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White House Appraised Value? I wonder how it is faring in this market?

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Real Estate Appraiser with Lanier Appraisal Service CR004373

As a real estate appraiser, it is front and center just how severe the housing crisis is today. The Realtors here on AR know this all too well.

With a new president in the White House, the photos of the White House this morning when it was snowing and news about the housing crisis; being able to buy houses for the same price as a car, it got me to thinking....I wonder how the White House would fare if it was appraised TODAY.

I would love that assignment. I wonder if the White House has ever been appraised? Getting comps for this one would be a real challenge. Although I have seem some stately homes on acreage with huge pillars in front right here in the Atlanta Area, but somehow I think there would have to be a huge LOCATION adjustment.

Maybe I would go to other countries and use those Rulers residences as comparables, BUT when did they sell last? Certainly not in the past 3-6 months which the lenders require us to stay within when using comparables. Well maybe there are some listed for sale? NOT LIKELY! Of course someone buying this piece of real estate would likely pay CASH...No jumbo loan would cut it for this house!

The home was built in 1800 but renovated at least every time a new president took occupancy. Depreciation adjustment? Well of couse we have to look at its effective age, not its actual age. Cost approach to value would be an interesting development, but then the home is so old, maybe we can just say the cost approach is really not applicable in this case.

HOWEVER, this may be the only approach we can use given the lack of comparable sales. Use cost minus depreciation, plus land value and interior/exterior improvements and you have the value for the White House....or DO YOU? How about historic value, well now you have to look at popular historic places that have sold to see how much historic value is worth? Would it be comparable to an Entertainment Moguls residence in Historic value? Maybe Donald Trumps house could be used as a comp? That one sold in the past year I do believe.

Who really owns the White House, WE DO, the taxpaying public!

How many acres are we talking about? "The White House sits on an 18-acre plot of land that, together with the Ellipse to the south (52 acres total), is called "President's Park." - The White House Museum

What if things went to hell in a hand basket and we had to sell the White House....Let's just hope that would never happen. Since WE the People own this property, we would all have to give our consent and you know that will never happen as we would NEVER have a 100% consensus of the hundreds of millions living here in the USA.

Well that is my fun, yet thought provoking thought for the day, would love to hear your input! Long live the White House and may it never decrease in value like so many other homes have.

 

Have a great week everyone!

 Mary Thompson

North Georgia Real Estate Examiner

 Real Estate Appraiser

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Comments(20)

Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

I saw Mrs. Obama yesterday with the kids -- she explained that there is a bowling alley, theater, candy making shop, swimming pool, and other attractions -- so I think that would also have to be taken into consideration.  Since we all own a piece -- if it has to be sold -- how much would each person get in proceeds?

Feb 04, 2009 01:12 AM
Mary Kent
Five Star Real Estate - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids to the Lake Shore

Mary-Now you have me wondering too! Joan makes a good point with all the extras that the White House offers. I trust appraising could be a little challenging! Best to you in 2009!

Feb 04, 2009 01:26 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

Hi Mary,  I like this post.  It's interesting for sure.I curiouse as Joan is above, as to how much would each person get from the proceeds if it was sold?

Ha

 

Portsmouth NH Real Estate

Feb 04, 2009 01:32 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

I saw that same newscast about all the amenities they have on the interior of the home, not to mention all the exterior landscaping improvments, pool, etc. You betcha all these things are taken into consideration.

As to the split on the proceeds, my calculator does not show that many zeros to figure that one out...LOL....But I would have to say it has to be an equal split because legnth of ownership cannot come into play, only that you do indeed own it. If the warranty deed shows equal ownership but that is another post all together....LOL

Now if you are a tax evader and we have many of those people (some recent revelations...LOL) you are out of the split!...

Enjoy, love the comments and thoughts!

Mary

 

Feb 04, 2009 01:44 AM
David Hintz
Accurate Appraisals & Consulting of AZ - Maricopa, AZ
AZAppraiser

I for one would not accept that assignment.  Disregarding the fact it would have to be appraised as a Historical Property, as you stated we all have a partial ownership (or vested interest) which would be a violation of USPAP to appraise it.

Now having partial ownership would also indicate the current and past occupants were more or less tenants.  Thereby entitling all of us to rental income (or loss) and/or rental expenses.  Given the current deficeit I would also conclude the property is most likely upside-down, or under-water, whichever term you prefer to use.

Therefore a 1031 exchange would not be practical, nor would a short sale, so I propose to let it go into foreclosure, have the Sheriff evict the tenants, and repurchase it (as is) when it is listed as an REO.  :)

 

Feb 04, 2009 02:59 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

David: Now that is the kind of discussion I was looking for. I was laughing my you know what off reading your comments. I love thinking way outside the box, don't you?

But let's take this further, lets just say this is a hypothetical condition appraisal and we have notified the intended user/sthat our appraisal departs from USPAP.

