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Real Estate Signs Restrictions | Atlanta Home Owners Associations Unwittingly Restrict Home Sales

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Atlanta Real Estate SignsHomeowners (HOA) restriction on real estate signage is more often than not...counterproductive. I think that in the HOA's infinite lack of wisdom they enact rulings for the sake of rulings. However, very little thought is given to the ramifications of their actions, nor are the HOA's actions ever reviewed a few months or a year down the line and amended to correct or address the new issues they created. Bottom line is that when an HOA enacts new rulings, there is an impact upon all homeowners. That impact may also limit the property owners rights, and diminish or cap the appreciation rates of community home sales. Some of these restrictions involve "For Sale Signs!" The issues are uniformity of appearance, placement of signage, or no signage allowed. There is more to think about than "Yea or Nay" when it comes to a vote on the issues an HOA enacts. Let's look at three scenarios:

  1. Branded signage (same sign designs customized to a particular subdivision.
  2. No Signage allowed!
  3. Signage Placement

Branded Signage - unique to subdivision. This creates a hard ship on really successful agents that list and sell in many subdivisions. The costs and the logistics of storing signage that cannot be used anywhere else is a total waste of marketing resources. One could argue the case for lower commissions, but in some subdivisions in Atlanta a sign could run over $150. Then it has to be professionally installed by the sign company for an additional $25-$45. A professional agent should ask the seller if there are any plans or proposals for the HOA to change allowed real estate signage or restrict usage in the foreseeable future. If so, and changes in signage will be born by the seller. The reality is that you may end up with a mediocre agent, because the pros do not want to keep investing in unique marketing materials.

No Signage. No signage allowed is not good! No signage = no sales as far as I am concerned. The head of a very visible town house community with a great location in Atlanta was boasting to me once that they loved the fact that no signs were allowed in their community. I answered, "That's fine as long as you do not mind the loss of appreciation!" They had no idea what I was talking about. Similar homes located nearby with half the square footage sold in days instead of in years as in the subdivision in question. HOA's make a fatal mistake of not equating real estate signage with successful marketing exposure. A sign will not do the entire sale for the listing agent, but it is an important component. The problem in this particular Atlanta luxury town home community was that the subdivision was highly visible and with a great location, but it always appeared that nothing was for sale. On this one, the reality was quite the opposite, in fact they had tons of inventory and could not give them away! No one knew anything was for sale.

Restriction on Real Estate Signage Placement. Another item I've come across over the years is in an Atlanta new homes subdivision with a HOA that is still run by the builder. When home sales of new homes contract, many builders change the Covenants Codes and Restrictions CC&R's about where signage can be placed or not placed. At first glance it sounds good, but future home owners will never stop to think this one through either. Sometimes, it is also akin to not having any sign! It is hard to place a "For Sale Sign in an upstairs window where no passerby will ever see it! What residents in the subdivision never ask, is "Why did the builder do this?" The reason the builder has implemented the changes is because their own sales have softened now that they are competing with resale's from home owners that are undercutting the builders most recent price increases. So there real attempt is to thwart the sale of resales at the owners expense! 

Sometimes youcannot help but stop and think, why would someone want to impose this type of burden on anyone else?  It only makes sense if your brother-in-law owns a sign shop that needs the work!

Jim Crawford

 

 

 

 

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Gary Smith
Agent Marketing Today - Commerce Township, MI

Jim, We have some of those here too. A few will allow signs at the Street, but most will not allow any sign, even in the window. With the glut of homes, some home sellers are simply saying take me to court or fine me. I want a sign in the window.

Don't forget about gated communities with gate cards. Most consumers are interested but cannot drive by to look at homes they find online. Too many homes on the market, they just say next.

