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Inna, Say Hello To Chukcha

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Inna Hardison has written a beautiful post, or better say that she beautifully wrote about something that I disagree. I have to acknowledge that she writes so well, that there is always a danger that the skill overshadows the topic. It becomes a form of the art, and I think this is what we have in this situation.

The post is a masterpiece as long as you read it as fiction. Putting Putin and Sarah together is catchy. But in "Political Science Fiction" any name resemblance is a pure coincidence. And, of course, unintentional. It could be Joseph Stalin, Hitler, Henry the VIII, or Saddam Hussein...

"The haunting landscape of the city where I grew up, now deserted by its inhabitants is a stark reminder that God is rarely on the side of convictions alone."

Your invoking of God is a surprise for me. The sity where you grew up is not a deserted city. Better say it is not more deserted than Daytona Beach where I live. Drive Atlantic Ave. at 8 PM and count the lights in the condo buildings dotting the shoreline. 4-6 units with people in them in the whole building. On my garage floor some days my is the only car on the floor.

There is an obvious difference between an Arctic city, harsh as you show it, and warm and welcoming Florida city on the ocean. Here we call it "Market". Why are we invoking God and convictions in the Arctic? Old mines are closed, and they were supposed to be closed, newer mines are all operation. Transporting from the Arctic to the mainland is costly, and living in the Arctic just because you happened to be born there or got there with you parents moving there because of better pay, make little sense, so some left, many stay. I would call it "Market". Russia did not follow the market economy before, nor does it really follows it now, but Market is stronger than convictions, I agree. I, however, do not see G-d here the way you do.

Harsh climate and tough conditions, huge distances... all this makes working in the north really a challenge. People, who were executives in even a relatively small city where you lived, and who proved themselves there, were welcomed in other places of the country and got promoted to very important positions more than local executives because they were tested in the north and proved that they could stand the adversity, and were able to operate in a very challenging environment, where everything is 10 times more difficult because of the low temperatures, ferocious winds, where often metal was crumbling, permafrost, blizzards...

Sarah Palin proved herself in the North. And she is running a State, which is way bigger than even a huge by any standards Komi Republic.

I am not interested in HOW they were choosing the VP, this process has nothing to do with the quality of VP. Is the candidate not good just because of the way they were looking at her? Whether McCain, by Russian standards (and you are evoking Putin here, not me) had drunk a bucket of vodka with her, or never met her before, it does not really matter. Is it so difficult to look at the candidate, and not at how they came up with her? Who has stamped it on Joe Biden's forehead? Did I missed a blog about it?

Is Biden better just because you ever heard of him before? Have you, actually, ever heard of him before? Can I bet that you have the same knowledge about Joe Biden as Sarah Palin, and the only difference is your heart? 

By the way, there were no Chukchi in the town where you lived. There were Komi, Nenets. There were also Khanty and Mansi in the far south of Komi Republic, but sorry, not Chukchi. Chukchi live in the northeastern extremity of Asia. Its eastern end is at Cape Dezhnev near the village of Uelen. It is bordered by the Chukchi Sea to the north, the Bering Sea to the south, and the Bering Strait to the east (see Wikipedia).

I am not trying to catch you on the details. I enjoy your beautiful post about living in the Arctic, I really do. But "politically" you may be 5,000 miles away, at least that's how far you've ever been from the closest Chukcha.

So, say "Hello" to Chukcha. And Putin... What the heck?

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Jon ~

Congratulations this post is now featured in Silent Majority Group of Active Rain.

Sep 14, 2008 01:16 AM
Simon Conway
Orlando Area Real Estate Services - Orlando, FL

jon - you too write wonderfully well. There are many more inaccuracies in Inna's piece and I have pointed them out to her. You're a brave man sir!

Sep 14, 2008 02:25 AM
Trey Thurmond
BCR Realtors - College Station, TX
College Station , Texas Homes

Jon

Thanks so much for saying what I felt after reading her post.  Yes! she is so eloquent....but I never really found the point.....reminds me a little of Mr. Obama's speeches. For the sake of fairness I have listened to them, but still come out confused and in the dark when I take time to study them.

