video Tours for real estate,etc. Since I am in the Boston area, California is a bit out of my range, so I was just going to ignore the call. But, I did decide to call him back and see what he wanted.

He had seen my website and samples of my real estate video tours, and and was relocating to the area and wanted to see video tours of homes in the area. I explained that I was not a REALTOR, only a provider of video tours. He kept reiterating that he wanted to watch video tours of homes before he and his wife came out since they don't have the option of traveling across the country multiple times to look at homes. I explained (again), that I was not a REALTOR. He asked me to refer him to someone who did Video Tours, and I told him that I could do that, however, they don't have video tours for every home for sale in the marketplace... just some of their listings. He insisted that he wanted someone who had video tours, so I told him that I did have one client who had done Video Tours for all of his listings for the past 12-14 months... but again... they are only for HIS listings... not all listings. He said that this was fine... and I gave him his number.

Less than an hour later, I spoke to this agent. He immediately received a call from this person. His wife is a prominent doctor in Boston, and they want to move somewhere north of Boston.... within 40 minutes to the city. Oh... price range?.... $2-2.5M.

He is most likely going to create videos for any homes this client is interested in, which will be posted on the web for the client to view. This way, when they DO come out, they will know exactly what they want to see, therefore not wasting their time. Oh, and this is the second million dollar buyer that he has received within the past 4 weeks due to Video Tours.

Another interesting (and somewhat pathetic) side note.... The agent was checking all homes in the area in the $1.5-10M range to see what was on the market that he could show him. Of the 40 or so properties currently listed, guess how many had a Virtual Tour?

NONE. Nada. Not one.

This is not Realtor.com, where you have to actually pay real money to have a virtual tour. This is the New Hampshire MLS. Even more ridiculous, the MLS allows up to 12 photos. Probably 75% of these listings had five photos or less. What are these REALTORS thinking? Are you on crack? Come on... a 2+ million dollar house... and you can't even put up the allowable 12 photographs???? Digital photographs are FREE. In case you've been on vacation for the past decade, there is no cost to develop photos any more, only the time to actually take the picture. And you can't even provide twelve lousy photos?????? If I was your seller I would fire you in a heartbeat. You're not doing your job. Sorry. To me, this is mind numbing, and just proves that the problem with many REALTORS is laziness... pure and simple.

The funniest thing is, when word gets out that an agent has a million dollar buyer (which is not that common these days), every agent with a million dollar listing in the area is on the phone begging for them to show their listing.

Again, I just don't get it.....

By the way, I was interviewed last week for a feature for NPR, which will be broadcast either this week or next... Subject? Real estate video tours for marketing real estate. I guess some people think it makes sense! I will post the audio of the interview once it's aired....


 
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78 Comments on Real estate video tours - do they really work?

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28
2007

In my area the average price of a home sold in the MLS over the past 12 months is $147,000 so you can imagine we have few million dollar listings.  However, we have one $1.2million listing in the MLS which the agent didn't even bother getting out of the car to take the photo.

I worked with a "high end" buyer for more than a year.  They wouldn't even go look at a house unless it had fair pictures.  There was one $700,000 house I had to go take photos of and send to him before he would agree to see the house.  We close this week, yahoo!

I have mixed feelings about video tours.  They do give a better feel of the homes layout.  Virtual tours are better in that sense than "flat" photos and  they offer the advantage of control to the consumer.  But "flat" photos give the photographer more control over what the consumer sees and can accentuate the best side of a particular view.

A recent survey by the NAR of buyers and sellers says that the buyer finds the photos most helpful. Virtual tours are number three.  I think video tours aren't on the list only because so few agents provide them.

6:49am • #1
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Fred,

Last year I had a buyer in the 3 million dollar price range.  She was moving from overseas.  Most of the listngs I sent to her did not have anything other than one exterior pic.  Our MLS allows 6 photos.  No virtual tours.  When I called the listing agents and asked if they had pictures, they did not.  So I went, took them and made virtual tours for her.  These homes are still on the market. 

6:53am • #2
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Fred, almost no agents in this market do virtual tours. I find them nice but do not have time to watch them. The prices here are much cheaper. i do a separate page on my site for each one of my listings. No one in this market does that. I use flyers and they work well in this market. I tout going to the site and seeing photos and learning about the area. Our mls has no tours that i know of. The bottom line the money is not in this market and the agent culture is not to do video tours. We however do other things that your area agents most likley do.
7:04am • #3
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I agree 100%, most buyers want photos, and virtual tours are even better.  If there is no photo, the client will most likely just pass that listing by and go to the next.  You must stand out to get your listings sold.

That being said, some homes are not in any shape to have a photo, it will just scare people off. :)

Gary Nelson

7:22am • #4

Fred, I agree that Video tours will start to become Popular, but when I say Video I mean Video... I recently created a Video for my personal home I was selling. We shot the Video, not only the house but the community as well, added a sound track and created a DVD complete with a menu... We then burned 10-20 at a time and provided them at our open house as well uploaded it to Youtube, Yahoo & google.

7:28am • #5
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Our average sales price from last month was $241,042 and that was only because we had a $1,018,000 home that sold in the county last month to bump up the figures.  I agree with Fred though that visual tours do sell homes and attract buyers, especially when they are from outside the area.  More and more buyers are asking for tours and I not only do them for my sellers but I also do them for buyers who asks for one to be done on other listings.  I just get permission from the listing agent to take the photos and send off the tour.

My son does the tours for me for $25 each.  All I have to do is send him the photos and a recording of what to write below the photos so it is not much time out of my schedule.

7:46am • #6
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Majority of houses I sell are 800K and up. Unless I have an artistic or brownstone type of house most likely i won't use the video tour. People are usually disappointed when they see the house first hand. Better off w/o it.
7:47am • #7
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Whenever I look at MLS and see expensive homes for the area that do not have some type of tour I assume that the home would not have shown well and that is why the agent did not post one.  I think a lot of people make this assumption. 
7:55am • #8
I am a mortgage broker, I have a contact that is a photographer in the area (Delaware) who just added this to their services.  I don't think they have many takers yet.  I was surprised.  I think the Video Tours are great.  I agree with some of the other posts on here, if the house doesn't have at lease a couple photos, most of the time I don't even bother looking at it (I am casually home shopping now).  With the ease and availability of digital photos how can you not have the following: an exterior, the kitchen, master bedroom, bathroom, family room.  Even if they look like trash, you will not be wasting people's time and you might attract a different type of buyer like an investor.
8:00am • #9
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Same issue here. We can have 12 photos but most of the time there are many fewer. Tours are much more rare, and with easy-to-use sites like Real Estate Shows, why not? Quality of photos is poor more often than good. There are some sellers of high end homes who do not want the insides of their homes paraded about the Internet...I suspect most of the time the issue of no tours or photos is laziness, however. Some homes, however, are better NOT seen in a tour. LOL

It's hard to understand, given that we all know buyers want to see photos, especially people who are moving from other areas. It's just part of providing information to consumers.

8:09am • #10

I agree with you Fred.  There are a lot of lazy agents out there who don't take the time to create good photos or creat virtual tours.  This year all of my listings are going to have great photos and a virtual tours. 

I like your signiture gif.

