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Ask An Ambassador: What Happened To ActiveRain's Google Juice?

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Real Estate Agent with Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com SAL.2002007747

There's a legend that once upon a time (with apologies to the Brothers Grimm) that you could write a post here in the Rain, it would index within moments and you'd be on Page 1 of Google with a snap of the fingers! 

Now maybe those magic beans really existed, or maybe they didn't.  I know I often hear comments in this community that the Google Juice just isn't what it used to be.  And it probably isn't, but for a host of reasons some of which may be attributable to ActiveRain and some of which have nothing to do with anything management could do.

 

So let's dig a bit deeper, what happened?

 

First of all, blogging has never been easier, at least for those agents that WANT to blog.

We've been actively involved in this community for about 10 years.  When we first started, the opportunities to blog were fairly limited.  You could pay someone big bucks to build a custom site (uh..nope), or you could find a place like ActiveRain that made it pretty easy.  Over time, the ability to blog has gotten cheaper and more plentiful.  Set up a Wordpress site (or equivalent), blog and not be side by side with your local competition.  And you're also not side by side with content that dilutes the real estate message.

 

Attention spans have gotten shorter (or so I'm told).

Google is saying "give me 3000 words" and people are saying "give me 147 characters".  The long form work makes it harder and harder to keep people engaged.

 

Other forms of social media draw attention away from your blog.

10 years ago, Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, etc. either didn't exist or had just gotten started.  Your blog wasn't competing with them for attention.

 

ActiveRain is not an SEO platform.

Don't ask me to find the quote from Bob Stewart, but awhile back he dropped this nugget when someone was complaining about deterioration of SEO:  "ActiveRain is a social community.  Any SEO you get is just a perk".  That's not a literal quote, but the gist of the comment. 

ActiveRain is NOT trying to keep up with Google's latest algorithms or anything else to optimize SEO.  The mission here is to keep the lights on, let agents find each other and learn, and maybe not officially, give Mr. Kinney a huge database of agents to sell Brivity and other products to.

The 800 pound gorillas.

Once upon a time, your blog wasn't competing with Zillow, Trulia, Realtor.com, etc. for web placement.  Guess who owns the short tails?  The gorillas with millions to spend on websites, advertising and everything else that comes along with running the portals.  They have the consumer eyeballs and you've got an uphill battle if you want to go against their paid and organic search results.  Long tails is where you can still beat them if you're willing to do the work.

 

Google doesn't like your content.

Google (and Bing) wants to sell ads and the best way to do that is provide solid answers for consumer questions.  If your blog posts don't fit the definition of what Google and The Bots deem to be what the consumer wants, you're going to be buried so many pages back that you might as well turn your phone into a paperweight.  It's key to write what the consumer wants and not what YOU want to write (assuming you're blogging for business and not just for fun).

 

There may be a lot more to it.  I'm not a tech guru or SEO guru.  I know what works for me and I blog to implement that plan and drive results.  Some days I do better than others of sticking to that plan. 

What I do know is if I want results, it's up to me.  I have no expectation that anything significant will happen to boost this community's results with the search engines.  That costs more money than management will be willing to spend. 

Status quo is the name of the game, so evaluate what you want and how to get there.

 

Until next Tuesday, Ask An Ambassador if you need help.

Bill & Liz aka BLiz

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Comments(43)

John H. Mason
Harry Norman, Realtors - Cumming, GA
Associate Broker - Realtor; Atlanta Georgia

Interesting.  I had just asked our corporate marketing team last month what was going on with the SEO reductions from activerain....thanks for the update!

Dec 18, 2019 12:28 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

Depending on what you're looking at for stats, some years back AR changed the way Views were calculated, so you might have a drop from that.

Dec 18, 2019 01:59 PM
John Henry, Florida Architect
John Henry Masterworks Design International, Inc. - Orlando, FL
Residential Architect, Luxury Custom Home Design

Thanks for the update, Bill.  Things get more and more difficult for the little guy who is trying to be found online.  The Google algorithm is King.  I heard about the AR Juice awhile back and many of my articles posted here are listed.  I find that images are especially catalogued by Google and help me very much.

Dec 18, 2019 01:39 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

Videos, maps, pix, they all help give a little extra ooomph to a post.

Dec 18, 2019 02:00 PM
Keith McMullin
Port Aransas Realty - Port Aransas, TX
Port Aransas Real Estate

Great post and very interesting/insightful comments.  I still see AR posts in Google search results.  As stated in comments, I still see backlinks and search results particulary for long tail terms.  As is often the case with SEO, it is difficult to precisely quantify the impact of AR posts...or anything else for that matter.  I'm old school and just continue with a shotgun approach and hope for the best.

Dec 18, 2019 01:57 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

We still get placed, and AR is still an integral part of driving traffic to our Wordpress IDX pages.  I've got enough content I could probably take a long sabbatical with little to no harm, but why risk it?