Sep 14, 2008 03:55 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Nicholas - thanks.

Simon - There is nothing that we can't look from a different angle. I was with the client yesterday. He sold his house in Seattle and got less than what he thought he could. So, he was not happy. Then he said that he paid way less and made a lot of money on the sale, so he was happy. the amount of money was the same, it was just the way he looked at it.

There is nothing we can do to avoid it. So, if Palin was a governor for 18 months, that's a disaster. She is not a pickle to be seasoned, whihc you can't eat for 2 of days until it gets the qualities. You do a lot of things in these 18 months (or any other period of time), and how you do that is important. So, if someone is dear to the heart of a liberal, he or she is dear to the heart of a liberal, period. It really does not matter that Obamam has no executive experience, and maybe there is no problem, but then her experience should be no problem.

However, here I hear the cries that "they use her" and the lady is so sad for the people of Alaska. What? So, when she is a governor of Alaska, it is OK. If she becomes a VP, she is "used". Hey, the president is also "used", and get paid for. The question is who is going to do the best job for the same pay?

And I got her idea, and I used geographic referrence as the indication of rushing with conclusions, which comes from the warm heart... sometimes bypassing the cool head. 

Sep 14, 2008 04:01 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Trey -  i do not think this is about points. We are pre-determined, and now exercise in target practice. This is all self-justification. We can't attack something that is good, so we make it look bad and then it is game.

Aim, shoot.

Sep 14, 2008 04:24 AM
Jennifer Monroe
Indigo Home Team powered by Compass - Charlotte, NC
Real Estate REALTORĀ®/Broker/Designer

Palin is running a state that is less than 1/5th the size of Chicago! The rest is just land. And the last time I looked, it knew exactly what to do without being instructed by a woman who can't even tell the truth!

Hi Inna :)

Sep 14, 2008 01:35 PM
Jennifer Monroe
Indigo Home Team powered by Compass - Charlotte, NC
Real Estate REALTORĀ®/Broker/Designer

Oh, there you are... almost missed you

Hi Simon :)

Sep 14, 2008 01:35 PM
Jon Hardison
Hardison & Associates, LLC - Palm Coast, FL

Hi, Inna is not here at the moment, but she can be found on her own blog, where surprising some of these discussion could be taken place but aren't.

Hi Bukaty! Heard so much about you...:-)

Sep 14, 2008 02:42 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Jennifer - we all have the same approach, until you get to the north and live there, and understand what it really means, it is all simple math. North makes it algebra.

I lived in a small Arctic city for 14 years, and then I lived in Moscow, which is huge by any standard. Of course, it is very different, but you can't compare whole Chicago plus New York and plus any other monster city to one small (your description) Alaska.

But then, again, this is not the point. Nobody is a ready President and nobody is a ready VP. We are looking for people who could do it, and saying that inexperienced Obama is better for the President than inexperienced Palin for the VP holds no water for me.

Sep 14, 2008 02:46 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Jon,

Are you trying to make mistake number one on AR? Meaning hijacking?

If you missed it, I have a link to Inna's post right on the first line.

Sep 14, 2008 02:51 PM
Jon Hardison
Hardison & Associates, LLC - Palm Coast, FL

Hi Jon.  Jon here.  :^)

Actually I was under the impression that hijacking was an AR artform.  In fact, there are groups for it.

But I do understand how this could be an issue, so I'll not poop-step again.

Jon-

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Jon- I think Putin would rather deal with obama than McCain, Inna is way off base on this one.

Sep 15, 2008 12:12 PM
Jennifer Monroe
Indigo Home Team powered by Compass - Charlotte, NC
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Me either Jon. It's not so much the experience issue as the character issue. She lies and it offends me. She's snarky and it offends me. She doesn't demonstrate the qualities I would like to have representing us to the world. Her temperament is suspect. I just don't have confidence in her. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, I think she's kind of hot :)

Sep 15, 2008 12:47 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Larry - You are correct. Russian media is very against McCain. And they are very favourable to Obama. And they are not shy why. You can't count them as really democratic, but you can count them politically pragmatic, and that's why they do not like McCain and prefer Obama.