8:22am • #11
The company that I work for has made virtual tours so easy (automatic if you have uploaded the minimum amount pictures that it is silly not to use this feature.  It is also a selling feature as to why to use us over brand X.
9:07am • #12
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Fred,

That could be a great niche.  Find 5 people like the one you describe who want to buy a 2 million dollar home and you could have a great year.  You could then sell the videos to the listing agents and generate some extra money that way.

9:59am • #13

We do a lot of the virtual tours but as Fred said the distortion of the photos are not appealing. I really do not like to sit and watch a photo move in a circle and rarely finish a tour! But the question is are they effective?  Has anyone seen any actual sales statistics?  I isolated a market area and found 13% of the active listings had virtual tours, checking sales for  one year I found 12% of the closed listings had virtual tours.  I also think that at times virtual tours are ordered to appease a seller when what is really needed is a price reduction.

10:28am • #14
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If you're looking at a million dollar house... .or any house for that matter... online.....   and you see one exterior photo, one backyard photo and maybe one photo of the inside...  what is your take on that?  I would assume that the rest of the house does NOT show well, or is a dump and would be a 'turn off' to a potential buyer.  To me it's like you're hiding something.  As a buyer, why would I waste my time?  I'm going to make the assumption that you're hiding something - and I would not even waste my time.  There are WAY too many properties on the market right now.

With homes staying on the market longer than 4 minutes - for months at a time nowadays - don't you think it would be smart to discourage people that are NOT interested in a home from inconveniencing the seller, forcing them to clean up - again - and put the kids' toys away, disrupt their day, etc. - for someone who is completely unqualified and not interested?   And don't you think, after viewing a video tour, that IF someone does make a personal visit to the home, that this person is an extremely interested and a qualified buyer?

And... even forget the video tour..... you should have as many photographs as possible on a million dollar property - whether it's in a slideshow or whatever format.  Your job is to promote that listing in every way you can.  Period.

REALTORS still have this 'withholding' mentality as they did 10 years ago when buyers were forced to contact a REALTOR to see the MLS listings, to get ANY information on a property, to get an address....  everything.  You had to go through the secret REALTOR world to gain access.  I think that mentality is still there with many agents - "we'll give them a 'taste' of the property, but if they really want more info or want to see it, they have to CALL ME."   ME ME ME ME ME.

Those days are gone. But I guess that's why these houses have been on the market for a year... or more.

 

 

 

 

10:44am • #15
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I don't think the problem is laziness as much as it is "frugality" ;-)
10:46am • #16
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When you're looking at taking digital photos, frugality isn't an issue.  You can buy a fairly decent digital camera for a couple hundred bucks.  Everyone has a computer these days.  It costs no more to take 50 photos than it does to take 3.

Frugality?  No.  That's just laziness, pure and simple.

As far as Virtual Tours or Video Tours... yes, that may be frugality.  


11:02am • #17

As a real estate agent, I have to look at the return on my investment.  I think photos are important, so I spend time and money to make them look nice.  Virtural tours are $100 house and I think that's too cheap from the photographer's standpoint, but I haven't done many because I haven't seen much return.  I would however spend more on a higher priced home if I thought it would help sell the home.

What non-agents usually fail to realize is the costs associated with our business.  After dues to the state and associations plus dues to the Multiple Listing Service, we have to pay for advertising which isn't cheap.  These are all necessities before adding the niceties of virtural tours or video tours.  My wife doesn't understand why I don't have $100K to spend when that's what my 1099 says.  Like most other businesses, I also have to pay for office supplies, long distance, copies, computers, printers, Lockbox keys, software, training, continued education, vehical, gas, subscriptions, publications, ...you get the point.  Some agents may be just trying to save enough of that commission to pay rent.

11:05am • #18
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There are plently of sites available out there for free or for a little bit of money where agents can upload still photos, add a special zoom effect and presto - a virtual tour.

I think sellers expect them.  I think buyers expect them.  I also think that they allow people to see too much and disregard a home because they don't like one thing - the counters, the bath color, the wall paper.  A good agent can talk about these issues in the home and discuss how much it would cost to change or how they can ask the seller to do that before closing. I don't think all comsumers, viewing a tour in their pajamas know that. 

With that said, we do them for all our homes. Sherry

3:02pm • #19
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Fred,

My buyers won't bother to look if there are no photos in MLS...Virtual Tours are definite plus. I can't believe how many listings don't have them. 

 

4:30pm • #20
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Video tours (not virtual tours) can actually be done without spending too much money.  Since YouTube will host it for free and also allow you to upload to your website there are no hosting issues.  So take a video camera and walk through the house and neighborhood! It doesn't have to be the slickest video as long as people get the idea!
5:02pm • #21
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With so many prospects searching Realtor.com with the - Show Homes with Virtual Tours First - it is hard to understand why we would not want to use virtual tours. 

I continue to be amazed at how many $1,000,000+ properties don;t even have interior photos.

What a dissapointment -

7:31pm • #22
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Fred,

You should provide the link which shows one of your videos. The quality speaks for itself. Point2 doesn't even compare.

Sue 

8:05pm • #23
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I do virtual tours for all of my listings and the results are many-fold. One of the bennies is that it helps me get more listings since it's a great marketing tool for ME as well as the house.
8:23pm • #24
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Sue... there is a link (in the original post)... but here are some samples of real estate and community video tours.


8:25pm • #25
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01
2007
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Your work is excellent. Need a staging partner?

Sue 

8:06am • #26
I didn't see anyone mention if they use a tool like this when they go on a listing appointment. We've had agents get photos of just the exterior of a home in which they were going on a listing appointment for (with approval from the seller of course), and used those photos to create an example tour of the home to bring when meeting the sellers. We've had quite a few agents get the listing, because no one else offered this quality of a tour. Another benefit we found was, buyers liked having the tour to send to out of town relatives.
1:34pm • #27
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05
2007
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Great post.  I am also very impressed with your video and the way it was shot.  Do you mind me asking what program you use for the Video creation?  Very nice!
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Camera:  Sony HC3 High Definition Camcorder

Steadicam Merlin

Final Cut editing software

Sorenson Squeeze compressino software 

9:15am • #29

Well here is my two cents.  I have Virtual tours of all of my listings on my website.  I feel like others that a Video Tour would be something an out of state buyer would prefer and I wouldn't hesitate to add a Video Tour for a million dollar listing.  Although the MLS I use only allows a limited number of photos I posted links to a virtual tour on every one of my listings no matter where I market it online.  The virtual tours provided by VLS give the feel of a video tour with music and the panning of the flat medium.  My clients are pleased when they see the Virtual Tour of their properties and I have been getting referrals from them just showing their friends how I market their properites.  Anyone who is posting just a few photos of their listings when you need at least 7 for a decent Virtual Tour is marketing in the Stone Age.  Click on my link below at look at a virtual tour with the feel of a video tour.  Thanks! http://charlespeterson.point2agent.com/Listing/VirtualTour.ashx?listingid=924493

Charles Peterson

Charles Rutenberg Realty

 

12:14pm • #30
MAR
06
2007

Great insights here across the board.

Fred's point is simple - even if a Realtor feels a VIDEO virtual tour or a 360 VIRTUAL TOUR or an INTERACTIVE FLOORPLAN virtual tour is "frugally" out of range - it costs virtually nothing (a camera and some spare time) to take more than 1-2 pictures and post them for free in the local MLS. 