Dec 18, 2019 02:01 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

I am SO happy to see the response to this post, Bill! Of course, you know I agree and would add one thing. 

Back in the day when the phone rang within the first 30 minutes and ZTR had no idea how powerful this platform (or blogging) was, we had a MASSIVE membership. With all of the posts being fed into the search engines every single day, the site HAD to rank! We were the EXPERTS in the eyes of Google and every other search engine. 

Now, in 2019, we do not have the 'support' (on the backend of AR) and we, as a platform, are fighting an uphill battle with limited 'troops' - against the now, ever-powerful, ZTR.

Dec 18, 2019 10:09 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS

And, I further agree - it's like a FB group - primarily social. However, we can, and many of us do, post blogs here and then link to them on other social media sites!


I miss Jonathan...and Kerrie....and wish Bob had more time for us too! We're not the money-maker we used to be so, I totally 'get' the economic reasons to abandon the site.

Dec 18, 2019 10:12 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

And that's another aspect of it.  How many of the really solid bloggers either totally went to WP or some other venue?  I now Michael Thornton used to have a monthly review of posts made.  I wonder how the quantity would compare today?  Especially if the mega-quantity bloggers were removed from the numbers?

Dec 19, 2019 11:44 AM
Brian England
Ambrose Realty Management LLC - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

Being that social media is such a big thing today, I often share my posts from AR on my social media to hopefully reach more people.

Dec 19, 2019 06:38 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

It certainly can't hurt to do so.

Dec 19, 2019 11:45 AM
Gail Robinson
William Raveis Real Estate - Southport, CT
CRS, GRI, e-PRO Fairfield County, CT

I paid $2,500 to have my first blog set up in 2006 then replaced it a few years later with a WordPress site I created myself in a weekend, so the barrier to entry into blogging dropped after a short period where we had the blogging world almost to ourselves.

Add the power of Zillow and the rest to dominate page one and it was inevitable that our own blog posts from our WordPress sites would no longer be on page 1 of a Google search, but not inevitable for AR.

Thank you for sharing some insights into why this occurred.

Dec 19, 2019 07:02 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

When I first got here I'd have had no clue how to set up and run a WP site.   After some time here and learning, it was viable. 

Dec 19, 2019 11:45 AM
Margaret Goss
@Properties - Winnetka, IL
Chicago's North Shore & Winnetka Real Estate

Well said. I don't see my posts ranking high, but I have a few specific long-tailed posts about condo buildings that get a lot of attention.  The idea of blogging with long-tail terms (which I learned on AR) is genius for outsmarting the big boys.

Dec 19, 2019 08:00 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Some of our subdivision posts still do well.  Going long tail is IMO our only hope for blog posts getting found.

Dec 19, 2019 11:46 AM
John Henry, Florida Architect

Margaret, how do you blog on AR with long tail terms?


Thanks, Margaret Goss 

Jan 16, 2020 07:24 AM
Wayne L. Brown
Franklin Advantage Inc. - Alpine, CA

Liz and Bill

Great post. Far from a Tech expert, so articles like this are extremely helpful.

Always changes to keep up with.

Thank you for sharing this information.

 

Merry Christmas

Dec 19, 2019 09:41 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Merry Christmas to you too!

Dec 19, 2019 11:46 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Hi Bill- you did it again and offered an excellent answer and explanation to the whole ActiveRain Google juice thing. Many of us who have been here for years are now here for the community. Write your posts, link to your other web presence...that's what I see many doing. 

Dec 19, 2019 11:34 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

AR remains a part of our strategy.  More digital breadcrumbs to lead back to us.

Dec 19, 2019 11:47 AM
John Slocum
Premiere Property Group, LLC - Vancouver Washington - Vancouver, WA
Broker, SFR - Vancouver WA Real Estate

Hi Bill, there indeed was a day in the misty-past when those magic SEO beans existed, and my AR posts would be indexed almost immediately - what fun! Part of what I, and I'm certain others did at the time (as I learned about it on AR), was to build and feed back-links to my AR blog's address; and register the AR blog anywhere it could be registered (no different than what you'd do with your own WP site).

Building up my AR blog's SEO juice greatly helped amp-up the AR juice that was sent to my main HTML website.

To me the downhill slide for AR's SEO came in the form of Trulia's acquisition from the original owners of AR; and the discarding of the Localism companion site. The Trulia owners did something to de-tune the AR performance, and I think too that many members departed from AR not wanting to "contribute" to Trulia. Zillow's purchase of Trulia made the situation worse if anything.

The loss of Localism was sad but understandable in that it was a nice but expensive experiment, and the owners did not have a way to monetize the effort adequately. However, our main websites lost many great backlinks with the demise of Localism.

Thanks for a great post!

