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What's My Price Range Another Stupid Question

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What's My Price Range Another Stupid Question. I originally wrote this back in February of 2008 see: How Much Can I Afford / A Stupid Question I've brought it back because of an a very good series by my friend George Soto: First Time Homebuyer Seminar .............. Basic Openning Questions , First Time Homebuyer Seminars ................ Pre-Approval Process, First Time Homebuyer Seminars .............. Choosing A Realtor  and First Time Homebuyer Seminars .............. Shpping For A House

I'd have said it differently, but I agree it's good information. I have a problem though with the idea that a Loan Originator gives you a "Price Range"

You've reached that point in your life, somewhere between 18 and death, that you want a home of your own.

You locate a REALTOR® or better yet a Loan Originator and make your first mistake. You ask "how much can I afford?"

This is possibly the second most asked question in real estate, the first is "what's the rate?" How would your REALTOR® or Loan Originator know what you can afford? The Loan Originator can determine what you qualify for, but that has little relevance to what you can afford!

As you read about the mortgage crisis keep in mind except for the minority involving fraud each of those home owners had qualified for the loan! Qualifying and affording are not the same! Often not even close!

Only you, the home buyer can decided what you can afford. If your current rent is say $1,350.00 and you pay all the utilities you can probably afford close to that $1,350 each month. But, as the home owner you will now have to deal with maintenance expenses that the current owner takes care of. If each month you are able to save another $1,000.00 you might be able to afford as much as $2,350.00 per month.

If on the other hand you ask your REALTOR® or Loan Originator what do I qualify for, they will look at your gross income and apply a factor dictated by the loan program of 28%, 33%, 45%, 50%, or more. This may mean that you can get the loan, it doesn't mean that you can afford to make the payments.

Before you ask anyone anything, ask yourselves, what can I afford?

Start with your current rent, then determine what additional income you could add to it.

Are you saving money each month? Do you have long term bills being paid off?

Are you getting a raise?

Is there something your willing to give up that would save money? Are you really willing to give up anything?

Now that you've come up with your own number you need to ask yourself the questions no professional legally can. Do you really want to buy a home with someone you're not married to? Are you going to stay married? Mortgages are for 15, 30 or even 40 years, relationships are from now until the next argument, marriages sadly often are not much longer.

How would you make the mortgage payments if one of you moved out?

What if by plan or happenstance one of you should get pregnant? Would you be able to make the payments during and after pregnancy?

Now is the time to talk to the loan pro, and ask the proper question. "We can afford $2,500.00 per month principal and interest (the loan payment) taxes and insurance, what's the best program we qualify for and how much can we buy with our down payment and a new loan?

Your Loan Originator can't legally deny you any loan you qualify for, don't blame them if you can't afford the monthly payment!

Don't blame your REALTOR® they legally must sell you any home you want and can qualify for.

Only you can decided what you can afford! 

The Loan Originator Pre-Approves the you for the maximum loan amount, not what you can afford, what you qualify for under the scenario submitted,(Interest rate, taxes, Insurance, HOA, et. al.) not a range. HGTV would have you believe that it's easy to get another 5, 10, 15, 20,... 50% added to the loan amount, it's not!

You, the consumer can with the help of your Loan Originator set your own "Price Range" based on the payment amount you're comfortable making. The REALTOR® can set a "Price Range" based on the amenities and location, location, location. But, all the Loan Originator can do is set the maximum!

As a first time buyer you need to know that qualifying is totally different than living comfortably with a loan/home! No REALTOR® or Loan Originator can determine what you will be comfortable with.

You, the Consumer should look at your current housing expense and compare it to the projected expense your Loan Originator can provide and ask where the extra (If needed) is going to come from.

Approvals are based on averages, average lemmings buying homes with out considering what they can comfortably afford explains more about the problems you've been misinformed about that any thing else!

(Sorry George! If you'll forgive me I'll wave the advertising fees.)