I've been a home-buyer myself, and have spoken to numerous home-buyers who search for a home in the following manner - (1) do a google search such as "nashville real estate" (2) of course, the first few links that pop up are for REALTOR.COM or the local MLS (note that most people are aware of www.realtor.com whereas many are not aware of the local MLS, so they may just go straight to www.realtor.com).  (3) They then list BY PHOTOS / VIRTUAL TOURS.  I have NEVER seen a person or heard of a person who DOES NOT LIST THEIR SEARCHES in any other manner.  So -- homes without pictures and/or virtual tours of some sort are NOT being viewed as often.

Which brings me to my second point - (and maybe the reason why more Realtors do not include more photos with their listings) - even those who have not read something such as the (now famous) NY Times Article on Real Estate Photography feel that its the lesser of two evils to have a few cheesy pictures posted as opposed to a lot of cheesy pictures?  Conversations I've had with a few Realtors support this theory.

However - it only makes sense that as, with any type of business, a Realtor must "spend money to make money".  Marketing is a huge part of this expense.  A virtual tour (video or otherwise) should not merely be embarked upon as a means to selling a single property, but as a means to market the Realtor.  I woulnd't dream of using a Realtor who posted only 1-2 pictures of a property and/or many pictures of a property that were of poor quality. 

It's equally amazing how many realtors still spend HUGE dollars on advertising in teh newspaper and print publications (who uses those to search for homes anymore?) but some of these same Realtors will NOT spend the money to hire a professional real estate photographer for their photos.   It's mind boggling.

Lee makes a sound point when he mentions all the different items he spends his hard earned commission on (and rightly so I'm sure) - but how much time and dollars is he spending on repeatedly driving to the property to show it to UNQUALIFIED buyers who WOULDN'T HAVE WASTED HIS TIME OR THEIRS had there been more (and higher quality) photos and/or a virtual tour of the property?

One final note - I've spoken to countless people who have moved from another state to the Nashville area and state that they began their home search online while living in their prior state - and ONLY looked at homes with NUMEROUS QUALITY PHOTOS and/or a VIRTUAL TOUR.  Other properties were never even examined.

It's no wonder some properties sit on the market for 4-8 months.

Thoughts?

Jason Bennett - Nashville Virtual Tours & Photography - http://www.nashvtp.com

Thoughts? 

8:13pm • #31
MAR
13
2007

I have been a virtual tour photographer/provider for the past 2.5 years.  An online slideshow, no matter if it has music, captions, and zooming, does not show one bit more of a house than the photo without all that stuff. The real value is that one of these slideshows can be attached to the listing in Realtor.com, which is a way to bypass the expense of becoming a Realtor.com enhanced agent (or whatever they call it now) that lets agents post more than one photo with their listing there.

A true panoramic virtual tour, and I'm not referring to those distorted 360 degree one shot lens types, shows an entire room or living area as though you (or your client) were standing at the entrance to the room, looking in. It's a sweep of the whole area, not just the fireplace, or the breakfast bar - it shows how the pieces all fit together into the whole. Two of my clients sold houses to people in other states just from the virtual tours I did for them. 

As someone here said, considering the cost of advertising in monthly magazines and newspapers, it hardly seems outrageous to spend $110-$150 on a true virtual tour that, on Realtor.com, will be there for the whole world to see for the LIFE OF THE LISTING. Putting the tour on your website is another plus, as is having the ability to download the tour to a CD for distribution. 

Guess I'm turning into a dinosaur, because to me, quality is paramount, and I'm not seeing much quality when I look at tours on Realtor.com. There are a LOT of slideshows, and some pretty crummy looking do it yourself tours by users of VisualTour.com. Here is a link to a tour I did recently - the house had been on the market for quite some time, and then it sold 5 weeks after posting the tour to Realtor.com - http://www.ubuildtours.com/tours/templates/flash_tour/tour2.php?pt=49821.  I use Ubuildtours.com because the tour viewer/template accommodates panoramas as well as zooming on the stillshots.

Doing a GOOD panoramic virtual tour is actually a lot of work, and I cannot see most Realtors being willing to take the time to learn how to do a quality job. I guess my question to all you Realtors is this: do you really care about the quality of the tour, or is it more important to be able to say you'll provide a virtual tour at the listing presentation, regardless of what it's going to look like? Guess I'm getting tired of trying to educate agents on the quality issue, and am considering quitting this business and going to get a regular job. Your comments/insights would be appreciated.

Tina Lindsay
5:53pm • #32
JUN
08
2007

I'd have to agree with you Fred. The days of throwing up a yard sign, and putting it on the MLS are nearing the end. Kinda funny when an agent gets a "stale" listing, but did nothing to feature the house digitally in some form online.

Educated, tech savoy buyers want, and expect more when shopping on the Internet. Realtors will learn the hard way that if they cannot captivate and wow a buyer online, then they simply will noit have any action on the listing.

The same clients are tired of the panoramic tours that stretch, and pull room sizes WAY beyond perspective, and make rooms look way out of proportion.

Even though video is new, it's here to stay. More and More SAVVY agents are waking up to video technology, and saying goodbye to yesterdays  technology.

11:40pm • #33
JUN
09
2007
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We have had a number of sales attributable to videos.  We just crossed a new threshold in our 6 months of business as a real estate video company however. 

Right now, we have buyers from the US (Michigan) and previously unknown to us that are spending two weeks lookng at properties in South America specifically as the result of our video tours that have been translated into English.  We are planning to post a video podcast with them in the next day or so about their experience when they ave some free time and not looking at properties.  We are providing all of their logistic coordination and some of their transltion support (they speak no spanish).

They told us that they would have never considered buying in South America had they not seen our videos in English.

Tony

2:50am • #34
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12
2007
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Fred, here in Pierce County Washington, many of the $1M+ homes do not have virtual tours, let alone video tours.  Personally my average list price is around $265,000 with the occasional foray into the $400,000 range.  I budget about 10% of the commission received for each listing to do marketing.  This more than covers the cost of virtual tours, etc.  I've even started doing my own video tours of homes.  Its a sad state of affairs when I do far more marketing for an "average" priced home with a ton of buyers than a "Luxury Specialist" does for their multi-million dollar listings.  I've already vowed that should I list anything above $500,000 I'm hiring a professional photographer and videographer to showcase these listings.  Thanks for all you do to contribute to the AR community, you make me a better agent!
1:42am • #35
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John:  find it VERY odd that $1M homes don't have virtual tours of SOME kind.  Blows me away.

However, after speaking to a number of agents, I think I have figured out their theories on the matter:

The real estate industry has lost their control gradually over the past decade.  15 years ago, other than searching your newspaper for blurry B & W pictures of houses and open house ads, you HAD to go to a realtor in order to see what was on the market.  As we all know now, that control has blown up in their faces - and now the cat's out of the bag and consumers have the control and the options of finding almost everything online - themselves - without a realtor.

In speaking with a number of agents regarding the lack of virtual tours and even the lack of more than a few photos for $1M+ houses, the typical rationale seems to be that by offering just a 'taste' of what the home looks like, the consumer will call the agent to make an appointment to see it in person.