No surprise here.

Sep 15, 2008 02:27 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Jennifer -  Did you feel the same way with Bill? He is a liar, a pathalogical one. Actually Hillary is also a liar. I remember her "the right-wing conspiracy" just a few days prior to Bill's acknowldging the Monica Lewinsky. I was expecting the lion taking him apart, but no, it was like nothing ever happened. A very politically stabl e family.

Of course, she (Hillary) is a great pragmatic.

As for Palin, I first heard of her when McCain announced her, I just did not like witch hunt, a very primitive witch hunt, and I did not like it that much. Not that I want to embellish, I just feel that we can jumo on any person and would do it not because of them, but because we would not accept the "enemy".

Sep 15, 2008 02:40 PM
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Ed LeFevre (Curious Sort)

on, you've persuaded me that you have it all figured out, but also that you have never taken the time to examine how you "know what you know"...... If you have, you wouldn't be wasting your time on this....

I quote Jamws Carroll, and he referred to Upton Sinclair and to Sinclair Lewis. James Carroll is a former Catholic priest, a Boston Globe columnist, and the son of the first director of DIA, the US Department of Defense Intelligence agency which dwarfs the CIA and it's annual budget. Read Carroll's words, are they any less accurate of compelling than yours are?

The peril of valuing celebrity over history - The Boston Globe

"The shallowness of contemporary public discourse, devoid of history, is everywhere visible -- from the "eternal now" of celebrity journalism to the absurdity of an "antiwar" rhetoric that assumes, in fact, a permanent US war machine in Iraq. In the emerging Democratic consensus, forged by Congressional leaders and presidential front-runners, supposedly in opposition to Bush's war, "out now" is becoming "out when conditions permit" -- which is, of course, Bush's exact position. Such conditions will never come; therefore -- Garrison Forever.

Yet, speaking of history, this conjuring of the appearance of opposition where none actually exists has been mandated by the American political system since the onset of the Cold War. The quadrennial political puppet show, highlighting not opposition but its appearance, is essential to keeping the captive-taking war machine running and to inoculating the American people from the viral knowledge that they themselves were first to be captured.

A minimal acquaintance with history, including dissections of American culture already performed by both Sinclairs, would undermine our national complacency. Upton Sinclair, for example, showed the rapaciousness of capitalism, the vampire-like appetite with which it feeds on the blood of human beings. Even with "reforms" ("The Jungle" led to the establishment of the Food and Drug Administration), the profit-worshipping economy to this day eludes controls that would protect majorities of citizens in this country and across the world. Sinclair Lewis, for his part, showed how the simultaneously banalizing methods of capitalist enterprise (false advertising, consumerism, pieties of affluence, amoral bureaucracy) are exactly what that enterprise created to keep from being criticized."

His reference to "rapaciosness" has to do with Upton Sinclairs' seminal work, the book "Jungle", which was the expose of the Chicago meatpacking industry which resulted in the creation of the FDA....Sinclair won the Nobel prize for his work. In California in 1934, Upton Sinclair won the democratic primary in the governor's race. This is waht happened next:

(THINK!!!, Jon....the following is a description of what "KICKED IN", in reaction to an actual campaign for REAL change that was gaining ground with voters. It is ludicrous to expect change to come from the Election of either tht McCain or Obama tucket....look at the difference in the reaction, in 1934, to Upton Sinclair's candidacy, to today....there is no reaction to McCain or Obama....because they are both irrelevant empty sutis, placed in tghe limelight to substtute for any potential for "change".....Do you really beliece the folks who have the most power and wealth now, are for "change"? Consider what they did in reaction to Upton Sinclair......)

Are you part of the "camp" who believe the news media is "liberal"? Think about it...who owns the corporate media? Do you think GE's NBC and Sumner Redstone's CBS, or any of the US newspapers would truly tolerate a "liberal" bias? Is it possible that they control what is reported, more by omission, than by a particular slant? Have you ever read the details of this 1934 campaign? Read them, an eyeopener:

When 'Mad Men' In Media Took Control of Political Campaigns
Upton Sinclair is back, thanks to 'There Will Be Blood' movie ties. But in 1934 his race for governor gave birth to the modern media-based political campaign.