Jan 01, 2008 05:24 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Gary Smith, Realtor®  Ah you got me started on another topic with Gate Cards and control of sales!  Have to go through sales office?
Jan 01, 2008 05:45 AM
Hank Roeters
Platinum Partners Realtors - Darien, IL
We have several Town Home communities that prohibit signs. I haven't noticed any increase in DOM, or any less appreciation. That just proves that real estate is local.
Jan 01, 2008 07:17 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Hank Roeters  Sometimes you have to look a little deeper.   It's there!  Expireds, with drawns, list price to sales price ratio and more.
Jan 01, 2008 07:56 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate
We have the same problem in some of our subdivisions. I understand the reasoning of some of the subdivisions, but they take it to an extreme.
Jan 01, 2008 08:58 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach REALTOR®)  I sometimes think it is the difference of a well managed HOA and one that is not.  They have't a clue! 
Jan 01, 2008 09:54 AM
Vanessa Stalets
RE/MAX Elite - Brentwood, TN
REALTOR, Brentwood TN Homes, Real Estate
Jim I am so with you on this. I have had HOA's take my signs, my pointers etc. How in the "bleep" can I sell a house in a cul de sac for instance when I cannot place a sigh in the yard or put directionals out? Making a hard job harder it seems...
Jan 01, 2008 10:03 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Brentwood Real Estate- Vanessa Stalets  Same here.  They can threaten fines, and penalties, remove directionals signs and more.
Jan 01, 2008 10:08 AM
Herb Hamilton
RE/MAX Preferred Inc. Realtors - Portland, OR
Real Estate Broker ,CDPE, Downtown Portland

Sometimes the creation of Rules is just done by people who are thinking strictly of themselves. The " I have mine " attitude.

Often times the very thing that seems to attract Buyer's become a pain in the back side when they become the Seller. Again it is just another example how people look towards there own needs frist in almost every single case.

As real estate agents, we see both sides of the issue. Hence it is more in our nature to see the positive and negative aspects.

Jan 01, 2008 02:11 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Downtown Portland Real Estate Broker~Herb Hamilton  Herb I fully agree.  Also, that is a very true statement from experience!  Ellen and I work both listings, and buyers... we have a panoramic view of the events taking place.  One client of ours was threatened to be fined by her HOA if she put the real estate sign in the window!  Her comments?  "Let them sue me!"

Jan 01, 2008 03:51 PM
Sarah Nopp
South Sound, WA

This reminds me of the time I followed a minivan down the road-

the driver would slow down every 1/4 mile or so and a 12 year old kid would jump out and grab any real estate sign and toss it in the back. They were doing this along a busy road in the County (not city limits) and the signs were for a subdivision repped by an agent in MY office!

So of course I called the agent and told her- She just laughed.
Apparently the county had hired this person to take down the directionals! She thanked me for the call and said it was not really an issue- the builder knew the score and would just put up more tomorrow.

I still shake my head over that.

Jan 01, 2008 04:46 PM
Tina Merritt
Nest Realty - Blacksburg, VA
Virginia Real Estate
My parents live in a village in NY with no signage restrictions.  I have to say that it looks rather nice not having any signs of any kind anywhere.  It's a village ordinance so an HOA is not involved.  If you put up a sign, you are breaking the law and can be fined and I suppose, hauled off to jail.  It's not really an issue because no one is allowed to have signs and it has been this way for many years.  The agents love it.  Basically, if you want to know what is for sale, you have to contact a village agent.
Jan 01, 2008 10:34 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

The only time it makes any sense to restrict signage is in gated communities.  Even then, visitors to residents might want to drive around to see what's for sale. 

Sign restrictions never make any sense beyond size and making sure that the sign riders aren't flapping in the wind.

Jan 01, 2008 11:53 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Sarah Nopp, REALTOR(R), CRS. RE/MAX Four Seasons, Olympia WA   LOL!  Reminds me of a similar story of glass and windows being broke out in a public library.  They finally figured out it was the glazier making more business for himself.
Jan 02, 2008 12:37 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Tina Merritt (Realtor, Virginia Beach)  I can underestand that scenario also.  Across the board is fair!  The problem is here the builder are not restricted if you are in a community still being built.  No one ever puts together 2+2=
Jan 02, 2008 12:54 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

Homefinders, Real Estate in MD & VA, Lenn Harley, Broker, New & Resale HomesLOL!  I agree.  When I was reading your response I was hit by a funny thought.  In gated country clubs you must use the most expensive of signs!  Ego signs I call them!  However it goes right over the owners head that it is a gated community and the pub;ic is not allowed to drive through without a real estate agent.

Jan 02, 2008 12:57 AM
Herb Hamilton
RE/MAX Preferred Inc. Realtors - Portland, OR
Real Estate Broker ,CDPE, Downtown Portland
While crusing through the comments again, I was struck by Tina Merritt's comment. Perhaps the Village could teach a lesson to the City. Instead of bemoaning the lost opportunity of a Sign we could be looking at an opportunity for business. Things that make you say " Hmmmmmm ".
Jan 02, 2008 07:06 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA
Downtown Portland Real Estate Broker~Herb Hamilton  I agree.  But if imposed should be across the board no exceptions!
Jan 02, 2008 07:47 AM