What these people just don't get is that the consumer is eliminating their listing due to the lack of photos and virtual tours. There are a record number of properties on the market right now.  Gas prices are at an all time high.  People don't want to waste their time running around looking at homes that do not meet their basic requirements. And sellers don't want to waste their time cleaning up the house after the kids and dogs, sending them out to a friend, etc. for an endless stream of people who are not even remotely interested in their home!

I think it's also similar to these online dating sites. If people don't post their photo, the assumption is... they're UGLY, right?  People skip that person assuming they are a dog!  Why waste your time?

Well, if you have a $2M home and you post 3 photos, the assumption by consumers is that the inside is a DOG!  So what if the interior is from the 1950's???   If someone sees that on a video or through photos, and doesn't mind that - they'll check it out in person.  If that person doesn't want to deal with a dated interior, forcing them to set up an appointment and drive out to the property to find this out isn't going to change the fact that they DON"T want to deal with a dated interior - that won't change!

The days of 'forcing' consumers to contact a realtor 'to get more information' is OVER.  When realtors understand that, and start providing what CUSTOMERS want on their listings and their websites, they will be amazingly successful into the future.  Otherwise, I really do think they need to develop some new skills for their new profession..... because they won't be in real estate for very long.  Things will NEVER go back to the way they were.  

 

 

7:33am • #36

Hey, Fred. Great post! Your passion is showing (as well as a hint of cynicism)!!

Agents' reluctance to "reveal" anything in hopes of forcing buyers to contact them reminds me of a blunder our local MLS maqde a year or so ago - trying to force online consumers to sign up and pay for more than "cursory" access to listing info, including pix, available through agents' MLS-fed websites.  Wow, not only did consumers blow back, so did agents, who discovered they were the ones who had to pay for their clients and customers access!

The program died an ignominious death, after the MLS tried to spin the demise as a generous "gift" to the online marketplace.

You're right, there's no turning back.  And if you dare to turn forward, you see the video revolution moving relentlessly over the horizon...right at the industry!  For all the reasons you cite, consumers want immediate and detailed access to properties online...and as you and I know, professionally produced, full-motion video is the best way to provide it.

Keep it up!

Norvell Rose
www.rexnet.tv

 

 

9:38am • #37

Fred hits the nail on the head exactly.  As a real estate photographer / virtual tour provider in the Middle Tennessee marketplace, I can vouch that the conversations I've had with many Real Estate Agents leads me to the same conclusion - we'll provide them with just enough photos...at bare minimum acceptable quality...to get them excited enough to call us about the property.  Once we have them on the phone, our personal charm and charisma will win them over to us - they will either buy the listing they are inquiring about, OR more importantly they will buy some other listing from us.

Those days of course can now be relegated to the backseat, along with memories of Madonna and Michael Jackson producing hit songs.  It's history.

Technology always has a way of evolving to suite the needs of the consumer first.  Businesses that cater to consumers in turn adapt or become extinct.  Those businesses that adopt and adjust their approach to marketing, selling, and servicing their consumer base are the one's who survive and flourish, where in turn their 'slower-to-adapt' clientelle go the way of the dinasour and cassette player.  There have been countless books written on this very subject; perhaps one day the Sithsonian will have a exhibit of the 'Now Extinct Realtor Agent Who Refused to Spend As Much Money On Photos for Their $300K+ Listings As Your Average Joe Spends On Photos To Sell Their Used $10K Car on eBay'.

John - your approach towards allocating a 10% or so amount towards marketing each home makes sense, and is the same type of logic most of my client's embrace.  Likewise, as you pointed out, there are far too many $300K-$5M listings without anything other that a few 'barely acceptable' pictures listed in a MLS.  How the homeowners of these Realtor Agents accept this is beyond my understanding, particuarly considering the new data that appears online so frequently these days - househunts, as Fred pointed out, are not impressed.  If the pictures supplied are of poor quality and/or quantity, they skip right over the listing and move on to the next one.  Numerous blogs online support these facts.

Unfortunately, many Realtor Agents simply do not get it.  The $ spent on newspaper ads is ridiculous when compared to paying a professional to do a high quality video or picture / 360 virtual tour.  Nobody I know who has purchased a home (including my parents, who are approaching their 60's) during the last three years even looked in the newspaper for their house hunting needs, they all went online instead.  Furthermore, Realtor Agents will also fail to advertise these properties they listed in the newspaper for a lot of money on Craigslist.com, which is free and gets a ton of traffice - Craigslist has recently been sited as one of the top three places people visit to conduct their house hunting searches - far higher than what local newspapers are listed at.

I'm baffled.

Cheers,

Jason Bennett - Nashville Virtual Tours & Photography 

9:53am • #38

Fred,

What a great post!!!!   It still bewilders me that in todays INTERNET age, Real Estate Agents aren't taking more of an online presence.

I work out in Denver , and we have 2 VERY high end Real Estate Firms here (to remain unnamed). Between these 2 firms, they prob. get roughly 60-70% of all the business over the $1million dollar mark here in Colorado(one of the 2 was 2nd in sales last year only to remax). I went through both of their websites last week and tallied up all the virtual tours that they had between the 2, and the results were shocking!!!!  NOT EVEN 20% HAD A VIRTUAL TOUR OF ANY KIND!!!  There were  close to 2000 listings, and I came across only 3 video tours. I guess when an agent gets a high end listing, they feel like they are going to get "Field of Dreams" results----"IF YOU LIST IT, THEY WILL COME".

I have tried reluctantly for over a year now to get in to speak with managing brokers, agents, and marketing assistants with these companies, and always get the same response; "We not interested in video".....hmmmm.....

ARE YOU INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY SELLING THE HOUSE?  or do you take the listing to sit on it?

It's only a matter of time before people like you and I have more business then we can possibly handle.Fred, keep writing the blogs, and spreading the good word my man.

Eric 

11:38am • #39
JUN
14
2007

Hey, folks.

What a wonderful challenge - having more business than we can possibly handle!  Just gotta find that "go" button for agents and brokers.  I'm betting that the button lies with the sellers themselves - make them aware of the availability of high-end interactive video services, and they'll push/pull/drag their agents into the new-view age!

Norvell Rose
www.RexNet.tv

 

3:15pm • #40
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I work with many realtors already doing web marketing/ design, so I had a wide base of customers before I started a real estate video tour business.  When I first started out, I offered several of my better web customers a FREE video tour.  I offered all of my existing customers the first one for $99, roughly the cost of a spin around tour. Just so they could try it once.

With few exceptions, every realtor who has done ONE has done MANY.  Almost all.  Some do ALL of their listings.  Once they see that 1) it really, truly does SELL homes, and 2) it really DOES give you a HUGE edge on a listing appointment and 3) their potential customers RESPOND positively to it...    it's in the bag.  Pretty much a no brainer.  They just keep doing them for new listings.... 

But because so many "videos" (in the realtor's mind) are actually spin around tours, or glorified slide shows set to music, they really don't KNOW or truly UNDERSTAND what this is.  I literally have to SHOW them an example before they 'get it'. 

It's a slow process.  An education.  Eventually they'll figure it out. 

3:34pm • #41

Same with us, Fred.  We've even gone so far as to gather thousands of emails of local agents and send them vmails with a video vs virtual comparison, clickable with links.  Little response, even less recognition of the true value prop to them, their sellers and consumers.