By Greg Mitchell

January 11, 2008) -- It's good to see Upton Sinclair back in the news again amid the raves (which I don't quite share) for the new film "There Will Be Blood," very loosely based on his 1927 novel "Oil!" Even though Sinclair earned a nod in many of the articles and reviews of the film, which stars Daniel Day-Lewis, few have commented on the original source material..

..On Aug. 28, 1934, Sinclair swept the Democratic primary for governor and all hell broke loose across the state, then across the continent. On the day after, the Los Angeles Times, under Harry Chandler, denounced Sinclair's "maggot-like horde" of supporters, and the Hearst press was no kinder. The movie studios threatened to move back east if Sinclair took office.

Sinclair, author of "The Jungle" and dozens of other muckraking books, led a grassroots movement called EPIC (End Poverty in California). His friend H.L. Mencken explained in a column, "Upton Sinclair has been swallowing quack cures for all the sorrows of mankind since the turn of the century, is at it again in California, and on such a scale that the whole country is attracted by the spectacle."..

The prospect of a socialist governing the nation's most volatile state sparked nothing less than a revolution in American politics. With an assist from Hollywood -- and leading newspapers -- Sinclair's opponents virtually invented the modern media campaign. It marked a stunning advance in the art of public relations, "in which advertising men now believed they could sell or destroy political candidates as they sold one brand of soap and defamed its competitor," Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. later observed.

The 1934 governor's race, in short, showed the candidates the way from the smoke-filled room to Madison Avenue, from the party boss to the "spin doctor." Media experts, making unprecedented use of film, radio, newspapers, direct mail, opinion polls, and national fundraising, devised the most astonishing smear campaign ever. "Many American campaigns have been distinguished by dirty tactics," columnist Heywood Broun commented, "but I can think of none in which willful fraud has been so brazenly practiced." (See
link at bottom for video on the campaign.)

The political innovation that produced the strongest impact was the manipulation of moving pictures. MGM's Louis B. Mayer and Irving Thalberg produced fake newsreels, using Hollywood actors. W.R. Hearst helped distribute them. For the first time, the screen was used to demolish a candidate, a precursor of political attack ads on television.

No institution dishonored itself quite like the California press. One anecdote that illustrates this: In October that year, The

New York Times' star reporter Turner Catledge (later top editor of the paper) came to California. Naturally, he hooked up with the Los Angeles Times' political editor Kyle Palmer, who pretty much selected the state's chief executive every four years -- hence his nickname, "The Little Governor."Decades before the press combed through Barack Obama's books and Mike Huckabee's old sermons, the L.A. Times printed out-of-
context excerpts from Sinclair's many books on its front page every single day. Palmer was also advising and even writing speeches for Sinclair's opponent. Over dinner, Catledge asked Palmer why the paper refused to be fair and balanced.
"Turner, forget it,"

Palmer replied. "We don't go in for that kind of crap that you have back in New York, of being obliged to print both sides. We're going to beat this son of a bitch Sinclair any way we can. We're going to kill him."


.Sinclair's huge lead evaporated -- especially after those fake newsreels hit the screen -- and Gov. Frank Merriam won re-election. Kyle Palmer continued to rule California politics for decades. And today, "media politics" still dominates most elections."

Jon, above is an account of the reaction to the last time an election portened the possibility of actual change, and nothing like that is unleashed in reaction to Obama or McCain. I am showiing you, if you'll open up to consider it, that it makes no difference if the winner is Obama or McCain....none to get worked up about to the levcl you seem to.....


Consider the following, it is referred to as "the Mighty Wurlitzer, and Operation Mockingbird....

The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America - Hugh Wilford ...

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Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 ....to make certain that no real change emerges from a major American political campaing, again!

 

 

Sep 16, 2008 05:38 AM
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