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Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

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Comments(14)

Joe Lane Richland
Kennewick Richland (and West) Pasco WA Homes For Sale - Richland, WA
WA Realtor, 509.438.9344 www.LaneRealEstateTeam.com

"Only you can decide what you can afford!"

Exactly!  Having others tell us what we can afford is what got most of American home buyers in trouble (and are still in trouble).

What kills me is when I go buy a car and they tell me what payment I can afford.  Like as if paying cash is completely out of the realm of possibilities. 

Great post William!  :)

May 18, 2011 11:27 AM
Gary Woltal
Keller Williams Realty - Flower Mound, TX
Assoc. Broker Realtor SFR Dallas Ft. Worth

The how much you can afford question has really tightened up with the ratios these days Bill from what it was a few years ago. Then again you don't have to max out at that level either.

May 18, 2011 11:29 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thanks Joe!

Bill

May 18, 2011 11:43 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Gary,

I'm current!

Even with lower ratios than we had many if not most may find themselves qualified for more than they can comfortably pay!

"you don't have to max out at that level either." That's my point, but no more than your comfortable with.

 

Bill

May 18, 2011 11:46 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Bill there is nothing to forgive and I hope you don't mind I will go in paste my response to you just a few minutes ago on my blog.

"I understand what you are saying, but let me explain what I mean when I say Price Range.  I view the Price Range as the Sales Price between $1.00 up to the Purchase Price that I Pre-Approve them up to.  I completely agree with your second comment "that qualifying is totally different than living comfortably with a loan/home", and I covered that in my third blog "First Time Homebuyer Seminars ................ Pre-Approval Process"  that is why I did not go into more detail on that here."

I stress the points that you made here about the only person that truly know what they can afford is the Buyer.  I repeat that monthly payment to the Buyer over and over again especially if I think that they are getting in over their head,  But the bottom line is what you said in this statement "Your Loan Originator can't legally deny you any loan you qualify for, don't blame them if you can't afford the monthly payment".

May 18, 2011 02:54 PM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

Sometimes looking in the mirror and seeing the reality is difficult when the mortgage originator or loan officer is blocking your view.

May 18, 2011 05:16 PM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Bill - first, its not a stupid question, just a question that opens up the discussion, and hopefully that discussion leads from qualifying to affording. A responsible real estate agent and lender should be leading that discussion. The buyer should be making that decision, informed.

May 19, 2011 02:22 AM
Lois Davies
Century 21 Birchwood Realty, Inc. - Cape Coral, FL
Cape Coral & SW Florida

Customers do mix up the terms, they equate them as meaning the same thing.  As agents I don't think we help them make the distinction as well as we should.

May 19, 2011 03:15 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

George,

We don't have a problem.

Bill

May 19, 2011 03:52 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Melissa,

It's hard to believe any one over shadowing you!

One of my frequent suggestions is that buyer's agent should attend the pre-qual.

You have to be looking before any one can bloct your view.

Bill

May 19, 2011 03:58 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Mike,

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Lenders don't provid a "Price Range!"

REALTORS can provid a price range that will have the amanties and location the buyer wants.

"hopefully that discussion leads from qualifying to affording"  Amen.

" A responsible real estate agent and lender should be leading that discussion. The buyer should be making that decision, informed."  Amen! Hopefully togeather!

Bill

 

May 19, 2011 04:07 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Lois,

The terms we use are the problem.

Bill

May 19, 2011 04:09 AM
Bill Gassett
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Hopkinton, MA
Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate

The problem with consumers today is that they want to believe they can afford way more than they can!

May 24, 2011 12:18 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Bill Mr G,

It's not just today! That's always been the case. I call it optimistic selective hearing.

The LO says "you can afford a $220,000 house" then the client tells the agent "I can afford about a quarter million" and the agent hears "A $250,000 with a twenty percent down payment that's $312,500!" And off they go to lala land!

Bill

May 24, 2011 03:21 AM