I still believe that a "bottom up" strategy of alerting sellers and prompting them to ask their listing agents is a viable approach.  We're experimenting right now - we'll let you know.

NR
www.RexNet.tv

 

3:51pm • #42
JUN
26
2007

I am simply blown away and amazed by the number of real estate agents who are still trying to sell real estate the old school way.  I am putting my house up for sale, and the second agent I interviewed listed on his marketing plan, 24 bullet points about how he will sell my home, and one of his bullets was "no virtual tours to encourage visits".  Subsequent conversations with him showed me that he wants to "tease" buyers to get them to visit the home, but I'm sorry, the days of teasing people are over.  So, I pretty much scratched him off my list after that conversation, and found a more internet savy realtor.  The only problem with my new realtor is that she uses the ipix virtual tour, which is like that spinning little one shot camera!  I HATE THOSE.  Video tours are so much better, so I emailed her and asked her if she could look into a video tour, and even gave her the link of a local company that does them.  Guess what she told me?  "Oh, video tours are really only for HIGH END homes.  For your home,  I still like the current service I'm using."

OOPS!   So, I guess my question is, if she's the top producing agent in my area, and I like her and feel comfortable talking to her, is it worth straining our relationship (I Haven't signed the listing agreement yet though!) over what kind of tour she uses to sell my house online?

And, along those lines, if anyone can tell me, is it good, or bad, to work with a realtor that has 9 active listings at any given time?  I know I'm not going to get the personalized service that I would working with a smaller producing realtor, but she SELLS a lot of homes, and to me it seems like going with a leader is a good thing in today's competitive market!  Thoughts?   Feel free to email me if you don't feel comfortable posting publically. 

djrobsd
6:48pm • #43
JUN
27
2007
whoever wrote this last entry.....I'D LIKE TO SHAKE YOUR HAND!  WELL PUT!  There will always be a place for GOOD REALTOR but, Times change , and if the realtor does not, they too will become extinct.
12:16am • #44

Dear djrobsd,

What a great, and sorry, story!

As a REALTOR myself, I shouldn't really comment directly on the behavior of other REALTORS.  But I certainly can tell you what I'd do, as your agent.

Depending, of course, on the location, condition, presentability, price-point, etc. of your house, I'd use the most advanced techniques/tours to show buyers online the details of the home.  All the evidence, research, etc. shows that buyers want as much (visual) info as possible.  They don't fall for the "tease" or "contact me to learn more" stuff - especially not in a market where the number of homes for sale continues to grow.

Good luck!

Norvell Rose
www.RexNet.tv

 

12:09pm • #45
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Personally, I haven't found a local video tour provider that Ihad a good product and reasonable price.  But that's just my personal opinion and experience.

Here's my story: when I began working for my current company, 4 years ago, their original website consisted of 6 apartment complexes each with one page of information which was more like a brochure.  It often listed just ONE of the floorplans at the complex, had ONE photo, and only 2 of the pages had virtual tours (360 tour)--- and they were BAD: unattractive tour of gainesville apartments (click virtual tour to see the awful image).  I didn't think they looked good, and I didn't work to get us new ones.  We switched methods and now we have over 100 of the attractive virtual tour for gainesville rentals.

Cheaper and far better than our original 360 virtual tour, but yes: still a 360 tour.  We still haven't found a VIDEOGRAPHER that worked well for us, but we are open and hope that day will come. Gainesville is small.  Our local vendors are limited.

12:58pm • #46
130,211 Points Outside Blog
Down here on Florida's Gulf Coast, about half of the agents use virtual tours and clients LOVE THEM!!! It makes life a lot easier and is something we all need to do!
2:42pm • #47
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Aubrey....  those are NOT video tours, but 360 degree, warped, distorted VIRTUAL tours.  And that seems to be the problem.  It is NOT video.  Slideshows are NOT video.  

THIS is a video tour -  it's not the same thing AT ALL.

3:17pm • #48
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Okay, I edited my above comment after a few messages from VIDEO shooters that were aggressive, so that the comment is as clear as possible: we use 360 virtual, and have worked to improve them best we can.  Video people are not bad, we just haven't found one locally that works for us. ;) We're always open to new and improved ways of listing our properties.

3:42pm • #49
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Aggressive?  I'm not sure it's quite that bad  -LOL-, but they are confused so often that it's important to clarify the differences - and it's really considerable. People throw around the video term so often, and 90% of the time they are either referring to slideshows (most often) or spin tours.  
3:50pm • #50

Fred-

I wasn't actually referring to your comment. :)   And I bet they get confused and don't want to add to the confusion. No matter what a company chooses, I can't agree more that the user wants as much info as possible and we want the highest CLOSING RATE possible, so it's really necessary in this day and age.

For us, the other benefit is that we end up showing less units per potential customer, now that we have the tours on our site, which reduces our labor cost per unit.  Plus, they really like the visuals, and come in to see it in person (just to be sure). By the time they come in the door, they are at least partially sold already.  And we do many more leases (we are in leasing, not sales) via mail now, over what we did before the virtual (360) tours were added.

4:09pm • #51
SEP
21
2007

This thing has a ton of post.  So I will assume no one will get to mine so I am not going to be nice.

Pictures, Virtual Tours, Video Tours, MLS listings and Print publications are simply tools of marketing.

For someone to say well that doesn't really work for me and not in my area and it is a waste of money is simply ignorant.

Virtual Tours Don't Work? What does this mean? Oh I see the virtual tour did not sell the property for you and it did not do the paper work and did not do that and it did not do this. Are you saying that it did not create interest in your listing? Are you saying that it ran customers away? Where are you selling in Ethiopia? 

Unless you are putting up crap it is simply part of the marketing process. And it is cheap on top of that. But you are one of those agents taking one picture of the outside throwing up on the MLS and saying "Oh look at what a fine job I did" aren't you.

Most Real Estate agents have got to be some of the most uneducated or just plain stupid people I have ever met.

Marketing is like education. It never closes doors it only opens doors.

But like a bad education a bad marketing program can be worthless.

So, what is worthless in this case your marketing or your marketing education.

I would recommend all real estate agents to get educated on...

1. Sales: Have any of you heard the term needs analysis or better yet sales process?

2. Marketing... Buy a book on marketing real estate. Measure your success. Ask your clients what they used with out inputting your two cents so you can get accurate information. 

3. Your community... This is a no brainer, my god choose a field an area and specialize in it. 

The rant 

By Arthur 

 

 

Arthur
4:55pm • #52
SEP
24
2007

Ok, then.  Feel better now?

BTW - I am being nice.

9:27am • #53

 

So, Fred do you know anyone who you would recommend to shoot these videos?  Just kidding!  For any of you who read this I sent one of my videos that Fred shot to a luke warm buyer, they saw it and fell in love with the home.  I showed them the home and they put an offer in that week.  The home went under contract in less than two weeks.  These buyers needed to sell their home in order to buy this one.  Another Fred Video, and their home was under contract in another two weeks.  This all happened in July 2007. 

I can't give Fred all the credit, there was a creative Purchase and Sales which allowed these buyers and sellers to come together.  I may write about that Later, but these videos do work.  One of the nice things about them is the ability for the buyers to watch them over and over from the comfort of their own home.  I am convinced that one the buyer falls for the home, these videos reinforce their commitment to buy that home.  It is a great psychological advantage.