Another issue to think about...since we all have partial ownership interest in this property then by rights we also must be able to enjoy the property and all it has to offer right? So we need to notify the White House that we will be enjoying the property whenever we want.

Since the 1031 exchange would not be an option with negative equity, then I guess for those in the retirment age group that qualify a reverse mortgage insured by FHA is out of the question. Of course this house is way past the typical FHA limit for a loan, even if it has declined in value, but that point is moot.

So if the home goes into foreclosure, it will likely qualify for a BAILOUT plan, a re modification of the existing loan. Of course I am sure the White House does not have a loan on it...

Since we do have about a trillion in deficit lined up with the TARP plan I am sure the White House has been offered up as collateral for some of that debt....but if it keeps declining in value, that collateral is not worth much....LOL. 

Let's let Obama decide if the White House gets bail out money or if it just has to be sold on the COURTHOUSE steps......Since he is the current tenant, we know how that decision is going to go..

Thanks for the fun David!

 

 

Feb 04, 2009 04:51 AM
David Hintz
Accurate Appraisals & Consulting of AZ - Maricopa, AZ
AZAppraiser

Well Mary  -  Thinking way outside the box only takes place for me when someone cranks that little handle on the side of my box, and plays that "Around the Mulberry Bush" toon for the top to pop open, which allows me to pop out and scare the crapes out of everyone.  Letting Obama decide between bailout money or auction on the Courthouse steps creates a dilema. 

First of all, would that auction take place on the Surpreme Court steps due to the Historical nature of the property and/or its location?  HHmmm!! 

Anyway, being a TENANT, he would not have any say in the matter, same as any other property tenant.  As taxpayer property owners, we would not qualify for any bailout funds since we would be bailing out ourselves. 

Second, the American Taxpayers are lousy Landlords to begin with.  Congress has to approve any bailouts, and Congress oversees what goes on at the White House, making them our Property Management Company.  So a bailout would not happen.

Third, if the property went into foreclosure, Obama would not have to move out due to the recent ruling of Fannie Mae allowing tenants to remain the occupants of a foreclosed property until such property is sold.  Which in this case, and with the market conditions, could easily take four years before even being listed let alone getting an offer.

POP! goes the Appraiser!!!!!!!!

 

Feb 04, 2009 12:45 PM
Michael Regan
Deerfield Beach Appraisers - Deerfield Beach, FL

No doubt if it sold it would be a short sales. I wouldn't want to be the appraiser. I've got enough headaches appraising in this market. lol

Feb 04, 2009 01:42 PM
Mike Lay
Appraisal House Texas - Austin, TX

Of course, Zillow is already on the ball, with an estimate just as accurate of most of theirs, at least in my area -- a range of $144M to $408M. 

http://www.zillowblog.com/what-is-the-white-house-worth/2009/01/

 

Feb 04, 2009 02:47 PM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Mike, thanks for that article. I googled white house appraised value, etc before I wrote this one to see if anyone tackled this subject before and did not find Zillow's Zestimate. Zillow here in Georgia is hit and miss, but it was a great read with alot of interesting commentary.

David: Once again you make me laugh out loud...Thanks for that! This was a fun excercise. I may just repost with all of your commentary. Anyone else out there who has not commented feel free as I will be adding the links to your AR profile as part of the post.

Feb 05, 2009 12:33 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

Excellent idea - I say we all do a desktop appraisal and submit our answers here ;-) ... oh right... and we should all disclose our 'interest' in the property per David's comment -

Feb 05, 2009 08:52 AM
Mary Thompson
Lanier Appraisal Service - Flowery Branch, GA
Lake Lanier Appraiser in North Georgia

Sara:

Too funny, Okay let's get some desk top reports!

I say we do a "Drive-By" appraisal. Let's call Obama tell him we are doing a "Drive By" and watch security run out ready to shoot.....Our defninition of Drive By is quite different from everybody elses! LOL

 

Feb 05, 2009 11:38 PM
Connie Goodrich
Keller Williams Realty - McKinney, TX
CRS ABR (McKinney Realtor)Texas

I think I would rather read a report then actually be responsible for one.  Now we have a celebrity in the White House, does that bring value as well? 

Feb 07, 2009 01:06 AM
Everard Korthals
---Preferred Lifestyle Advisors--- - Lancaster, PA
Mountain Realty

White House is Appraised at about 309 million making it the most lucrative property in the United States. Source (CNN News)

This is a similar Zestimate made in early 2009 by Zillow. Value - 300,111,000$. Source

Since that zestimate, the value has increased and is now slated at 308,058,000. Source

This is a rather large increase from a previous estimate by housevalues realtors who in 2004 appraised it at only 106 million. Source

Feb 07, 2009 08:41 AM
David Hintz
Accurate Appraisals & Consulting of AZ - Maricopa, AZ
AZAppraiser

Mary  -  A more definate SOW needs to be established before accepting any assignment.