 

 

 

 

Dec 19, 2019 05:24 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

I know our Google alerts used to fire back faster.  We still index, but not as fast.

Too bad so many members didn't value the community more than the "I can't live with Trulia/Zillow" aspect.

Dec 19, 2019 07:30 PM
Kona Home Team (LUVA LLC) Lance Owens (RB-24133)
Kona Home Team (luva llc) - Kailua-Kona, HI
2024 Real Estate Expert - Hawaii Island

I so remember those days, back in 2007 I believe was my first blog. I could be found within an hour or 2, on page 1 ! 
Quick story, we had the world series of marlin fishing happening (HIBT) so I woke up early to the roar of the boat motors, when the hit the starting gun, so I wrote a blog about buying a home in Hawaii close enough to the ocean to hear/see the boats, and led into a listing that fit the bill. By lunch I got a call from a guy looking for one of the captains on the boat, the captian had 160 pound tuna and was going to give it to him. He got to the peir and couldnt find the guy, So he googled "HIBT Tournament" I came up #1, Page 1 , so he called me - lol 

 

Dec 19, 2019 05:55 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

What works, works!  You hit the long tail results.

Dec 19, 2019 07:30 PM
Kona Home Team (LUVA LLC) Lance Owens (RB-24133)
Kona Home Team (luva llc) - Kailua-Kona, HI
2024 Real Estate Expert - Hawaii Island

Cant believe I found that blog still out there, so fast 

Dec 19, 2019 05:59 PM
Barbara Michaluk
Weichert Realtors | Phone Direct 240-506-2434 | 301-681-0550 office - Silver Spring, MD
Leisure World Specialist / Full Service REALTOR

You are right Bill! Times have changed with google juice, but there's still plenty of reasons to post and interact on AR. Niche marketing is the way to be found.

Dec 20, 2019 03:42 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Definitely still plenty of reasons for me to be here.

Dec 24, 2019 02:06 PM
Mimi Foster
Falcon Property Company - Colorado Springs, CO
Voted Colorado Springs Best Realtor

What a timely, true, and poignant post. Many of us have learned so much from being here, and many of us know that it's not what it used to be. I so appreciate the time and thought you put into this post.

Dec 20, 2019 05:51 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Things have certainly changed, some good, some bad.  The pros still outweigh the cons for me.

Dec 24, 2019 02:06 PM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Great Post ! The Take Away that's most important is "We can still Rank with LONG TAIL /very specific type of posts ! We should have a Contest emphasis on Best Long Tails in Jan and Feb. (to teach the Newbies)

Dec 20, 2019 06:40 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Long tails still work for me and are the best source of generating consumer calls.

Dec 24, 2019 02:07 PM
Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

No doubt times have changed and they will continue to again and again. There is so much to learn -- for now -- we have many choices of how we want to be noticed.  

Dec 20, 2019 06:59 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

we just have to find the strategies that work for us.

Dec 24, 2019 02:07 PM
M.C. Dwyer
Melody Russell Team at eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Felton, CA
MC Dwyer-Santa Cruz Mountains Property Specialist

 

Thanks for the post Liz and Bill Spear .    I myself posted a question about this recently.   Although I initially joined for the 'juice,'  I appreciate the opportunity to learn, and network, so I'm sticking around.

Dec 20, 2019 09:34 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

The side perks are at least as valuable as any post placement.

Dec 24, 2019 02:07 PM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

The main link for our profile changed and a lot of my old posts were lost due to Trulia, then Zillow... purchases.  I used to have the same quick presence, but not anymore.  I still come back and love seeing familiar faces and reading posts when I can.  You guys are distant friends and I love to read your posts!

Dec 20, 2019 02:50 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

Fortunately most of my links were pushing to our WP IDX pages, although I had to remap all of those when we needed a new subdomain.

Dec 24, 2019 02:08 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

With so many realtors here, I would think that more would get the concept of owning vs renting.  It's really astonishing.

 

Get your own site (I love wordpress) that you own and that you can become an authority on and be known for you own key words.  Learn SEO and write amazing articles that are great for your niche target and optimized for Google. Build backlinks (AR can help).

 

That's it.  It's pretty simple.

 

supplement on here.  use this as a community and learnng platform.

 

Seriously, put your realtor hat on.  this should be in your blood.

Dec 20, 2019 03:52 PM
Liz and Bill Spear

Sometimes it's a matter of convenience, or for some, the need to know they're being noticed. 

Dec 24, 2019 02:09 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

well hell, I'm just throughly disappointed about that SEO remark. Overall you are correct that 'in the beginning', we had little competition. Now,it's everywhere! I am lucky that most agents in my area still do not blog but I still can't past the big 3.

Dec 24, 2019 09:55 AM
Liz and Bill Spear

Sometimes I see the big 3 there, but for a false positive.  "Homes with patios" rather than "patio homes". 

Dec 24, 2019 02:09 PM