 

Dave Hall

Brin Realty,  Amherst NH 

 

 

 

2:24pm • #54
OCT
04
2007

Fred,

I agree that many listings do not have videos. I don't know if it is because the agents are lazy though. Video tours are a very new technology. The other virtual tours that are out there with the spinning photos stink.

I have also seen that there are many video tours being done by amateurs. This cannot help the reputation of video tours. It is so importnant that Realtors like myself hire professionals. Here in New York, a company called Diamond Home Videos is offering video tours and promises to use only professional videographers. The videos appear on Real Estate websites and I have been very happy with the results.

www.DiamondHomeVideos.com

I think it is important to use a tripod, a professional digital camcorder (not a consumer model). There are too many sites that allow anyone with a video camera to upload their videos. The message here is video tours are a great tool, but hire a professional and do not attempt to do it yourself!!!

Hector Gavilla
Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate
Melville, NY
www.HectorsHomes.com

8:33am • #55
OCT
05
2007
I do virtual tours for all my listings and take as many pictures as possible.  Thanks!
8:38am • #56
JAN
31
2008

I believe that every home should have a video tour, no matter the price.  The problem you run into with the lower cost homes (say 100k) is they typical owner is a younger couple who is very internet savvy.  Money is typically tight and they know how much they are paying a realtor to sell their home.  On that $100k home that know that $6000 is going to the realtor/company.  As an agent how can you justify to the internet savvy couple who is paying $6000 to sell their home that you cannot spend $100-$300 on a video tour?

Photo shows/visual tours are a joke, as a realtor why try to save money by doing your own tour?  Why not go out and make money by selling homes instead of wasting time to create a tour that is only going to make you look cheap? 

Realtors give the same argument to potential sellers all the time, they list all the reasons why a couple needs to choose a realtor and how they will protect them because they know the market and law.  As a realtor don't do your own tours, hire a professional.

Doing videos on all, or almost all listings really works, here are a few companies who do most of their listings:  http://www.cowanrealtors.com/

 http://www.ccrrealtors.com/

http://www.beegeerealty.com/bg/

http://www.straleyrealty.com/sra/ 

Look at the listings on those websites you will see the power that having tours on most listings can bring. 

Todd Kivimaki

Wow Video Tours 

Todd Kivimaki
5:15pm • #57
FEB
03
2008

Hi Fred:

I guess I'm a little confused over the terminology; people use the terms "virtual tour" and "visual tour" interchangeably.

When "virtual tours" first came out here in the Louisville, KY area, they were all done in as a 360.  I personally don't like them.  Unless the rooms are massive, I think they do a disservice.

What I'm wanting to learn more about is a true VIDEO tour.  I saw a couple of your examples and was most impressed, but you are not IN our marketplace.  How can we enlist YOUR help? 

I'm ready to go out and buy the RIGHT equipment.  Don't want to waste money on the wrong stuff.

Please write me back and/or feel free to call me.

Thanks! 

 

 

7:22am • #58
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Jacki/ Jerry:  I think VIRTUAL TOUR means one thing - you're touring a home 'virtually'...  as opposed to 'in reality'.  I think that could mean 360 degree tours, photos, video - anything that is not REAL.

But the terminology has been really muddied in the last year... people doing photo slideshows are calling it 'video', which it is not.  Zooming in and out on photos is still a photo - it's not full motion video.  That's why I always tell my clients to SHOW your sellers the video you will be producing - don't just 'say' you're doing a video tour, as most realtors say that - and in fact, they are doing a slideshow.

How can you enlist my help?  Well, you can fly me down and put me up and I'll do some tours for you!  LOL  (actually, people do that - I just got back from several days on the cape doing tours).  You can also check out WellcomeMat.com.  They have a videographer directory and you can probably find someone in your area. 

I get many calls and emails each week like yours, so I am also finishing up an instructional DVD on how to shoot real estate video tours.  It should be available within the next few weeks at the latest, if you want to try and do them yourself. 

Good luck!


9:24am • #59
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Fred -

...this shows that the Real Estate consumer is king - and most listings for most Realtors cannot bear the expense of a video tour: the cost of the equipment and software is too high and the learning curve too steep.

And I don't think it's laziness on the part of Realtors that keep them from taking pictures - it's probably because they feel like they might not capture the listing quite right.

We invite all Realtors to bring their on line marketing needs to Obeo - we have a tour we can fit to their listing and their budget and provide them a unique website for each home, statisitics that show the tour is working and a website where one million buyers visit each month.

Steve

 

10:29am • #60

Steve,

Please spare us your desperate attempts to peddle your outdated technology. I myself find it very funny that you are one of the only people who constantly seeks and searches out every post about real estate video, and voices your VERY UNINFORMED, IGNORANT opinions.

Maybe you can find better things to do with your time, than waste it here. 

Here's an idea:  figure out what you will be doing for a career in 2 years when no one wants to buy your outdated technology anymore.

10:46am • #61
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Eric,

How could anyone seek out every post on RE video and how could there only a "single person" commenting on the subject here at AR or in the greater bloggosphere. I have consistently stated RE video has a niche, and this blog post is a good example of how homes of a certain value, location or in a certain community may bear the cost of RE video.

Facts based in reality bring about great debate and the time spent debating facts is never wasted. Coming here keeps me informed and as anyone learns, they can't fairly be called lazy or ignorant.

For most homes in most places for most Realtors-the facts stand: RE video is  too expensive, too time consuming and too steep a learning curve to do DIY.

The high price of the equipment used to create tours is too prohibitive for most Realtors: Camera:  Sony HC3 High Definition Camcorder; Steadicam Merlin; Final Cut editing software; Sorenson Squeeze compressino software. 

You may want take a look at what Greg Swann had to write about Obeo - and keep an eye on Obeo as we are providing Realtors the tools to make them experts in the home ownership cycle.

Steve

 

 

11:37am • #62

I really don't believe that video is too expensive to do every home, video is just emerging into the real estate scene (and onto the internet) but once sellers demand a video for their listing, agents will have no choice to provide a video or they will simply not get any listings.

I know there are a lot of expenses as being a realtor, but most sellers do not realize this, what they do realize is how much they are paying their agent.  A house at only $100,000 is paying $6000 to sell their home, it will not be long until this homeowner is asking why can't you spend $100-$300 on a video when I am paying $6000 to sell my home

Steve your company produces nice 360 tours, but it won't be long until sellers do not want these anymore.  We are about the cheapest out there producing video tours, and even charge less then what you charge for a 360 tour.  Most of our agents can get all of their homes filmed for about $100 or less per month.

Todd Kivimaki

Wow Video Tours

1:13pm • #63

I really don't believe that video is too expensive to do every home, video is just emerging into the real estate scene (and onto the internet) but once sellers demand a video for their listing, agents will have no choice to provide a video or they will simply not get any listings.