Sara does have a good idea with the DeskTop proposal.  Oh wait!  Aren't they being outsourced over seas as with Reviews - like India or someplace?  Oh well!

I'll have to pass on the Drive-By, although I do have tinted windows.  However, it is difficult to get the shots (photos that is) with the front end of the vehicle bouncing up and down, and I get altitude sickness when in a low-rider.

We may want to reconsider FHA. with Fannie Mae dropping some credit-score requirements, reducing income-documentation standards and waiving the need for appraisals in some cases...  because Fannie Mae will likely use automated models to check home values listed on applications before offering to waive appraisals - per Ann O'Rourke, FHA may make an acception due to the nature of the property.

Now if they do, we may want to consider a 203K for remodeling and fix-up expenses.  With all the non-permitted additions mentioned earlier to the original structure, the amount can be determined with a cost-to-cure adjustment in the grid, or the REO Addendum.

And don't forget the 1004MC.  I know Connie stated she would rather read the report, but we all know nobody reads reports, thus the requirement for the additional form.

Whew!!  That is a lot of work to do for the $125.00 to $150.00 that AMCs want to pay, and I'm getting too old to meet their 24 hour turn times, so I say screw it!  Let's just get a local agent to do a BPO and go have a beer. :)

 

Feb 09, 2009 01:27 AM
Anonymous
Mary Thompson

David:

Thanks again for a huge laugh on a Monday morning as I am completing 2 enhanced retrospective reviews......uuuhhggg!

I could not agree more with you and since the new HVCC compliance date is fast approaching, May 1, 2009 and it no longer allows COD's we need to get this White House Appraisal done ASAP because our FULL fee of several thousand dollars for this exhausting report has got to be a COD!!

I hear you on the fact that they never read our detailed explanations and I am so looking forward to providing yet another form for them 1004MC that we cannot charge more for. Plus the fact that we provide 5-6 comps now, not the usual 3-4.

FHA appraisals here we come. This is so crazy.... are we not headed for the same disaster we are in today due to relaxed Fannie Mae guidelines on loans.....oh what the heck whats another trillion dollars in debt we have so much more where that came from.......

Cheers to the BEER back at you David!

 

 

Feb 09, 2009 03:46 AM
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Michael Zollo
Coral Springs, FL
Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida, FH

I would be careful using the term Drive-By and White-house in the same sentence. You might be getting a knock on your front door, from the Secret Service! Don't forget, we need 3 comparables that closed with in the past 90 days, and are less than a mile away.

Feb 11, 2009 10:54 AM
David Hintz
Accurate Appraisals & Consulting of AZ - Maricopa, AZ
AZAppraiser

Don't forget 3 Active Listings also, and the values for 30 day "as is", 30 day "as repaired", 90 day "as is", and 90 day "as repaired" on the REO Addendum.  I would also include a 216 and 1007.

As for the SS at the front door,  free publicity on the National level may help business!!! :)

Feb 11, 2009 11:41 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

David: Oh yes I plan to bring along a few TV reporters to record the entire appraisal process. They may learn something....:)  I will have them on the other end of that tape measure for sure!

As for photos, I think I will commissionExecutive One (Not Marine Oneunless I can get Obama on board) to fly me over the property to get some really nice aerial photos of this grand estate and to make sure that I include all 4 sides in my photos. LOL  Airforce One is just too big for a fly by! 

216 and 1007 Oh how I would love to figure the floor covering replacement alone in that house! I am thinking this fee of a few thousand is too LOW!!!

Of course they will want a review of my report as well as a second, third, fourth and fifth opinion on this deal. They are going to want at least 3 more sales even if the reviewer AGREES with my opinion of value, because you know they just cannot believe we are doing our job properly if we happen to AGREE with the first appraisal!

I just had a request last night that made me want to come thru the phone and slap someone. They wanted 3 more sales just to have them. Even if the sales were not comparable I should grid them out anyway and then just make a notation that these sales were given no weight in the report.  WHAT??? They are crazy!

I told her that was absolutely ridiculous and that if I am forced to comply, I will CYA myself all over that report and advise that this request makes no sense and was done only at the insistence of the lender and the appraiser does not agree with this action AND was advised that if I did not comply they would not pay me!  I need to sue!

It makes no sense to add sales that are not comparable only to give them no weight in the report. This is where we are headed....apprasiers had little respect before this mess, NOW they have zero respect. Why am I still here.....

I need that BEER again Dave! Thanks for letting me vent and have fun with this!

Feb 12, 2009 05:29 AM
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Anonymous
Mary Thompson

Michael: I hear you! Hey don't forget they have to be similar in GLA, room count and quality!! HA!

Mary T.

Feb 12, 2009 05:32 AM
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