I know there are a lot of expenses as being a realtor, but most sellers do not realize this, what they do realize is how much they are paying their agent.  A house at only $100,000 is paying $6000 to sell their home, it will not be long until this homeowner is asking why can't you spend $100-$300 on a video when I am paying $6000 to sell my home

Steve your company produces nice 360 tours, but it won't be long until sellers do not want these anymore.  We are about the cheapest out there producing video tours, and even charge less then what you charge for a 360 tour.  Most of our agents can get all of their homes filmed for about $100 or less per month.

Todd Kivimaki

Wow Video Tours

1:14pm • #64
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Todd, 

Consumers-Sellers, Buyers and Realtors vote with their dollars, and they have voted for photographic virtual tours as the leading on line marketing tool for real estate. There are millions of them-perhaps billion(s)-showing listings on line world wide.

And one million visitors a month to Obeo see homes listed there for sale.


Most sellers want to pay their Realtor less, so how does video fit in that equation for the Realtor and the Seller?

You may have a decent $100 video tour-just asking-are your tours really $100 a month?

We host our tours at Obeo for a flat fee for one year with our marketing program. Value added in this market for Realtors on more time.

-but what is your stated marketing program, your exports/syndication on the web, and what is the statistical reporting you have that shows the Realtor and the Seller that the video is working?

Obeo is more than 360 tours - we are the company of choice for Realtors that know results come from quality content, statistical reporting and effective aggregation and distribution of  their listings on the web.

We listen to what the RE consumers want and deliver - our traffic and market position show this.

That is a lot easier than trying to tell or assume what consumers don't want.

Steve 

 

 

 

1:43pm • #65

Steve,

 

I can understand why you would argue Obeo to the very end, no one believes in it more then you the creator (and you should).  Same with myself for our services, video is the natural progression, and there is not one advantage of an Obeo tour over a life-like video tour.  Look at YouTube and other huge video sites, there are no 360tube's or ObeoTubes.com

Yes our tours are $100/month, in most cases less.  We are turning more and more companies over to video tours.  It is going to be a timely process but we are prepared to take the time because I along with many other people on this thread know video is the future of real estate marketing.

We have been doing video for as long as any else out there and probably do just as much or more videos.  Steve you have the market right now and I applaud you for it.  If you would be interested I would like to talk with you about how Obeo can incorporate Wow Video Tours system of only charging $100 a month and making a nice profit off of it, so you do not lose the market when everyone changes over to video tours.

-Todd

todd@wowvideotours.com

3:49pm • #66
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Todd,

I really am enjoying the debate - this is what being in business is a large part of. Just so you know, I am not the creator of Obeo - you can learn more about Obeo at:

http://www.obeo.com/Public/CompanyInfo/Default.aspx

It seems logical that you are pointed at the very niche mentioned earlier-homes of a certain price or in a certain area might bear the cost of your video.

And so, it does not seem very likely that most homes sold by most Realtors in most markets can afford $1,200 dollars a year per listing - Please correct me if I am misunderstanding your pricing. In most markets you can get a ten or a dozen tours on line with Obeo for a year for your price of one tour.

Todd, the consumers have the market and they have chosen Obeo. They use us because we listen and deliver the products they want.

Thanks for the discussion, and your offer-right now we have a million (literally) visitors each month to take care of!

Steven Stearns

Obeo WI Consultant

Obeoman 

 

 

4:11pm • #67
Excuse me for getting in the middle of this kind of nasty debate, but what IS an OBEO?  I've never even HEARD of that before.  Is that a virtual tour?  Musical instrument?  You make it sound like it's common knowledge but I don't have a clue.
Melanie
4:29pm • #68

Steve,

What we offer is a membership of $100 per month, so $1200 per year unlimited video tours.  We feel as though every realtor should be able to afford this.  From what I see on your website the lowest you offer is $120 for only 4 scenes.  Say and agent does 2 houses a month, Obeo is now over double the cost of our tour.

We show the entire home, in an easy to watch video, not just 4 scenes.  Again I recognize you have the market but also how long have you been in the game?  I have been doing this for 4 years and I was in college for 2 of those.

I actually find that it is easier to get your customers to switch to our services because they all prefer our tours, and we are also cheaper.  When we are marketing to a new area I always look for Obeo and a couple of other names because our product is cheaper and better.

Steve can you honestly watch one of your tours then a video and say that your obeo tour does more for a listing?  I know you are not going to publicly say that a video does more for a house, but you may be thinking it.

-Todd
 

Todd Kivimaki
4:43pm • #69
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Todd,

 

Here's what gets me thinking:

-What is your stated marketing program?

-How do you measure the stickiness  of your tours?

-How many unique hits does your website get in a month?

Just give me some numbers to chew on....

Thanks,

 

Steve 

 

 

5:39pm • #70
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Melanie,

Thanks for asking! 

Obeo is the on line marketing solutions company for Realtors. We provide full service web marketing, virtual tours, interactive floor plans, and our StyleDesigner that lets you redecorate on  line!

We are in the USA and Cananda. OUR headquarters are in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Our website, www.obeo.com, gets 1 million unique visitors-home buyers-a month. We are the market leader.

You can call 1-800-729-6236 to find out more, or check out this link:

http://www.obeo.com/Public/CompanyInfo/Default.aspx

 

Best Regards,

Steve 

 

 

 

5:47pm • #71

All of our packages for each office is a custom package but I have not quoted a company more then $100 per realtor. Typically this is a little less

People love the tours, We never just sign one company in an area.  We will start with one but this spread because other agencies tell us they have to have our tours because everyone is demanding them

Houses receive anywhere from 75-500 views per month.

-Todd

 

Todd Kivimaki
5:52pm • #72
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Todd,

75-500 views a month is a pretty wide range. Is a "house" a tour?

 

-How do you measure the stickiness of the tours-how long someone stays watching a tour?

-How many unique hits does your website get in a month?

-What is your syndication/export plan and where do the tours get distributed to on the web?

 

Steve 

6:02pm • #73
Outside Blog

Fred,

Not to get your topic back on track and away from all this bickering or anything......

BUT, what software are you using for the sample embedded in your post above?  It says powered by welcome mat.  I like the looks of it.

 

 

10:00pm • #74
FEB
04
2008
AUG
25
2008

Good thread. I appreciate your promotion of video and videographers in real estate marketing. After all, it is your livelihood. That certainly is going to affect your viewpoint.

As a real estate marketer of over 15 years, I would like to give you mine regarding video. In my opinion, nothing beats video. However, I think you are being unrealistic to think agents will jump on the bandwagon any time soon. I don't think most are being lazy. I think they are working under limitations that you may not realize. Many of these are set by their sellers. Yours is not the ONLY marketing expense they have. MLS syndication is not a cheap business anymore. Board fees keep going up. Plus, an agent is expected to carry corporate websites, personal websites, syndicated websites, the big 5 listing search sites, supra keys, podcasting and more. They have to aggressively prospect both electronically and with print mail. They deal with lead-router systems, instant-contact text message referrals, and more. When they post a Sunday Open House, it is no longer a matter of a simple ad in the classified. It is manual-submission to almost a dozen open house websites. For ONE open house. If they are a producer, they have to deal with tons of technology. They are not the uneducated idiots you think... just because they don't use video.

I am employed in marketing. I do not do sales. But, I am amazed at the real estate law agents have to constantly keep up with. They have keep every nuance of a listing legal. When putting that listing out to dozens of sites, they have to maintain all that data to make sure listings are accurate. Not all sites are a basic IDX feed out of MLS. A simple room dimension not changed on one site can cost an agent their license and a sizable legal fee. Even with E & O insurance. Their job involves a lot more than visuals.

We have taken the work away for our agents regarding visuals. Every listing with our company has to have at least 6 photos to be listed. Most have 20-40. We have a professional photographer that shoots the stills - and, yes, stitches the dreaded scrolling virtual tour. Every listing gets a visual tour of some type be it virtual panoramic, slide show, or video.

Even as a large company, we do not use much video. Why? It is not because we do not want to. Most of your videographers replying to this site are from large metro areas like New York, South Florida, California, etc. Videographers may be plenty and cheap there. But not here. Here in the panhandle of Florida, they are commercial videographers requiring custom fees and a length of time from a weak to a month to edit, slice and dice, and prepare the finished product. Artists? Maybe. But that doesn't work for real estate professionals or their sellers.

We have our sellers breathing down our necks within 36 hours if our visuals are not feeding properly to every one of the 30+ sites we feed to. One broken link and they are on the phone.

If videographers want their product to become a staple in listings they will need to come up with a competitive package. And I mean package. Don't just view the video as the product within itself. It is wrapped in a package of other needs. An agent or broker will pay more than they will for the "unlimited virtual tours for X amount per month" to get the better quality IF your product/service comes in reasonable as a percentage of the realized income off that listing. That is business 101.

Then you will need to make that product available within a very short time. You are competing against a product I can do myself for the agents within 5 minutes. We can make a small virtual tour even before that agent goes to their listing appointment. We can have our visuals ready for a basic package upload within 1 hour after they leave a listing appointment. Our professional photographer can get to that seller within 36 hours. She will have dozens of photos and stitched tours to us the next day. 48 hours and we can have a fully visual listing online. You are going to have to work close to that to win real estate pros away from your "hated virtual tour". Can you do that? If you can do video economically and uber-fast, I welcome your response. Contact broker at www.era-american.com.

Oh, by the way, another thing that will need to be part of that video package is fast download time. We have a "stereotypical household PC" in our office to test internet viewing and downloads. Fred, your videos may be great, but I haven't had one download yet. Most viewers will not wait 3-5 minutes per video download when shopping. We in graphics get accustomed to our super PC drives and wide-band connections. That is still not the typical for the average home buyer.

Just felt some of the posters here needed to see both sides of the coin.

Deborah Holbrook, ERA American Realty of Northwest Florida, Inc.
6:44pm • #77
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Deborah:

I understand what you're saying - I've done internet marketing almost exclusively for realtors in the late '90s. so I'm also well aware of the demographic of my target audience.  

Obviously, every marketplace is different.  Broadband is required for video - it's not an option.  And even the slowest broadband connection doesn't really do video that well.

I can't speak for other areas or other videographers, but I can tell you here in the Boston area, the majority of users have broadband.  Actually, that's generally true throughout the country.  But I'm sure if you go to northern Maine, you'll find that's not the case.  Connection speed for most is not an issue. I have found however that realtors offices notoriously have the worst connections I've ever seen anywhere.  One of my best clients is in an office (one of 35 that the company has - not a small company!) and their connection speed was slower than dialup! (I tested it).  It took them four years to get it upgraded to something that was considered reasonable - unbelievable.  Agents were working mostly from home because their productivity was affected as everything was pathetically slow.  On a normal connection, it NEVER takes 3-5 minutes to download a video.  I'm guessing you don't know how to watch video online - you only need to let it begin to download, then press play and you can begin watching.  You don't have to wait for the entire thing to download!  I watched one of my videos this morning at a Panera on a shared wireless connection... on my iPhone....  and it took about 40 minutes to get enough of a download for it to smoothly play.

My videos range in price from $139-$300; $400 for houses over 5,000 sq ft.  I hardly think that's a large expense for a realtor listing a $400K++ house and the potential commission that comes from selling it  Yes, I am fully aware of all of the expenses realtors have.  They have expenses just as any other business person has. Realtors are in business for themselves.  So am I.  I have expenses as well  I don't see how having business expenses is an issue. All businesses have a cost associated with doing business!

They are available on the web, on the MLS and on Realtor.com and uploaded to 10-12 video sites - all within 24 hours.  At the very most 48 hours. I see agents all the time spending $300 and much more to place absolutely worthless ads in local newspapers and real estate magazines. Print is DEAD when it comes to real estate.  Even the LA Times figured it out - they recently canned their real estate section.  Realtors have limited funds for promotion - and the smart ones take those dollars and use them on the web where it's effective - not print.  I see ads on shopping carts that cost FAR more than that. I can't imagine how you justify shopping cart marketing...!  But there are tons of ads in the paper every single day that realtors are paying good money for.....

Video tours are not meant to be replacement for photos.  They are designed as an additional tool for viewing the home after one has viewed still photos. It is (and will) replace the 360 degree spin around "funhouse" tour which is yesterday's technology, with nice distorted and blurry views of a home from spinning in a circle.  I don't think you'll ever find a buyer who enjoys looking at property this way.  Video WILL replace those types of tours.  In fact, I've had three 360 degree tour companies call me just today inquiring about video - they are moving in that direction.  One was in Florida as a matter of fact!

Video is not only a wise investment because it helps sell homes, because it makes it more convenient for sellers by not having wasted, unqualified showings, it also benefits and showcases the realtor.  This is probably one of the BEST reasons to use video - it sets you apart from your competition, it wins you listings every single time, makes you stand out.  It's a win-win all the way around.  Probably 20% of my customers are sellers - THEY contact me.  THEY pay me.  And they give the video to their realtor to use - because they are completely dissatisfied with the marketing that their agent is doing for their property.

I receive about 10 calls a week from realtors and videographers wanting to get into real estate video, and the one thing I emphasize the most is that you will NEVER succeed as a videographer if you are charging $500++++ to do a video.  It just won't fly - in any market.  You need to determine a comfortable price point for your market, and develop a product that fits that price point.  I will openly admit I cut corners in many ways - in editing, in filming, in equipment.  My videos are not Hollywood blockbusters.  They will never win an Emmy award.  But they do succeed in the most important area - they are good enough.  That's what people expect - good enough.

If videographers are going to get into this business, that's the hard pill they have to swallow. It's not about 'creating art', it's about creating a product at a reasonable cost that will help sell a house.  Nothing more.

Those that do will be very busy.  I can tell you that I have as much business as I can handle right now - I'm busy every single day. I've never been busier in my life as I have been the last 8 months. I have never marketed myself to any realtor or office - ever.  Never done a mailing, never made a phone call - nothing.  In fact, my telephone number is unlisted!  All of my business is from my website and from referrals, and I get new customers every day that become regular customers - because video works!  I have many customers that use video for ALL of their listings.

Have you looked in the videographer directory for real estate videographers in your area?  I'm sure there are some that are reasonably priced and understand the turnaround times, etc.

 

 

 

 

8:21pm • #78
JUL
17

hi guys

i am working in florida jupiter just for a short while

i need a steadycam merlin but i haven't got a specific adress in the usa that's why i can't buy it from the internet

if anyone know there is any market or shop where it sells in florida please inform me about the adress to my e-mail adress

thank you

Ozgun
5:28pm • #79

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